Aftermath of shelling in Donetsk
A woman walks past destroyed structures at a local market following recent shelling in the course of Ukraine-Russia conflict in Donetsk, Ukraine June 19, 2022. REUTERS/Alexander Ermochenko Photo: Reuters/ALEXANDER ERMOCHENKO
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Russia intensifies attacks on key cities in eastern Ukraine

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By Natalia Zinets and Oleksandr Kozhukhar

Ukraine on Monday acknowledged difficulties in fighting in the east of the country as Russian forces captured territory along a frontline river and intensified pressure on two key cities ahead of an EU summit expected to welcome Kyiv's bid to join the bloc.

The governor of the Luhansk region, scene of the heaviest Russian onslaughts in recent weeks, said the situation was "extremely difficult" along the entire front line there as of Monday evening and the Russian army had gathered sufficient reserves to begin a large-scale offensive.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy had predicted Moscow would escalate attacks ahead of the EU summit on Thursday and Friday. In his customary nighttime address to the nation on Monday, he was defiant, while also referring to "difficult" fighting in Luhansk for Sievierodonetsk and its sister city Lysychansk.

"We are defending Lysychansk, Sievierodonetsk, this whole area, the most difficult one. We have the most difficult fighting there," he said. "But we have our strong guys and girls there."

Luhansk governor Serhiy Gaidai said Russian forces controlled most of Sievierodonetsk, apart from the Azot chemical plant, where hundreds of civilians have been sheltering for weeks, and said the road connecting Sievierodonetsk and its sister city Lysychansk to the city of Bakhmut was under constant shell fire.

"Lysychansk has been suffering from massive Russian shelling all day. It is impossible to establish the number of casualties as of yet," Gaidai said, adding that the shelling has been perhaps the heaviest the city had yet experienced.

Even so, the Russians had yet to complete an encirclement of Ukrainian forces, who were inflicting "significant losses" on them, he said.

Moscow's separatist proxies claimed to have captured Toshkivka, a town on the mostly Ukrainian-held western bank of the Siverskyi Donets river, south of Sievierodonetsk.

Gaidai acknowledged a Russian attack on Toshkivka had "had a degree of success" and confirmed Russia's claim to have captured Metyolkine.

Rodion Miroshnik, ambassador of the self-styled Luhansk People's Republic to Russia, said its forces were "moving from the south towards Lysychansk" with firefights erupting in a number of nearby towns.

"The hours to come should bring considerable changes to the balance of forces in the area," he said on Telegram.

Approval by EU leaders for Ukraine to become an official candidate to join the bloc would be marked as a triumph in Kyiv.

It applied for membership just four days after Russia's Feb 24 invasion. It would take years to attain, but for the EU to reach deep into the heart of the former Soviet Union would bring about one of Europe's biggest economic and social transformations since the Cold War.

"I think that's very likely it would happen," U.S. President Joe Biden told reporters on Monday when asked whether he felt Ukraine would become an EU member.

ATTRITIONAL PHASE

The war has entered a brutal attritional phase in recent weeks, with Russian forces concentrating overwhelming artillery firepower on Ukrainian-controlled parts of the Donbas, which Moscow claims on behalf of separatists.

Ukrainian officials reported three civilian deaths in Russian shelling in the Donetsk region on Monday and another three in shelling in the Kharkiv region.

In Odesa, Ukraine's biggest Black Sea port, which is blockaded by the Russian navy, a Russian missile attack destroyed a food warehouse on Monday, Ukraine's military said.

The Russian-installed leader of Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014, said Kyiv had struck Black Sea drilling platforms owned by a Crimean oil company, wounding three people, while seven workers were missing.

Washington and its European allies have provided weapons and financial assistance to Ukraine but avoided direct involvement in the conflict. Some American citizens, however, have volunteered to fight for Ukraine.

CAPTURED AMERICANS

On Monday, the Kremlin said two Americans detained in Ukraine were mercenaries not covered by the Geneva convention who should face responsibility for their actions.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov's comments were the first formal acknowledgment that the two, identified in U.S. reports as Andy Huynh, 27, of Hartselle, Alabama, and Alexander Drueke, 39, of Tuscaloosa, Alabama, were being held.

This month, a separatist court sentenced two Britons and a Moroccan to death after they were caught fighting for Ukraine.

