Putin offers more talks with West to defuse Ukraine tensions

“Imagine that Ukraine becomes a NATO member and launches those military operations,” Putin said. “Should we fight NATO then? Has anyone thought about it?”

Let me think? Umm, no. So, yeah somebody has thought of that.

You shouldn't just start random wars. If Ukraine wants to join NATO, that is Ukraine's sovereign choice. Not Putin's.

He argued that the U.S. and its allies have ignored the principle that the security of one nation should not be strengthened at the expense of others, while insisting on every nation's right to choose alliances.

We didn't ignore it. We told him it wasn't up for negotiation from the start. Putin gets no say in whether or not Ukraine joins NATO.

We didn't ignore it. We told him it wasn't up for negotiation from the start. Putin gets no say in whether or not Ukraine joins NATO.

True, but the West can’t dictate or will go the distance that Russia will if Putin thinks NATO is encroaching close to his territory and feels threatened by them and the US. The same thing was said in 2014 and Putin still went into Crimea and now that China is backing Russia more these days. The US on its part needs to think this true and ask itself, what’s in it for the US getting into a possible war with Russia and even China potentially.

The US on its part needs to think this true and ask itself, what’s in it for the US getting into a possible war with Russia and even China potentially.

No surprise that the followers of the weakest president in American history advocate weakness, ignore human right abuses and are ready to surrender to Russia and China.

Thankfully the weak guy lost, otherwise we might have the Russian flag flying in Washington today!!!

Putin met his match. The United States Of America + NATO. Here we are!

“I hope that we will eventually find a solution, although we realize that it's not going to be easy,” Putin said amid a continuing buildup of an estimated 100,000 Russian troops near Ukraine that fueled Western fear of an invasion.

Solution to what, a troop build up by the pathetic coward putin???

He has realized an invasion is not an easy option for him and the west has called his bluff.

trump might have been putin’s puppy but America is not.

That’s what is driving putin into talks now!!!!

The President of the Ukraine himself said that this is much ado about nothing and that no invasion is imminent.

The only war happening is between the right and left on American TV.

No more talks! Withdraw the money from your Swiss bank accounts now and then use the hypersonic missiles the fascists admit they have no defence against.

You shouldn't just start random wars. 

Tell that to the USA. Starting random wars is a regular exercise for them.

No surprise that the followers of the weakest president in American history advocate weakness, ignore human right abuses and are ready to surrender to Russia and China.

That’s why we worry about Biden.

Thankfully the weak guy lost,

Then if that were true Putin wouldn’t be building up troop presence along the Ukrainian border, looks like a potential 2014 replay.

Solution to what, a troop build up by the pathetic coward putin??? He has realized an invasion is not an easy option for him and the west has called his bluff."

Righty oh...so from the beginning Putin said there will be no invasion, Lavrov has said it, Ukraine president said it....but now you say NATO called his bluff ? What bluff exactly ? Russia may be conducting huge military war games near Ukraine border but thats all they were doing from the start. On their soil.

Biden needs to get people to believe Russia is actually going to invade so that he can be the “hero” who stopped it.

That’s why he keeps instigating this.

The only thing NATO is a threat to is Putin himself. He fears he can't keep using the Russian army as a bargaining chip to keep bullying and destabilizing the countries in the region anymore.

If the Ukraine Gov continually disregards peace agreements with Russia by continually arming themselves then Russia will have little choice in taking the Russian areas of Ukraine and installing a new border.

When Kiev was shelling and bombing these people from the air Russia had to come in and secure these areas before.

Also the democratic sovereignty of these people should be respected. If they do not want to be part of Ukraine then so be it.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that the U.S. and its allies have ignored Russia’s top security demands but added that Moscow remains open to more talks with the West on easing soaring tensions over Ukraine.

One more example of the effectiveness of US diplomacy under the Biden administration. If Trump was still in office we'd have signed a "surrender agreement" with Putin just like he did with the Taliban...

Good for the US, Western democracies, and NATO.....bad for Putin and all his far-right US fan-boys...

