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Happy New Year to you, too, Vlad. Hope you got a secure reign on your people so they don't toss you out the nearest window.

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“Of course, we can hit public squares in Kyiv and in any other Ukrainian city,” he said. “I understand — I’m boiling with rage — but do we need to hit civilians? No. We are hitting military targets, and that’s what we will keep doing.”

Rubbish. Liar and moron. It is these attacks, both on civilian and military targets, that put people in places like Belgorod at further risk. Intensifying attacks is only going to worsen it for everybody. Putin is a complete moron.

11 ( +21 / -10 )

Roman Shukhevych is controversial because he collaborated with the Nazis from February 1941 to December 1942 as commanding officer of the Nachtigall Battalion in early 1941 and as a Hauptmann of the German Schutzmannschaft 201 auxiliary police battalion in late 1941 and 1942.

He stands accused of massacring Jews and Poles.

Quite right! One of the facts of the process of denazification in Ukraine! And not only the Shukhevych Museum was struck, but also the university where Bandera studied. True, Poroshenko promised to restore the museum. I wonder if Poland will give money to restore the memory of Shukhevych or won't?

-12 ( +10 / -22 )

Let’s hope 2024 is the year Putin is toppled from power. His reign will be remembered for destroying the future of Russia - over 350,000 Russian men killed or maimed, 100’s of 1000’s have left the country, & the economy & its military in tatters.

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Haaa Nemui, Your opinion on Putin we know very well from post to post. What do you think about Roman Shukhevych? You can use wikipedia information

-14 ( +8 / -22 )

KukuToday 07:27 am JST

Roman Shukhevych is controversial because he collaborated with the Nazis from February 1941 to December 1942 as commanding officer of the Nachtigall Battalion in early 1941 and as a Hauptmann of the German Schutzmannschaft 201 auxiliary police battalion in late 1941 and 1942.

He stands accused of massacring Jews and Poles.

Quite right! One of the facts of the process of denazification in Ukraine! And not only the Shukhevych Museum was struck, but also the university where Bandera studied. True, Poroshenko promised to restore the museum. I wonder if Poland will give money to restore the memory of Shukhevych or won't?

So hitting a university just because someone bad went there. I guess it is in keeping with Putin's war on the truth and knowledge.

10 ( +21 / -11 )

Let’s hope 2024 is the year Putin is toppled from power.

There is no such hope. He has 70 percent plus minus even more of Rus people support. Until complete victory, since a great price has already been paid. The west should have agreed in March 2022. It's too late now.

-16 ( +8 / -24 )

Kuku - I don’t care about him. He’s long gone. I wouldn’t have supported him either. Honestly, I hope Russians see the light and get rid of Putin, because unless they do, this war is just going to grind on and Belgorod at a minimum will end up being part of the “buffer zone” that some here have spoken of.

12 ( +20 / -8 )

So hitting a university just because someone bad went there

Crocodile tears...falce tears

Why don’t you cry for those cultural monuments associated with Russian moments that Ukrainians destroyed in Ukraine??? Hundreds of monuments have been sent to the trash heap! Millions books of Russian classics were burned! Ukraine practically did not have its own culture left, since it was completely connected with Russia.

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KukuToday 07:40 am JST

Let’s hope 2024 is the year Putin is toppled from power.

There is no such hope. He has 70 percent plus minus even more of Rus people support. Until complete victory, since a great price has already been paid. The west should have agreed in March 2022. It's too late now.

There is no proof the fuhrer was willing to accept a NATO membership only ceasefire in March 2022. I also note how you now talk about the "Rus people" like Germany talked about the Germans about mid way through the last century.

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Vlad needs a double tap ,the russian people need a lessson ,too .They are not all supporting him and they should rise up .but oh no they can't they are too busy drinking in Thailand

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Putin will continue bombing hospitals, churches, schools, playgrounds and other strategic military targets.

5 ( +16 / -11 )

On January 1, Ukraine celebrates the birthday of Stepan Bandera. Usually on this day, torchlight processions of zigging youth take place along the main avenues of cities. This time I have seen information on the trocession only from Odessa.... They say not more 15 boys there were....Ukr men are afraid that they will be caught and sent to the trenches near Avdeevka....

-12 ( +8 / -20 )

Vlad needs a double tap ,the russian people need a lessson ,too .They are not all supporting him and they should rise up

Putin has infinitely more support than Zelensky or any western leader.