Peskov also said U.S. basketball star Brittney Griner, held in Russia for over two months, was being prosecuted for drug offenses and was not a hostage.

Russian customs officials say vape cartridges containing hashish oil were found in Griner's luggage.

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that a 52-year-old U.S. citizen, Stephen Zabielski, was killed in combat in Ukraine on May 15, according to an obituary published by his family and affirmed by the State Department, making him at least the second American to die in the war.

International concern has focused on trying to restore Ukrainian exports of food, now shut by a de facto Russian blockade. Ukraine is one of the world's leading sources of grain and food oils, leading to fears of global shortages.

Russia blames the food crisis on Western sanctions curbing its own exports.

The war has also disrupted energy markets, including Russian shipments of oil and gas to Europe, still the continent's main source of energy and Moscow's primary income source. Moscow blames EU sanctions for a decline in gas volumes, saying they prevented it from restoring pipeline pumping equipment.

On Monday, U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Washington is in talks with Canada and other allies to further restrict Moscow's energy revenue by imposing a price cap on Russian oil.

Moscow, meanwhile, threatened to retaliate against EU member Lithuania for banning transport of coal, metals, construction materials and advanced technology to Kaliningrad, a Russian outpost on the Baltic Sea surrounded by EU territory.

Russia's foreign ministry summoned Lithuania's top diplomat and demanded Vilnius reverse the "openly hostile" move or Russia "reserves the right to take actions to protect its national interests." Lithuania said EU sanctions obliged it to enforce the ban.

Kaliningrad's governor said Russia's foreign ministry would summon the EU ambassador to Moscow on Tuesday over the ban.

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But Kiev is still winning right?

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Mr. K - it’s not over till it’s over, and even then, it’s still not over.

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Putin has opened up the gates of hell in Ukraine,and Zelensky cannot close it,Ill regard,who started the war, Zelensky should put a strong defense of his country,beside waging a PR war, listen to the BBC man lost a daughter and granddaughter and his surviving daughter got sharapel metal embedded in her brain

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U,what is Ukraine endgame beside the destruction of their country

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It was expected that Russia would stop with Donbass and Kherson and Zaprozhiye. NATO and EU prepared off ramps.

Now it appears that Russia is eyeing at least Odessa and with Belarus making noises, who knows if Russia goes for all of Ukraine?

@Strangerland, Russia has to take Odessa otherwise Odessa would be turned into a US military base regardless of any treaties or anything signed for a ceasefire.

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Yrral - I have answered your question previously - the endgame for Ukraine is to get the invaders off of their soil. This is the same endgame that any other country would have if they are invaded.

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Quercetum - I try not to make too many predictions because I don’t have a crystal ball, but I don’t see Russia taking Odessa anytime soon. Do you?

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The Russians are a stronger power, a bullying neighbor who will always be there, but most Russian grunts are mercenary at heart and don't have any dog in Putin's race to Kyiv and beyond, which means the Russians are eventually gonna get tired of "winning" when the Ukrainians put out some serious weaponry from the West and Ukrainian partisans start to show their teeth relentlessly ripping out the last shred of gaslit "patriotism" from the lackluster Russian ranks.

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,U,do you think Ukrainian should make Russian soldiers like miserable,by attacking that base in Belgorod,where they can go swimming and ice skating,after they finish their making Ukrainian life hell, and got back and chill, should Ukrainain open up the gates of hell on that base in Belgorod, Ukrainain gonna have to attack inside Russia and Belarus to pacify Russia

-12 ( +0 / -12 )

@kipling

why do you want Russia to win so much ?

do you enjoy innocent children being killed & families & homes destroyed ?

these people were living peaceful lives before Russia invaded.

or are you just anti-west ?

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US,the US are supervising the use of these MLRS,these rockets cost 40 thousands dollars ,they Ukrainain are not gonna be using these rockets haphazardly

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Regardless of who wins, it's not a fair fight. It's akin to the local police (Biden/Sullivan/Blinken) telling you (Ukraine) and your neighbour (Russia) to have a fight but the fight is in your house, in front of your women and children. All the damage and injuries will be to your house and famly whilst the neighbour's house is safe and sound and there's a security truck delivering cash to your neighbour everyday whilst you can't get out to buy food.

Does it matter who wins?