Just ask Tucker...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-sen-james-risch-criticizes-tucker-carlsons-pro-russia-rhetoric-says-we-side-with-democracies

One more example of the effectiveness of US diplomacy under the Biden administration.

So why is the troop buildup increasing?

If Trump was still in office we'd have signed a "surrender agreement"

…and yet, the last 4 years we didn’t have a President that was ready to jump into an unnecessary war, had that happened he would have rightly been labeled a warmonger.

with Putin just like he did with the Taliban...

Impossible as Biden was and is the current President. Ask the 13 soldiers that were killed last year who they blame. Every single parent blames the current President

Good for the US, Western democracies, and NATO.....bad for Putin and all his far-right US fan-boys...

Just ask Tucker...

No, Tucker was right and the upside and benefit going to war with Russia for the US is? It helps us how?

Weak US President, obviously. Plus Germany needs that pipeline so he know there won’t support NATO on the sanctions. Perfect time.

When Putin takes the big plunge and invades Ukraine, then everybody must unite and turn their backs on Russia. If China let's Russia play in its sandbox, then everybody should treat China like a partner in crime and also apply economic sanctions to China.

If you want to respect your neighbors, then you're welcome in the free market of the world. However, if your interests are attacking and invading peaceful neighboring countries, then there's no place for you. You are something alien and something unwelcome.

please stop to spread this warmongering US propaganda.

no one-again-no one is going to attack Ukraine.

ukarine interanl problems are ukrainian ones and its not business of USA or NATO at all.

USA stop to meddle in ukrainian internal issues.

someone pls say to that "boss" in White House that he need to stop this asap.

ukraine people does not want war,Russia does not war.

war is planned and very wanted by US weapon makers lobby only and fake news and lies are spred by related media outlets.

once again-there is no danger of any attack against Ukraine from Russia.pls get it right now.and stop all of this.

Imagine that Ukraine becomes a NATO member and launches those military operations,” Putin said. “Should we fight NATO then? Has anyone thought about it?”

NATO's collective defense only comes into effect if a member nation is attacked. If Ukraine ups and attacks Russia it is on it's own. Putin knows this.

He is worried that because Russia stole Ukrainian territory that at some point a NATO with Ukraine in it will want Ukraine's territory back.

please stop to spread this warmongering US propaganda.

no one-again-no one is going to attack Ukraine.

Since Russia has taken unusual actions of massing troops near a border, for many months, and has even sent blood supplies to those units, they bring speculation upon themselves. No Propaghanda about this, it is reports and guessing what Putin will do. To stop such talk needs only one thing, the massed troops back in their barracks. Putin keeps this going, keeping pressure on the west and Ukraine in the hopes something will crack and give an advantage to Russia.

something about a certain someone still “Making America Great.”

How is this other person involved?

nothing happened at all until he was out of office and new, weak guy appeared on the world stage.

if that guy was on Putin side couldn’t he have just let Putin have Ukraine? So why only now Putin is trying this?

Putin pushed all his chips in hoping the other players would fold.

Putin just blinked.

The President of the Ukraine himself said that this is much ado about nothing and that no invasion is imminent.

The only war happening is between the right and left on American TV.

Ukraine have war from 2014

That’s why we worry about Biden.

I am sure the followers of the former guy worry about Biden, he’s made them look really bad.

Then if that were true Putin wouldn’t be building up troop presence along the Ukrainian border, looks like a potential 2014 replay.

Great you got the point, Putin threatens America when he doesn’t have a puppy in the WH.

The followers of the former guy, the one who tried to overthrow democracy, support putin, someone who has made a joke of democracy.

The followers of the former guy are fine with China imprisonment and killing of Uyghurs, these are the same people who have no problems with minorities in America getting attacked and killed.

No surprise at all.

that Putin’s timing was a deliberate attempt to embarrass Biden going in to midterms, as it is abundantly clear he wants you guys in charge.

Why? What proof do you have? So that he can take over Ukraine like he didn’t do in the 4 years he supposedly could have just told Trump he wanted it?

Biden needed no further help in embarrassing himself before the midterms. That ship sailed long ago and Putin wasn’t involved.

