Russia waging a shadow war on the West that needs a collective response, Estonian leader says

I think it is more a case of the West waging a shadow war on Russia.

Hello Kitty 321Today 01:54 pm JST

I think it is more a case of the West waging a shadow war on Russia.

Tanks weren't rolling eastward in an illegal war of aggression.

Ramsey's KitchenToday 02:26 pm JST

"I think it is more a case of the West waging a shadow war on Russia.

Tanks weren't rolling eastward in an illegal war of aggression."

The topic is "shadow war" not the cavalry. But you knew that.

Okay fine then, the reason the US can recruit Russians off of the internet is because Russians haven't trusted their government since 1917. Can't blame the US for taking advantage of a country that fails so consistently.

Sadly, it all rings true.

Now if Russia could just work on being a good neighbo(u)r... or failing that, even a neutral neighbo(u)r, everyone could relax.

Tanks weren't rolling eastward in an illegal war of aggression."

The topic is "shadow war" not the cavalry. But you knew that.

The two are obviously connected. But you knew that.

Easy for her to say, don’t see her going to the frontline.

And Zelinsky wants to draw Nato into WW3 over his failure to deal with Putin and avoid the war.

Turkey is one of the few countries still welcoming flights from Russia, and they are reportedly flooded with Russians connecting to locations in South America and Southeast Asia. Seems that like most every Russian with means to flee is doing so.

There is only so long Russia can withstand this. China will be of no help - it's simply eager to siphon up the crumbs.

nandakandamanda

Now if Russia could just work on being a good neighbo(u)r... or failing that, even a neutral neighbo(u)r, everyone could relax.

How about the West working on accepting a few neutral buffer states instead endlessly expanding Nato? The US has the Monroe Doctrine, but they only claim it for themselves.

ZaphodToday 03:51 pm JST

nandakandamanda

Now if Russia could just work on being a good neighbo(u)r... or failing that, even a neutral neighbo(u)r, everyone could relax.

How about the West working on accepting a few neutral buffer states instead endlessly expanding Nato? The US has the Monroe Doctrine, but they only claim it for themselves.

The UN charter doesn't allow for "buffer states" and the Monroe Doctrine is not longer in effect. A lesson for Russia.

Ramsey's KitchenToday 03:55 pm JST

Now if Russia could just work on being a good neighbo(u)r... or failing that, even a neutral neighbo(u)r, everyone could relax.

And thats exactly just what the Russians wanted Ukraine to be - a neutral neighbor. And Ukraine pretty much agreed to it in Istanbul, until BoJo flew in to scuttle the peace talks and push for war instead.

Russian troops were in spitting distance of Kharkiv when the fictional promise of withdrawal was supposed to have been made by people with no credibility. And signing up to be a buffer state is to lose your independence. But you knew that.

Ramsey's KitchenToday 04:08 pm JST

Enough casualties , it's time for ceasefire talks.

Since you claim Ukraine is defeated, Putin can have a ceasefire just by ceasing fire.

Except that shadow war has been going on for a bit longer than " tanks rolling ", perhaps since " NATO rolling its " not an inch eastwards " expansion " would be more accurate.

If a country takes a look to its west and sees an economically advanced, democratic and free part of the world, then looks its east and sees the insane clown show that is Russia, they should damn well be free to choose which side they want to be on. And if all of them choose the West because Russia sucks then tough luck for Russia. It doesn't justify them launching a murderous war of conquest that kills hundreds of thousands of people over just because their stupid feelings are hurt.

In October, a Baltic Sea gas pipeline and telecoms cables were damaged after a Chinese ship dragged its anchor for over 115 miles (185 kilometers) in an incident that is still under investigation. That ship was later seen in a Russian port.

The government of Russia China are working hand in glove to destabilise, provoke, disinformation, to actively harm Estonia energy, communications infrastructure. To enrage, harbour belligerent discontent. To hack, carry out a campaign of cyberwarfare.

If Ukraine falls, a domino effect could prevail across Eastern Europe.

If Ukraine falls, a domino effect could prevail across Eastern Europe.

Why? Your coalition has such a firm and correct ideological position. You have a lot of weapons, you hug so tightly when you meet. What's to stop you from standing up to the last European?

Don't you have any skills to destabilise, provoke, disinformate, to actively harm Russian energy, communications infrastructure? Or you are "white and furry" unlike Russians?

> If a country takes a look to its west and sees an economically advanced, democratic and free part of the world, then looks its east and sees the insane clown show that is Russia, they should damn well be free to choose which side they want to be on. And if all of them choose the West because Russia sucks then tough luck for Russia. It doesn't justify them launching a murderous war of conquest that kills hundreds of thousands of people over just because their stupid feelings are hurt.

The obscurantism and ignorance of your words is just shocking. Either you take your readers for idiots, or you're like that yourself, forgive me for my bad French

The government of Russia China are working hand in glove to destabilise, provoke, disinformation, to actively harm Estonia energy, communications infrastructure. To enrage, harbour belligerent discontent. To hack, carry out a campaign of cyberwarfare.

Who among you Anglo-Saxons said: hypocrisy is a part of our upbringing? I can't remember. Or I'm wrong:)))