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Sh1mon - are you suggesting that the police should get involved?

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At least other news services are starting to realise that the public has had enough pro Ukraine propaganda and are now slowly inserting more reality and facts.

CBC's article on this same subject at least now admitted that Ukrainian forces are suffering high casualties and a high rate of desertion.

Sure it then went on to repeat the rumours and claims that Russia was as bad or worse even printing a supposed "intercepted" telephone call between a Russian soldier and his mother, complaining about his situation, now CBC did not listen to the call this was purely a written translated transcript from Ukrainian intelligence that CBC took at its word as fact and true.

Now imagine doing that with Kremlin released stuff.

Well at least the western reporting is now realising the people no long believe the " Ukraine is winning" despite Russia advancing all the time.

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Sh1mon - are you suggesting that the police should get involved?

The police should have at least protected the women and children. They are sitting back eating donuts instead.

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UChosePoorly

Today 07:20 am JST

Mr. K - it’s not over till it’s over, and even then, it’s still not over

Are you old enough to remember the last time the west ignored the negative side of an "Ally" just because the enemy was the Soviet Union?

Took 10 years and yes the "Ally" beat them.

What happened next?

Oh right the warnings and the negative side we ignored came back with a vengeance and by 2001 it cost more than it was worth and the 20 years of war for us only to lose that war also.

Remember that.

We have turned a blind eye to the very negative parts of Ukraine and those negative parts are now stronger within the country as the more moderate run.

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AS - those who have been following closely know that the Ukrainians have been suffering high casualties, both civilian and military. This isn’t new information. What I think you fail to understand is that our support for Ukraine doesn’t hinge on whether or not they seem to be “winning” on any given day. I don’t care if they are perceived as “winning“ or not.

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Moscow meanwhile threatened to retaliate against EU member Lithuania for banning transport of basic goods to Kaliningrad, a Russian outpost on the Baltic Sea surrounded by EU territory. The ban, which took effect on Saturday, blocks shipments of coal, metals, construction materials and advanced technology.

A great little country Lithuania with a pop of 3 million is standing up to Putin by not allowing transport of many goods across its country to Russian held Kaliningrad . Russia is now threatening the NATO country.

Russia says this is illegal. TOO RICH

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AS - you are not “us” if you are siding with Russia. Just so that’s clear.

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@antique

why are you are so happy that ‘real’ news is finally being brought to the publics attention ?

Do you enjoy reading that Ukrainian forces are getting beaten, Ukrainian civilians are getting murdered, Ukrainian homes & families are being destroyed.

its disgusting that it’s happening, & it’s disgusting that people get their jollies from it

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What I think you fail to understand is that our support for Ukraine doesn’t hinge on whether or not they seem to be “winning” on any given day. I don’t care if they are perceived as “winning“ or not.

Actually I think you fail to realize public support does hinge on Ukraine winning.

The public is now tired especially in Europe, the influx of refugees, the high price of food and fuel, etc..

Once the reality that Ukraine has lost become more evident in the media and the people get fully fed up, a forced peace agreement will result.

NATO may say "this war will go one for years" but the European population will not put up that and it will be Ukraine on the losing end.

If this is still going by winter time watch how fast the public really turns on Ukraine.

I live in reality not fantasy, people look out for themselves first and the French, Germans , etc...will look out for their interests first not Ukraine's

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Once the reality that Ukraine has lost become more evident in the media and the people get fully fed up, a forced peace agreement will result.

Lost? Lol explain what Russia has won? They've succeeded in turning eastern Ukraine until mounds of rubble, and that's about it. Do you have any idea how much more money and lives it'll take to even try and rebuild what they've destroyed? Do you think Ukraine is just going to let them integrate the stolen lands into Russia without recourse?

Lastly Ukraine almost certainly won't sign a useless treaty with Russia, given the constant lies from the Russian government. How could anyone trust Russia again?

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AS - well, I certainly hope you are wrong, the lives and freedom of Ukrainians depend on it. When do you foresee this war being over?

You do understand the danger of allowing Russia to have an easy win, don’t you? Putin will feel emboldened to take bites off of other countries as he has done so in the past. It’s important that our enemy feel the pain and that their capacity and desire for any further expansion of their empire is diminished. Any Russian tank destroyed or soldier killed in Ukraine is one less that we may have to deal with in the future.