Tucker was right and the upside and benefit going to war with Russia for the US is? It helps us how?

I remember how you lambasted Obama for not going to war with Russia over its annexation of Crimea. What (or who) changed your stance on the use of American military force?

I remember how you lambasted Obama for not going to war with Russia over its annexation of Crimea.

I wanted Obama to send in aid to the people of Crimea instead of blankets and was very critical of that.

What (or who) changed your stance on the use of American military force?

Iraq had a lot to do with that.

I didnt realize 2014 was a long time ago.

Id say 8 years is a long time.

However, Ukraine applied for Nato membership in 2008. Nice try, though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations

Ukraine applied for Nato membership in 2008

were they accepted? nah, they werent.

then they are not an ally, until 2014 as I stated.

were they accepted? nah, they werent.

lmao. that's not how this works. Do you know why they werent approved?

The US and Ukraine have been allies since long before 2014. This is just getting sad now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93United_States_relations

Russian President Vladimir Putin and  Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov are insisting/ pledging no Invasion.

Where Military Forces Are Assembling Around Russia and Ukraine

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-ukraine-russia-us-nato-conflict/

The Russian military strength is capable of fight a war, invasion, then occupation.

It is foolhardy/appeasement accepting the word of Russian President Vladimir Putin and  Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

To quote President Vladimir Putin,

“I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia, together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.”

There you have it, whether the Ukraine people or Government agree or not.

But yeah lets ignore a published article called Since When Did Ukraine Become an Important U.S. “Ally?” and just go with the opinion of a person who claimed to not even know the name of the Ukrainian company involved instead.

I wanted Obama to send in aid to the people of Crimea instead of blankets

False. You wanted Obama to take military action against Russia for the Crimea takeover. The blankets thing was about eastern Ukraine.

dont care,

Of course not, we wouldn't want facts to govern our opinions, would we? Here is a fact, Ukraine was never refused admission to Nato, their Russian backed president blocked their entry.

Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.[4][5] Amid the Euromaidan unrest, Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014.[

have worked at Microsoft since 2008 if they didnt hire me.

Silly analogy. The only way to be an employee of a company is to be hired by them. However, Ukraines status as an ally is not dependent on their Nato membership.

False. You wanted Obama to take military action against Russia for the Crimea takeover.

And then I also realized that going to war wasn't in the best interest of the US and felt at the very least that Obama should send in military aid and NOT just blankets, but that is his legacy.

The blankets thing was about eastern Ukraine.

Hmmm....

https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/poroshenko-asks-obama-for-weapons-obtains-blankets/

kurumazaka: unless his goal is to trade recognition of Crimea as “Russia” for leaving Kiev alone.

Ah, interesting. I never thought of that angle.

I really don't know what Putin is doing. My guess is he overplayed his hand. I just don't see the upside for Russia besides pride.

The blankets thing was about eastern Ukraine.

Hmmm....

Not hmmm. The so-called “blankets” issue was not about Crimea. Read your own link.

You changed your stance after Trump became the big man.

Putin doesn't blink, it is not in his nature.

Putin is turning the screw.

Putin has marched his forces to the top of the hill.

Putin will only march them back down again if NATO/US/EU/UK, the global community capitulates to his bidding.

The danger is the timing.

The Russian Government timed this well.

US allies are not singing from the same hymn sheet.

The Pandemic has wrecked unimageable economic damage.

A cost of living crisis, EU energy dependence on Russian gas undeniable.

it make sense to dangle the wests feet over the hot coals

itsonlyrockandroll: Putin is turning the screw.

OK, but why? What does Russia gain that will overcome all of the costs?

Not hmmm. The so-called “blankets” issue was not about Crimea. Read your own link. 

I always do.

“Please understand me correctly. Blankets, night-vision goggles are also important. But one cannot win the war with blankets.” He added: “Even more, we cannot keep the peace with a blanket.”

That comment will live in infamy.

You changed your stance after Trump became the big man.