-12 ( +9 / -21 )

Those that support Ukraine and think Ukraine hasn't already lost are uninformed.

-15 ( +9 / -24 )

Happy New Year to everyone! (except for invaders and their hangers-on)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1741918535570305284

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It's 1991 borders were artificially created by the Soviets and it was never meant to be a viable country.

What about Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia? Are those viable countries in your opinion? Moldova?

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The growing US view is that Ukraine is barely hanging on in its war with Russia and that some sort of negotiated settlement will be needed.

Wrong about Ukraine winning the war, Iraq, Afghanistan, Xinjiang, Wuhan and the invasion of Taiwan. Just simply wrong.

-8 ( +8 / -16 )

Ok, so when will Russia prevail?

some bot here use to post here slogan that Ukraine prevails but everytime when Iask when this will happen I have never recived any update.

reality is different than rusophobes are painting here.

Russia will prevail at the end UA as we knew from past is long time gone.

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It's quite possible that a collapse of Zelensky's regime (almost inevitable at this point) will see the Russian speaking areas go to Russia, the Western former Polish area going back to Poland and even the Hungarian area in the Southwest going back to Hungary. Even Slovakia has a historical claim on some land.

Hopefully that’ll be how it turns out: let them have only the central part of Ukraine.

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The growing US view 

Maybe leave expounding on the 'growing US view' to those of who are, actually, you know, Americans? You come from a country who is currently a US adversary, if not an outright enemy. Maybe your views aren't as unbiased as you think they are?

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Thuban - Is Belarus a viable country in your opinion?

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Wick's pencilToday 08:01 am JST

Vlad needs a double tap ,the russian people need a lessson ,too .They are not all supporting him and they should rise up

Putin has infinitely more support than Zelensky or any western leader.

So much support he had a rogue general riding to Moscow with people cheering him on?

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Maybe leave expounding on the 'growing US view' to those of who are, actually, you know, Americans? You come from a country who is currently a US adversary, if not an outright enemy. Maybe your views aren't as unbiased as you think they are

No. I will comment and give my opinion regardless of where I’m from. More Americans believe Ukrain will lose than before. Do you disagree?

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ThubanToday 08:08 am JST

In the western city of Lviv

If the Western media actually provided context than people might know that Lviv was a Polish city throughout most of history until WW2 when it was annexed by Moscow and given to Ukraine, during which Poles were expelled and murdered.

Many in Poland were disgusted by this museum and it's one of the reasons why there's growing animosity between Poland and Zelensky.

Not so much that the current leader of Poland isn't fully behind Zelenskyy.

It's quite possible that a collapse of Zelensky's regime (almost inevitable at this point) will see the Russian speaking areas go to Russia, the Western former Polish area going back to Poland and even the Hungarian area in the Southwest going back to Hungary. Even Slovakia has a historical claim on some land.

I know it is your dream for Ukraine to be dismantled, but only Russia has the necessary fascist ideology to try to take what belongs to others.

Only the central part of Ukraine is actually historically Ukrainian majority. It's 1991 borders were artificially created by the Soviets and it was never meant to be a viable country.

Still signed off on in the Belovezha Accords and the Budhapest Memorandum, so Ukraine's borders could not have a stronger legal basis. Also Crimea is attached by land to Ukraine.

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quercetumToday 08:37 am JST

The growing US view is that Ukraine is barely hanging on in its war with Russia and that some sort of negotiated settlement will be needed.

Operative word there being "some sort". Should be an unconditional ceasefire or nothing.

Wrong about Ukraine winning the war, Iraq, Afghanistan, Xinjiang, Wuhan and the invasion of Taiwan. Just simply wrong.

Yes, it is amazing how the US doesn't follow anything the People's Daily says is true.

Hopefully that’ll be how it turns out: let them have only the central part of Ukraine.

I guess territorial borders are not sacrosanct for you. When will you be acknowledging that Taiwan is independent?

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Those that support Ukraine and think Ukraine hasn't already lost are uninformed.

What do you want Russia to ‘win’?

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quercetumToday 08:47 am JST

Maybe leave expounding on the 'growing US view' to those of who are, actually, you know, Americans? You come from a country who is currently a US adversary, if not an outright enemy. Maybe your views aren't as unbiased as you think they are

No. I will comment and give my opinion regardless of where I’m from. More Americans believe Ukrain will lose than before. Do you disagree?