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tooheysnew

Today 08:37 am JST

@antique

> why are you are so happy that ‘real’ news is finally being brought to the publics attention ?

> Do you enjoy reading that Ukrainian forces are getting beaten, Ukrainian civilians are getting murdered, Ukrainian homes & families are being destroyed.

> its disgusting that it’s happening, & it’s

Facts are facts, if you enjoy being told false information then great go watch a fantasy movie.

I want facts I don't want my news service to be creating the news in some fantasy world.

If it was the other way around I do the same.

We say we are different From Russia with state controlled information.

Are we? Really?

I don't read Russia news because I know it is propaganda and more likely false.

I expect better from our news and that isn't what we are getting.

What are the possible consequences, well numerous.

The so-called Spanish flue got that name because western powers and the Germans/Austrian kept it a secret for over a year and only once it was devastating neutral Spain did the public get inform.

This is an extreme example I admit but it is what can and does happen when the facts and truth are kept for the public.

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I live in reality

The problem is, you seem to enjoy reality a bit too much.

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We say we are different From Russia with state controlled information.

Are we? Really?

Unambiguously yes. Are you really trying to compare western media to Russia, where they lock people up for speaking out against the war?

I've also heard from leftists who don't support arming Ukraine out of principle, so I don't find any similarity between western media and Russia.

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But Kiev is still winning right?

Well, that city sure did a good job of making the Russian army look stupid as it turned tail and fled all the way back to the border.

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AS - here are some OSINT sites that have a more granular tracking of activities in the war. MSM is just one source, and it is usually slow (so that they can corroborate) and lacking in detail.

https://liveuamap.com/

https://www.understandingwar.org/

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U,you know the majority of Ukrainain are dying from indirect artillery,that the shell fragment,can impact the size of football field, anybody there can get killed

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The two of you ooze bravado.

Far better than servile cowardice.

But that is easy sitting behind a PC in the safety of Japan.

Likewise, it's much easier for someone whose home, property, and country isn't being invaded, to tell Ukrainians to just "give up already."

The war is in Europe and they don't want it to spread or be a long drawn out affair. (Historically that never ends well in Europe)

Yes, and historically appeasing Fascists doesn't end well either, does it? We've already established that Russia probably won't just stop at Ukraine.

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AS - at what point in the late 30’s / early 40’s was the right time for the allies to enter the war, in your opinion? Just curious.

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Unambiguously yes. Are you really trying to compare western media to Russia, where they lock people up for speaking out against the war?

These days yes!

When a state owned news service like the CBC publishes unverified "intercepted phone calls" transcripts given to them by Ukraine intelligence services, when that news organizations publishes unverified battle information again give by Ukraine, etc.. and uses that information as fact.

Then I say all islt is now is a propaganda branch of the Ukrainian government and not news,

CBC is my country news but BBC, CNN etc.. are all doing the same. No questioning the information supplied by Ukraine or downplaying any negative info they find.

What was the tittle of the article?

"Azovstal surrenders" !?!?

No it was exactly what Ukrainian government put out "Azovstal Evacuated " seriously??

Then you try and say our news isn't now propaganda!

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AS - it sounds like your complaint is with Western News organizations? I also have plenty of issues with both for-profit and state-run news orgs, but that has zero impact on my support for Ukraine. Why does it matter to you?

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Why does it matter to you?

Again if you are fine being fed false information prolonging a war then good for you.

I want our news to give the facts.

If I want propaganda I will read Russia news.

I thought that was what made us different, we use facts and truth they use fake information and propaganda.

But I see many here like you are fine with propaganda.

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AS - I don’t even bother reading the MSM when it comes to Ukraine. I need more timeliness and detail than they provide, so I prefer using other sources. You are preaching to the choir about MSM, which is why I am trying to encourage you to broaden your sources of information.

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Hey, Putin! How many kids did you put in the ground today?

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Again if you are fine being fed false information prolonging a war then good for you.

Unverified information isn't necessarily "false information."

Frankly, I'd find it more problematic if they didn't inform viewers that video/images were unverified, but thankfully they do. This undoubtedly the correct thing to do.

Also, there is a difference between for profit media sensationalizing news to get views, and for state sponsored media disseminating propaganda.

Zelensky just banned the opposition party. But im sure that’s just fine with posters here.