I was naive back then.

when Putin invaded Crimea at the time you posted numerous times Obama must take military action. You complained about him sending blankets but he also sent other aid.

We went through that already and I cleared the air and I made it clear, relax.

bass4funkToday  11:43 am JST

I always do.

ROFL!!!

*“Please understand me correctly. Blankets, night-vision goggles are also important. But one cannot win the war with blankets.” He added: “*Even more, we cannot keep the peace with a blanket.”

When the Russians shoot at the Ukrainian soldiers how will goggles and blankets help them, unless you’ve developed bullet proof ones???

I was naive back then.

The difference between Naive and Stupid is time!!!

 when Putin invaded Crimea at the time you posted numerous times Obama must take military action.

Again, I cleared that misguided quote for the second time, relax.

You have never posted any reference to the military aid received by Ukraine during Obama's term.

That is not true.

When the Russians shoot at the Ukrainian soldiers how will goggles and blankets help them,

Don't ask me, ask Obama, I wanted to know as well.

Don't ask me, ask Obama, I wanted to know as well.

ROFL, so Obama shouldn’t have sent blankets but Biden should!!!

Naive ages into stupid!!!!

Not a chance in hell Trump would've squared up to Putin. He never had big enough balls and has too much personally invested there.

Putin is panicking a bit but he's the kind of guy who would take Russia (and others) down with him.

ROFL, so Obama shouldn’t have sent blankets but Biden should!!!

Obama should have sent more weapons, but that's in the past, and Crimea is lost. Let's see how long before Ukraine is lost.

Naive ages into stupid!!!!

Notice how Obama and Biden never talk about those days...

when Putin invaded Crimea at the time you posted numerous times Obama must take military action.

We went through that already, and it was clarified.

Provide one post link but you cannot.

Why? I don't need to, Obama is not the issue

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Let's not forget a certain poster who said Obama was weak for not removing Assad with a full military invasion by American troops.

We can probably dumb down the argument by now:

For Trump fans, when a Democrat doesn't attack, he's weak. When a Republican doesn't attack, he's smart.

That's the long and the short of it.

Yet the Biden investment into Ukraine isn’t to be spoken if.

so what did Trump actually get from Russia that can be proven? What did putting demand and get from Trump?

not rhetoric, but real tangible things?

wish I had shares in US military industrial complex.

There will be no WW3. Just Donbas will return to Russia.

what could possibly make Putin think that now is the time to act?

@kurumazaka He has recognized that his visible potential threat of short term deploying 120,000 men military entanglement of the Ukraine could make his chess draw worthless, if as a reaction a massive outbalancing defense armament is now deployed in the Ukraine and Baltic states as an answering chess draw. So suddenly offering more talking and friendly gestures is of course only the honey trap to interrupt that midterm process of deploying more weapons that could then really entangle him more, the pure opposite of what he wanted to reach as a goal. He’s getting older too, not only Biden. Both seniors should quickly leave the chessboard before they make too much further damage.

However, Ukraines status as an ally is not dependent on their Nato membership.

wfich is why they were able to become an ally in 2014.

despite not becoming an ally automatically because they didn’t become a nato member to this date.

Why today in your posts mention him six times?

For reference, which has nothing to do with me, just historical context.

Both seniors should quickly leave the chessboard before they make too much further damage.

Agreed.

You have no idea what they talk about

I beg to differ.

For Trump fans, when a Democrat doesn't attack, he's weak.

Not about attacking, what’s the upside for the US and Dems rarely think about that.

When a Republican doesn't attack, he's smart.

If it’s not aligned with the US interests then, yes.

That's the long and the short of it.

Yes.

BlacklabelToday  12:19 pm JST

Yet the Biden investment into Ukraine isn’t to be spoken if.

Bidens personal investments are out in the open. Trumps are not. You cant keep hiding behind that little nugget of yours.

I think Mr. Putin underestimated NATO unity and probably realizes the sanctions the west and especially the US would impose would do grave damage to the already weak Russian economy. He has, it appears, boxed himself into a corner.

NATO unity

What unity? Watching how the NATO countries cannot make up their minds on anything is making him laugh.