As you have said I'm sure, Americans cannot identify Ukraine on a map, so they should be leaving it to people that should know better, their representatives and president.

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few facts you want to hear.

this conflict was masterminded by west as proxy war against Russia while ua and it territory is used as proxy war battlefield.

west have imposed antirussian sanctions which proved to be meaningless as Russia doing pretty well.

we have readed hoaxes here like Russia have no shells,rockets,weapons,no frineds and its isolated at international scene,russian soldiers stealing chips from ua microwaves as need these badly for its drones production-while reality was completely different.

we have readed hoaxes abt russian orchestrated masscre of civilians in Bucha/zero evidences,russian rocket have attacked Polamd/was ua rocket,than again russian rocket came to Poland for 3 mins than have dissapeaes/again zeo evidence.

we have readed propaganda about Snake island,how russians are shelling ar Zaporozhie power station as wants to create a nuclear disaster,have shelled at Kakhovka dam to create flood for Ua citizens and so on.all hoaxes were against any common sense/poer station under control of RU troops,are under Kakhovka laso.

list of one sided antirussian hoaxes is endless.

let me tell you again.

west did a grave mistake.have strongly underestimated Russia and their mistake shows up day day as UA people are dying in name of west interests.

Kiev junta brought UA to brink of collapse and it existence.

Russia is undefeated and will prevail dear fallafel.

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Do you disagree?

To the extent that they have an opinion, I would say that the Americans who have been following Russia's meddling and invasion probably feel that Ukraine will eventually get their territory back, though it may take a while and with many more Russian and Ukrainian dead. That being said, Americans ability to see into the future is the same as yours.

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KukuToday 07:49 am JST

So hitting a university just because someone bad went there

Crocodile tears...falce tears

Why don’t you cry for those cultural monuments associated with Russian moments that Ukrainians destroyed in Ukraine??? Hundreds of monuments have been sent to the trash heap! Millions books of Russian classics were burned! Ukraine practically did not have its own culture left, since it was completely connected with Russia.

Because they are in Ukraine, Ukraine has every right to tear down the symbols of the fascist invader. Also monuments and books are not university students.

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Kuku - what is yours is yours and what is mine is mine. What is Ukraine's is Ukraine's and not Russia's. Two different countries, my friend.

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As you have said I'm sure, Americans cannot identify Ukraine on a map,

SOME Americans…

so they should be leaving it to people that should know better, their representatives and president.

Not when they lost all credibility and especially having to deal with an administration that is completely incoherent to the wishes of millions of Americans.

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EastmannToday 08:57 am JST

few facts you want to hear.

this conflict was masterminded by west as proxy war against Russia while ua and it territory is used as proxy war battlefield.

Still Putin's War

west have imposed antirussian sanctions which proved to be meaningless as Russia doing pretty well.

we have readed hoaxes here like Russia have no shells,rockets,weapons,no frineds and its isolated at international scene,russian soldiers stealing chips from ua microwaves as need these badly for its drones production-while reality was completely different.

we have readed hoaxes abt russian orchestrated masscre of civilians in Bucha/zero evidences,russian rocket have attacked Polamd/was ua rocket,than again russian rocket came to Poland for 3 mins than have dissapeaes/again zeo evidence.

we have readed propaganda about Snake island,how russians are shelling ar Zaporozhie power station as wants to create a nuclear disaster,have shelled at Kakhovka dam to create flood for Ua citizens and so on.all hoaxes were against any common sense/poer station under control of RU troops,are under Kakhovka laso.

list of one sided antirussian hoaxes is endless.

Yes, if you declare all news from Ukraine a hoax, there will be a lot of hoaxes. Bucha was not a hoax, though, as the ICC will determine when it gets around.

let me tell you again.

west did a grave mistake.have strongly underestimated Russia and their mistake shows up day day as UA people are dying in name of west interests.

Kiev junta brought UA to brink of collapse and it existence.

Zelenskyy has more legitimacy than Russian junta and still Putin's War.

Russia is undefeated and will prevail dear fallafel.

We only have to go back to WW1 and Afghanistan to see Russia defeated and not prevailing.

4 ( +11 / -7 )

Russia will pound hard this time gloves are off.

as many of you may see Putins public speech in TV broadcasted on New Year.

again nothing rude or impolite-just pure fact.

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Eastmann

few facts you want to hear.

this conflict was masterminded by west as proxy war against Russia while ua and it territory is used as proxy war battlefield.