Lol Well yes, you may be shocked to learn this, but civil liberties are often curtailed in times of war. This isn't new or unique to Ukraine, it's called martial law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

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UChosePoorly

Today 09:15 am JST

You do realise that the vast majority of the people get their information from MSM,

So pointing out alternative sources) yes I know plenty) is irrelevant as long as MSM pump out propaganda to the masses.

Great you are informed of the facts, what about the 90% out there that aren't.

Remember Iraq, Afghanistan? 20 years of propaganda, how many died, how many young people believed the propaganda and joined to just be killed or wounded in a lost cause?

Yep it is sad what is happening to Ukraine but it is a done deal now and a long long long protracted war will only kill more people.

So the Ukrainian take back the region in 10 years to do what, fight the local Russian minority for a few more decades, ethnicly cleans the area? Russia takes the rest of Ukraine for what, to spend decades fighting the Ukrainian majority?

No use your head Russia only wants what it can easily hold, and Ukraine even if it got the region's back would never have peace in the area.

The die was cast in 2014 and nothing is going to change that not even all the propaganda in the world.

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Propaganda is propaganda, and every government engages in it. Putin and Zelensky are one of a kind.

Every time I read or hear someone talk about “democracy” in relation to Ukraine, I want to puke. Zelensky banned and jailed his political opponents, shut down media that was not pro Zelensky and engaged in the same political terror as Putin.

Putin is worse, but Zelensky is no saint and there is no democracy in Ukraine, but what we see is the old “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

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AS - I don’t disagree with you over the MSM, believe me. What I disagree with you about is the appeasement of Putin. His invasion and the subsequent occupation of Ukrainian territories needs to be as painful as possible and that is what I support. Or Russia can just go back home.

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Zelensky is Rushing more soldiers in the East meat grinder

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UChosePoorlyToday  07:46 am JST

Quercetum - I try not to make too many predictions because I don’t have a crystal ball, but I don’t see Russia taking Odessa anytime soon. Do you?

No, not any time soon. They can't invade by sea and obstacles remain by land. Odessa, however, is a major Black Sea trading port and Putin wants it. It's the supply lines and how much to stretch it.

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Thanks for your response, Quercetum. I agree with you on all points.

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Lost Cause

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and Ukraine is winning.

according this daily media one sided brain massages.

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Eastman - who is saying that Ukraine is winning? Please be specific.

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Eastman - who is saying that Ukraine is winning? Please be specific.

Does it make any sense to keep filling a bathtub that has a hole in the bottom? Instead of recommending that Zelenskyy search for an end, they keep feeding him with weapons and cash. LOTS of cash.

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Is it actually 'escalating attacks' or the ongoing collapse of the forces willing to fight for the violent, corrupt, antidemocratic Kiev regime?

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FizzBit - I am ok with sending weapons and cash. Russia and Ukraine may need to talk eventually, but let’s do what we can to help Ukraine get to the most advantageous position possible. If Russia goes home tomorrow, I have a feeling that Zelenskyy would be open to talks.

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1979 the USSR invaded Afghanistan.

The west jumped, supplied weapons, Warnings about hard line elements in the Afghan forces went unheeded, 10 years later the USSR have up, the West rejoiced that is until 2001 and then it was the west in Afghanistan fighting the hardline elements it was warned about for the next 20 years and lost.

Here we are Russia this time and Ukraine, warnings of hardline Ukrainian groups like Azov are being ignored all focus on beating Russia.

Will ignoring these hardline elements come back to haunt us?

Moderates have left the country, opposition jailed, hardliner are now more powerful than before.

Careful what you wish for.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

heroiam slava??

or what??

i have learned from these news that russian side is

weak

demoralized

equipped with old weapons

loosing side

again-source are these news.published here.i believe-no hoaxes?

any thoughts as situation on the ground seems a bit different...?

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Putin thought he'd have it so easy. He's peeved about losing his American sputnik but a one-week occupational war with few casualties secured a satellite puppet government in neighboring Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan is a large nation; a fellow ex-Soviet republic and it was so easy.

He got a swelled head, thought with everyone's minds on other matters (such as Winter Olympics), he'd just launch a blitzkrieg bop into Ukraine and grab it up. But cyberwar wasn't enough this time. Being next to Russia, there was resistance. And flushing that out isn't so easy. And now the war is bogging down into attrition and possibly urban guerilla warfare.