No it wasn't. Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. That is imperialism.

west have imposed antirussian sanctions which proved to be meaningless as Russia doing pretty well.

They imposed sanctions to punish Russia for unprovoked aggression in Ukraine.

we have readed hoaxes abt russian orchestrated masscre of civilians in Bucha/zero evidences,

Plenty of evidence of those war crimes in Bucha.

list of one sided antirussian hoaxes is endless.

Nope.

let me tell you again.

west did a grave mistake.have strongly underestimated Russia and their mistake shows up day day as UA people are dying in name of west interests.

What? It was Russia that invaded Ukraine, and the west isn't involved.

Kiev junta brought UA to brink of collapse and it existence.

There is no Kyiv junta.

Russia is undefeated and will prevail dear fallafel.

Well it has lost this war. How many more thousands have to die is up to Putin.

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As you have said I'm sure, Americans cannot identify Ukraine on a map, so they should be leaving it to people that should know better, their representatives and president.

I didn’t say that.

What do those people think? That is those in your opinion who know better, the House and Senate, what do they think of Ukraine chances? Are not more and more changing their opinions from before? Is the support as strong as it was before?

That being said, Americans ability to see into the future is the same as yours.

And the same as yours. No one knows with certainty but what might that ability be? Are you putting down Americans too in one broad stroke? Who helped your country with loans after WWII?

Like I said, more Americans think a peace negotiation is the way to go, rather than Putin going back to Moscow with tail between legs.

Regarding the future, not that it matters, I have predicted correctly and commented on the hoax that is the image less Xinjiang genocide and concentration camp.

I’ve said the real estate bubble pop was carried out taking into consideration of Japan’s bubble and the U.S. sub-prime bubble. Tighten the belt now to avoid a bigger crisis and to redirect money into tech instead of property speculation.

You don’t have to be an American to leave opinions to Americans. Do you leave opinions of the Ukraine War to only the Ukrainians and Russians here?

Ukrain will lose the war. China will not invade Taiwan. “I think” more Americans (I was told to leave out “I think” by my English teacher. Maybe this bothers you) see Ukraine not getting their territory back and that peace negotiations is due.

-7 ( +7 / -14 )

 He has 70 percent plus minus

Is that plus or minus ?

even more of Rus people support.

according to the Russian government ? & you believe that right

Until complete victory, since a great price has already been paid

Yes, 1/2 million Russian men, & the destruction of Russian economy, military & its future.

Russia will pound hard this time gloves are off.

So the war crimes committed, the targeting of civilian institutions up until now were with gloves on ?

 Russia doing pretty well.

Err, no it’s not

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Who helped your country with loans after WWII?

You tell me.

Ukrain will lose the war. China will not invade Taiwan.

These are your predictions. Using 'I think' or 'I believe' or 'I predict' is totally fine. You are welcome for the English lesson.

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quercetum

What do those people think? That is those in your opinion who know better, the House and Senate, what do they think of Ukraine chances? Are not more and more changing their opinions from before? Is the support as strong as it was before?

It's still a majority in the House and the Senate who support Ukraine.

Like I said, more Americans think a peace negotiation is the way to go, rather than Putin going back to Moscow with tail between legs.

Unfortunately, those aren't the options. If Ukraine negotiates a peace treay now with Putin, they are just delaying Putin taking more of Ukraine and expanding westward to Poland etc.

Not supporting Ukraine now could pull the US into a war in the region in the future.

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In order to understand what is happening, it is useful for many to listen to President Putin at the Munich conference in 2007. Those who did not understand what they were talking about today feel it in their own skin. Everything is said there about the expansion of NATO to the borders of Russia and about global security and about security guarantees and much more.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

Thanks for your prediction, Thuban. We will check back next year for your accuracy.

I am interested in your use of the word 'viable' previously. What are some other non-viable countries, in your opinion, and why would you consider them so?

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nik

In order to understand what is happening, it is useful for many to listen to President Putin at the Munich conference in 2007. Those who did not understand what they were talking about today feel it in their own skin. Everything is said there about the expansion of NATO to the borders of Russia and about global security and about security guarantees and much more.

Nope. NATO expansion has nothing to do with Putin's invasion of Ukraine. This isn't about security, it's about Russian imperialism.

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Look at the facts. The abomination of the rocket attack on Belgorod killing scores. 1 minute past midnight they rocketed Donetsk City kill civilians too.