Not so easy now, huh - Pudding Head? And now you are a pariah, a bad bad boy. What do you have to say for yourself? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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starpunk

Today 11:11 am JST

Not saying he was right, but wait doesn't he now control over 20% of Ukraine?

That is what even the Ukrainian admit Russia controls and as far as I can see Russia is still gaining more and more territory.

So please drop the silly

Not so easy now, huh - Pudding Head? And now you are a pariah, a bad bad boy. What do you have to say for yourself? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality check, he has nearly all the territory most expected him to want and take.

Their is no bright side of the for Ukraine or the west.

All we ever hear is *he thought it would be easy" how do you or anyone else know what he was thinking?

Facts are Russia now has over 20% and increasing.

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Will ignoring these hardline elements come back to haunt us?

While some worry about what might happen, the rest of the world is worries about what is happening.

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Uchoose

If Russia goes home tomorrow, I have a feeling that Zelenskyy would be open to talks.

You don’t seem to understand the geopolitics or why the special operation was started. Russia ain’t goin home, all your doing is condemning more Ukrainians to death by proxy.

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FizzBit, thanks for your concern, but I am well aware of Russia’s excuses for the invasion. Why are you using the Kremlin’s phrase “special operation”? It’s the little things that give your game away.

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we read here evryday about war.

we read about deaths at both sides,damages,misery.

we read about gun shipments toi UA from west.

we read one sided pro UA propaganda here and in case if we are disagree a bit our comments are removed,removing of my last one took 5mins as expected.great job folks.

what i have never read here:

why all of this started,why Russia acted as they did

where have been these media in 2014-feb2022 period during ATO,when many civilians in east Ukarine regions have died sheltered by UA and Azov forces/yes they were civilians and not some kind of E.T.s/

why no one talking about peaceful solution for this mess

why these proUA media are great supporters of violence,war,antirussian hate and rusophobia,xenophobia

any thoughts folks?

-5 ( +4 / -9 )

More destruction, more scorched earth, more atrocities, more erasing of Ukraine.

All because Putin wants to be the coming Czar of a Great Russian Empire.

This has nothing at all to do with liberation, this is plain genocide!

And now they even start threatening other states (Lithuania, f.ex.).

The man is completely bunkers (eh, bonkers, of course), off the wall.

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I used to think Russia had a strong army, now, not so much. They have failed to overtake Ukraine, they would suffer greatly against NATO nations.

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where have been these media in 2014-feb2022 period during ATO,when many civilians in east Ukarine regions have died sheltered by UA and Azov forces/yes they were civilians and not some kind of E.T.s/

blah blah blah - we have heard this pathetic reasoning for this invasion for months now & only the Putin fans really buy it.

why no one talking about peaceful solution for this mess

the only peaceful solution is Putin withdrawing his army from Ukraine & returning all their land

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The Avenger

Today 12:14 pm JST

I used to think Russia had a strong army, now, not so much. They have failed to overtake Ukraine, they would suffer greatly against NATO nations

And silly thinking link that will get us all killed in WW3.

It ever occur to people that Russia was trying to cause a little damage as possible as it plans on occupying and doesn't want to have to rebuild everything?

In a real war it will be no holds barred, Heavy bombers, ICBMs, submarines sinking supply ships, etc ..

I thought the USA was strong as was NATO, look at what the Taliban did and it wasn't being supplied with billions in aid and arms.

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AntiquesavingToday  11:18 am JST

starpunk

Today 11:11 am JST

Not saying he was right, but wait doesn't he now control over 20% of Ukraine?

That is what even the Ukrainian admit Russia controls and as far as I can see Russia is still gaining more and more territory.

So please drop the silly

He may have 20% of Ukraine but it's been tough. The Ukes are giving the Russians a run for their money. This has not been easy and even so, look at the number of Russian killed. Much more than expected. Much manpower, resources, money lost already. And over time those sanctions are going to hurt Russia hard. Wait until the harsh winter comes there!

Not so easy now, huh - Pudding Head? And now you are a pariah, a bad bad boy. What do you have to say for yourself? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality check, he has nearly all the territory most expected him to want and take.

Their is no bright side of the for Ukraine or the west.