These amount to punitive murders of civilians by terrorists.

And these are the same people who claim they want Donetsk back.

Putin specifically warned in his NYE address that he wouldn't back down to these types.

-11 ( +4 / -15 )

The Kyiv regime is desperate, winter has already entered and Russia is the best army in the world to fight in winter..

Napoleon and Hitler can confirm this..

Russian victory on the way..

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so he’s resorting to mass attacks on civilians to try to cow them into giving him what he wants. 

The tactic of convincing people to give up their land by bombing them is working about as well on the Ukrainians as it would on the Americans.

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Because that could be considered cowardly at best, treacherous at worse. Are there cowardly and treacherous Ukrainians? Sure, probably similar in percentage to every other country on earth, more or less, and surely a minority regardless.

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 He has 70 percent plus minus

Is that plus or minus ?

even more of Rus people support.

according to the Russian government ? & you believe that right

Don't show yourself stupid with a smart look! The Levada Center gives 78%. 78% of the population support Putin. The Levada Center in Russia is recognized as a foreign agent. I belive Russian government and Putin. I don't believe Zelensky, his Co, and pro-ukr experts. I belive Russian military correspondents as well

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I belive Russian military correspondents as well

That's fine, but don't try and force the rest of us to share in your delusions. We know why you are here on this English language, lightly-moderated (for veracity) message board.

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Bucha was not a hoax, though, as the ICC will determine when it gets around.

What's the news from the ICC? Have they already decided on the names of the victims there? I don't follow, maybe have missed

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People here said the gloves had come off after the reports of Russia’s eighteen hour bombardment of Ukraine. Ukraine responded with its attack on Belgorod. Now people are saying Russia’s gloves are going to come off. Make up your minds.

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He pledged that these shocking, indiscriminate, targeted attacks on civilians will not go unanswered and strikes on UAF targets will be ramped up and up.

Oct-7th style behaviour from Kyiv. We know the Kraken Battalion was involved. They used a Czech supplied RM-70 MLRS with cluster munitions. The Czech Republic government is trying to pretend this didn't happen.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

The Czech Republic government is trying to pretend this didn't happen.

Gosh. Doesn’t appear the Czechs are as outraged as somebody was trying to tell us they were.

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While vowing retribution, Putin insisted Russia would only target military infrastructure in Ukraine.

“Of course, we can hit public squares in Kyiv and in any other Ukrainian city,” he said. “I understand — I’m boiling with rage — but do we need to hit civilians? No. We are hitting military targets, and that’s what we will keep doing.”

Considering it's been 2 years and the number of attacks across Ukraine in that time it's quite obvious Russia is trying to keep civilian casualties low. All civilian casualties are tragic, yet compare it to the carnage in Gaza, That maniac Netanyahu kills more civilians in a month than Russia in 2 years, and the geriatric in the White House keeps supplying the weapons for it. What a messed up world we live in.

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Russians took 30,000 casualties, lost 412 tanks and 500 artillery systems last month alone. Regardless of ramping up production for war, those figures are not sustainable. 

The murdering midget from Moscow cannot attain his strategic goals on the battlefield, so he’s resorting to mass attacks on civilians to try to cow them into giving him what he wants. 

Russians don’t learn. Ukraine is not buckling under to his terror attacks.

Theres nothing off-topic about this. It is directly related to Russian missile attacks on civilians.

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Kyiv officials have publicly called for half a million conscripts - what is not clear where they will come from (or be paid). So they are nudging foreign countries to deport MAMs back to Ukraine.

Estonia has pledged to "hand over" people (they estimate 7000 men) but Germany has said it won't. Still looking how other countries will respond. Last week there were huge lines at consulates across Europe as men applied for 10 year passports - basically large numbers of people don't want to return for obvious reasons.

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The Russians had better pray that the US doesn’t come through with funding and full range AATACAMS. 

Because Ukraine isn’t going to forget this.

Theres nothing off-topic about this one either.

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quercetumToday 09:36 am JST

As you have said I'm sure, Americans cannot identify Ukraine on a map, so they should be leaving it to people that should know better, their representatives and president.

I didn’t say that.

What do those people think? That is those in your opinion who know better, the House and Senate, what do they think of Ukraine chances? Are not more and more changing their opinions from before? Is the support as strong as it was before?