All we ever hear is *he thought it would be easy" how do you or anyone else know what he was thinking?

Facts are Russia now has over 20% and increasing.

But how long can Russia maintain this, or keep what they conquered? If this turns into guerilla warfare, it's going to be hell for the Russian soldiers. That's the kind of warfare nobody wants to get bogged in, it sucks. If it continues long enough it'll be untenable and the Russian army will get bored and go away.

Putin flubbed up, big time. And this is no 'silly' joke.

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Avenger....

I used to think the US had a strong army, now, not so much. They have failed to overtake Afghanistan, they would suffer greatly against Iran.

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It ever occur to people that Russia was trying to cause a little damage as possible

The way to cause as little damage as possible is not to encourage insurrection in the first place, and not to invade in the second place.

why no one talking about peaceful solution for this mess

Because a peaceful solution involves Putin admitting he was wrong, withdrawing his troops and providing funds for the rebuilding of the wasteland he and his orcs have created.

And Putin isn't listening.

And of course there is no solution, peaceful or otherwise, to the problem of all the innocent Ukrainian lives lost to Putin's megalomania.

why these proUA media are great supporters of violence,war,antirussian hate and rusophobia,xenophobia

Sensible people condemn russia and hate putin because sensible people are against war and violence.

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But how long can Russia maintain this, or keep what they conquered? If this turns into guerilla warfare,

Wishful thinking.

There will be no guerilla warfare, because ukrainians in those regions are Ethnic Russians. The rest will probably move out like the ethnic Russians in the rump ukrainian will move to the Russian zones ( just like Kosovo)

Russia said it is fine with Ukraine being in the EU, why because membership will include not going war to retake the lost territories.

The fantasy is over, these regions can only return to Ukraine if you believe in ethnic cleansing, I know Ukraine does it said so in 2015 as it called UPA heroes.

But otherwise these regions can never go back it is too late for reconciliation that was over in 2014 and buried in 2015 once all the anti Russian regulations started.

You can keep dreaming but it is a fantasy

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Ukrainian Combat Robots Join Fight Against Russian Invasion

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/06/16/ukrainian-combat-robots-join-fight-against-russian-invasion/?sh=6c448aad3678

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USA and NATO sure the heck isn't going to take on Russia.

You can keep dreaming but it is a fantasy

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AS - there are a whole lotta flawed premises in that one. I do believe I have addressed these all before. Do you really need me to address them again?

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Ok, to save me some scrolling, would you mind repeating your point? Apologies if I may have misunderstood/misconstrued it.

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UChosePoorly

Today 01:18 pm JST

AS - there are a whole lotta flawed premises in that one. I do believe I have addressed these all before. Do you really need me to address them again?

What for so you can contradict yourself again.

You said it was ok for Ukraine to ban opposition and arrest them because they support or are pro Russia despite not having done anything illegal,

You justified it by saying Russia invaded Ukraine.

When I pointed out that was the same justification for interment of Japanese in Canada, USA and other during WW2, you started backpedaling, you do that a lot or use "whataboutism" to reject everything you cannot justify.

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AS - I thought I was pretty clear, but I guess I wasn’t. If someone has done something to aid and comfort the enemy (like the pro-Russian politicians allegedly have) then I am ok with legal action. If someone has done nothing to aid and comfort the enemy and are being targeted merely because of their ethnicity (like the Japanese-American internees) then I am not ok with that. I wish I knew how to break this down more simply, but I am at a loss. Maybe one of your English teacher friends could help me to convey my point better? Betterer? Besterer?

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There will be no guerilla warfare, because ukrainians in those regions are Ethnic Russians. The rest will probably move out like the ethnic Russians in the rump ukrainian will move to the Russian zones ( just like Kosovo)

Nonsense. The majority of people in those regions are not ethnic Russians, and just because one is an ethnic Russian doesn't mean they're aligned with, or supportive of Russia invading Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine#:~:text=The%20majority%2C%2059.6%25%20of%20Ukrainian,in%20Ukraine%20is%2041.9%20years.

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That is not what you wrote multiple times previous until I pointed out your view would include WW2 interments.

Nonsense. There is a difference between banning political parties, and arresting people for being a member of an ethnic group. I have yet to read here posts by anyone here advocating for the mass incarceration of Russians in Ukraine.

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