Just because Ukraine most likely won't advance, doesn't mean they will retreat.

Like I said, more Americans think a peace negotiation is the way to go, rather than Putin going back to Moscow with tail between legs.

Americans would prefer x10 that Putin go back to Moscow. Even Republicans say this. And unless they are in the 10% that actually want surrender, presumably they want a ceasefire only.

Ukrain will lose the war. China will not invade Taiwan. “I think” more Americans (I was told to leave out “I think” by my English teacher. Maybe this bothers you) see Ukraine not getting their territory back and that peace negotiations is due.

A ceasefire is not the same as peace negotiations. Russia will never have peace until it collapses yet again. Even Japan is in this camp.

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Ramsey's Kitchen

Considering it's been 2 years and the number of attacks across Ukraine in that time it's quite obvious Russia is trying to keep civilian casualties low. 

That is not true. Putin doesn't care about civilians. He targets them all the time.

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JJEToday 09:56 am JST

Look at the facts. The abomination of the rocket attack on Belgorod killing scores. 1 minute past midnight they rocketed Donetsk City kill civilians too.

We were told any time at night is okay to fire indiscriminately like Russia does. Who can blame Ukraine for wanting to ring in the New Year right?

These amount to punitive murders of civilians by terrorists.

Terrorists attack countries they aren't at war with. Russia is clearly the occupier and at war with Ukraine. I suppose Russia is also a terrorist for all of their indiscriminate murders?

And these are the same people who claim they want Donetsk back.

Yes, they want what is legally theirs. I suppose they will settle for making Russia pay in in blood as much as they can.

Putin specifically warned in his NYE address that he wouldn't back down to these types.

There is no type lower than animal Putin, so he will back down to whatever he is forced to back down to.

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 basically large numbers of people don't want to return for obvious reasons.

Same reasons as the Russians that don't want to return. Has Russia started returning their conscripts passports yet?

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John

Russians took 30,000 casualties, lost 412 tanks and 500 artillery systems last month alone. Regardless of ramping up production for war, those figures are not sustainable. 

Not only that, there current tactics have them losing many of their elite Russian airborne (VDV) soldiers. It isn't sustainable.

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Roman Shukhevych, a controversial Ukrainian nationalist

Why is he controversial?

He was an early leader within the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and participated in violent activities and assassinations when Lviv was part of Poland during the interwar years.

He went on to serve with the Nazi SS and later on led the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), which has been accused of extensive ethnic cleansing targeting the region’s Jewish and Polish populations. He died in 1950 during a shootout with Soviet counterintelligence.

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The Russians had better pray that the US doesn’t come through with funding and full range AATACAMS. 

Yeah, that’s just not going to happen.

Because Ukraine isn’t going to forget this.

They shouldn’t and Russia won’t let them forget it either.

.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

He died in 1950 during a shootout with Soviet counterintelligence.

Minus one for fighting with the Nazis, Plus one for fighting against the USSR.

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Precisely - the "controversial" Ukrainian nationalist fought for the nazis.

Wouldn't hurt to have the truth.

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He died in 1950 during a shootout with Soviet counterintelligence

Would that be the same Soviet Union that started out WW2 as an ally of Nazi Germany? You know the same one that split Poland with them as well.

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Nope. A non-aggression pact does not mean a formal alliance. Russia had one with Japan too. West European countries concluded multiple agreements with Berlin in the 30s - Munich being the most notorious.

Japan and Italy were the formal Axis alliance members.

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Nope

Yep. They agreed to stay out of each other's way and divide up Poland. You want to whitewash Soviet history and pretend that somehow they weren't as awful they were and that actually it was Ukraine, which at the time was part USSR at the time, were the real Nazi collaborator. it's absurd.

It's also laundering RT trash. Keep reposting Russian stage propaganda

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bass4funkToday 11:12 am JST

They shouldn’t and Russia won’t let them forget it either.

What does that even mean? Ukraine won't forget it because they are losing what is rightfully theirs. Russia has no role except to withdraw or die.

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JJEToday 11:29 am JST

Nope. A non-aggression pact does not mean a formal alliance. Russia had one with Japan too. West European countries concluded multiple agreements with Berlin in the 30s - Munich being the most notorious.

Japan and Italy were the formal Axis alliance members.

They still zeroed out Poland and the Baltics with borders between Nazi Germany and the USSR defined in advance. Basically buddies having a good time.

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it's none of my interest. But you are poking your nose into the business of others in all countries all over the world.

Lol absolutely hilarious considering it was RUSSIA who invaded Ukraine. Pathetic.

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They still zeroed out Poland and the Baltics with borders between Nazi Germany and the USSR defined in advance.

I think it is fair to say that Poland and the Baltics will never forget this 'brotherly love'. Hey Russia! She's just not that into you!

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LVD - come on man, I expect better from you. The biggest difference to my eyes is that the West didn't take control of Czechoslovakia, nor any part of Poland. Just the bad guys did.

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Do you mean like when our leaders via Chamberlain agreed to sell out Czechoslovakia to Hitler in Munich , to stay out of each other's way ?

When did Britain etc. invade Czechoslovakia? The UK staying of the conflict is not the same as Nazi Germany and the USSR divying up Poland amongst themselves.

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The Russians had better pray that the US doesn’t come through with funding and full range AATACAMS. 

Yeah, that’s just not going to happen.

This is as likely to age as well as its other overly-confident um… (what’s the appropriate mom-vulgar term?) “predictions”.

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La vie douce

" Yep. They agreed to stay out of each other's way and divide up Poland."

Do you mean like when our leaders via Chamberlain agreed to sell out Czechoslovakia to Hitler in Munich , to stay out of each other's way ? West has no moral superiority when it comes to dealing with Nazi's if you want to pull history cards.

I don't think we have any Chamberlain supporters here except in the pro-Putin camp. He is proof that appeasement doesn't stop tyrants and how he sold out Czechoslovakia was shamefull.

Still many here who think we should sell out Ukraine to the tyrant Putin.

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West has no moral superiority when it comes to dealing with Nazi's if you want to pull history cards.

Let me just add, if the UK and US not getting involved in the conflict with Germany and Czechoslovakia makes them complicit, then by the same logic, not getting directly involved in the Russian invasion of Ukraine makes them complicit as well. Great argument all around.

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Poland got a slice of Czechoslovakia out of Munich - in fact they were the first to invade and annex. The axis couldn't believe their luck.

Read a history book!

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What does that even mean?

The way I said it should mean.

Ukraine won't forget it because they are losing what is rightfully theirs. Russia has no role except to withdraw or die.

Again, that’s not going to happen.

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Last year at this time the narrative was "the Leopards are coming and the Great Grand Epic Spring Offensive will crush Russia once and for all"

Actually, last year at this time it was "HOW DARE YOU ATTACK RUSSIAN SOLDIERS AT NIGHT!!!" and this year it's changed to "Russia only attacks at night to minimize civilian casualties".

Since we're talking about consistencies and all.

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This is as likely to age as well

The preceding comment, probably.

as its other overly-confident um… (what’s the appropriate mom-vulgar term?) “predictions”.

Nothing to do with being over-confident

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Thuban

Total abysmal failure and countless Ukrainian men paid the price for that folly.

Countless more Russians are paying for Putin's folly.

Zelensky is destroying Ukraine by refusing to negotiate a reasonable peace.

A reasonable peace isn't an option.

A Ukraine strong enough to deter and defeat any future Russian aggression with an economy strong enough to prosper without large amounts of foreign aid is the only outcome of Russia’s war that the United States and the West should accept. Trusting Russian promises of good behavior would be foolish.

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My point that I clearly stated was that West has no moral superiority when it comes to dealing with Nazis. I know you understood that.

So your point is that the US and Europe should be sending in troops to help fight off the Russian invaders?

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La vie douce

We the West still sold out Czechoslovakia to Hitler to 'stay out of each others way '. My point that I clearly stated was that West has no moral superiority when it comes to dealing with Nazis. I know you understood that.

I agree that chamberlain sold out Czechoslovakia and so did the US with it's isolationist policies. There were many voices against these policies.

The point that I am making is let's not do the same and sell out Ukraine to Putin. If you want to end up on the right side of history, you would agree.

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Great thinking there.

Yeah, back at you. It was really brilliant of you to point out how the US not assisting Ukraine would make it complicit in Russian's invasion.

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Thats what you deduced

Yes. That is logical deduction to make off your claim that the US/UK not helping aid Czechoslovakia makes them complicit.

If we are complicit in the invasion of Czechoslovakia for not assisting them, how would we not be complicit in the invasion of Ukraine should we stop assisting them?

Heavens, that may be your and your bosses fantasy

Projection much?

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