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© 2023 AFPRussia ramping up attacks in eastern Ukraine
By Khrystyna ZANYK KYIV©2025 GPlusMedia Inc.
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UChosePoorly
https://twitter.com/i/status/1729918034054107461
Until the last Russian invader
2020hindsights
Thuban
with the nearly encircled industrial town of Avdiivka the latest major flashpoint.
Well they don't seem to be making much progress on the 'encircling' bit. They have been trying for months and sending in more and more men into the meat grinder without much movement. They have been losing an incredible average of 930 men a day, they highest rate of loss in the war - even higher than Bakhmut.
I must have missed that report.
No. They haven't. They have just been losing men.
If by winning, you mean losing thousands of lives, then yes, they are.
falseflagsteve
Time for a ceasefire guys, the deaths must end and compromises must be made to satisfy both side in a realistic way
TokyoLiving
It is time for the Kiev regime to think about negotiating peace and forget about the new territories liberated by Russia...
Before the last soldier of the regime dies...
Russia will win this war by the end of winter and the big losers will be US/NATO circus..
UChosePoorly
Lol, why is it always the pro-Russians calling for a ceasefire?
Fighto!
Fortunately, Ukrainians are not so weak-willed - they will not roll over. Why should they? They are fighting a regime trying to steal their homeland.
Broken record. More like Fascist Russia will keep throwing fools into a meat grinder for no real gain. Keep sending those body bags.
Cards fan
Liberated? Now THAT is the biggest joke in world.
2020hindsights
TokyoLiving
Russia have already lost this war.
falseflagsteve
Anyone who thinks continuing this conflict will benefit the average Ukrainian citizen is deluded or a war monger.
There were lines drawn by Russian and talks before the conflict began but they were ignored.
Now we see, endless deaths and the decimation of Ukrainian youth by death or by disability and that will grow worse by the day as this continues.
UChosePoorly
Ffs, you still won’t conquer Ukraine.
falseflagsteve
UChose
im not on either side, despise the leadership of both countries, totally corrupt and evil and I hate war.
UChosePoorly
’we didn’t want your stupid county anyway’ vibes lol
UChosePoorly
Thuban - does Ukraine get to tell Russia whether they can be militarized or not? Then why do you think Ukraine will accept that? You guys need to understand how you come off to those of us in the west.
UChosePoorly
Thuban - you are not treating Ukraine as an equal country to Russia. It’s almost like you think that Ukraine should be a vassal state to Russia, like Belarus.
Chabbawanga
That has never been the aim. Russia has already achieved more than it could hope for. They now occupy the majority of the Donbass region, which is where the majority of Ukrainan heavy industry and natural resources are located. Expect this to be annexed in any ceasefire treaty. A huge victory for the West right there.
ok1517
Avdiivka - another Mariupol.
Except, this time those Russian invaders won't succeed!
Throwing thousand in the meat grinder - PUTAin of course doesn't care.
More than 320.000 marauders eliminated so far and more to come!
Ukraine stands strong!
Ukraine prevails!
John
The Russians can leave the easy way or the hard way. But they ARE leaving.
Hercolobus
Time for Ukraine to surrender?
Coulda been
"Ukraine blames Russia for everything"
Generally because, Russia is to blame for everything.
2020hindsights
Chabbawanga
Ffs, you still won’t conquer Ukraine.
Well they wanted the whole country. They wanted regime change in Kiev. They wanted a puppet in Kiev that answered to Putin. They wanted to Russify Ukraine. They wanted the war over in a few days. They wanted to demilitarize Ukraine.
They got none of that.
That's why Russia have lost this war.
2020hindsights
Eastman
Russia's national interests aren't in any danger.
As Putin will soon learn the hard way.
UChosePoorly
After almost 2 years of fending off their much larger neighbor, you don’t think Ukraine has the will to win and protect its interests? You guys have no understanding of Ukrainian mind.
UChosePoorly
Ukraine doesn’t want to have anything to do with Russia after what Russia has done to their country. They prefer the west for obvious reasons.
UChosePoorly
Russia doesn’t get to tell Ukraine what to do, who they can ally with, who they can trade with.
Antiquesaving
Where is your source on that? Ukraine?
Here is the reality, nothing Ukraine says can be trusted in the same way nothing Russia says can.
Ukraine had made incredible claims and we are now finding out most were just fantasy!
Even Time magazine has pointed this out!
At this point Ukrainian military is so depleted that Time magazine reported that the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is 43 years old!
In july 2022 the average age was 30 and a strength of 700,000 personnel!
What happened to all those young men that now the Ukrainian military is well into their mid 40s?
Ukraine claims 35,000 killed 100,000 captured or wounded.
Seriously! 700,000 military personnel in July 2022 average age 30 now the average age is 43 and we are told by Ukraine it only lost 150,000 casualties!
But even the USA is no longer going along with this fantasy.
USA now says Ukraine has lost over 120,000 killed and half a million wounded!
Now they are using old men and middle aged men pulled off the streets even though under the draft men of that age with children are exempt!
We need to stop this fantasy that Russia is going to pack up and leave, the fantasy Ukraine is going to take back everything!
Time to start talking and stop the rah rah rah, miracle weapons are coming, willpower will overcome, etc..
Antiquesaving
Actually we do, Zelenski and his gang have sacrificed an entire generation of young men!
The men so much do not want to fight that they've increased the patrols along their borders to stop men from fleeing. This was reported by BBC and by all the countries surrounding Ukraine.
Time magazine points out that the average age of Ukrainian soldier is now 43 as opposed to in July 2022 it was 30.
Even the US has given up trying to cover up the reality and now says over 120,000 Ukrainian soldiers are dead and 500,000 are wounded.
So zelinski is now sending old men and middle-aged men to fight clinging to a fantasy that somehow Russia is just going to pack its bags and go home!
Antiquesaving
And why not?
The USA does it all the time, so does the EU, the IMF, etc..
It is funny how " sovereignty" is only important when the western nations are not the ones doing the dictating!
Blacklabel
Time for the tiny guy to wrap it up and start negotiations before “nearly” encircled becomes totally encircled.
UChosePoorly
Well, they can try, but Ukraine gets a vote too and so do we :)
UChosePoorly
Again, with the pro-RU side and their desire for a cease-fire / surrender. Not going to happen until the Russians get kicked out.
UChosePoorly
Eastman - the West is not going to stop helping Ukraine. Take that to the bank.
2020hindsights
Antiquesaving
They have been losing an incredible average of 930 men a day, they highest rate of loss in the war - even higher than Bakhmut.
UK Ministry of Defence:
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3243011/russias-daily-ukraine-casualties-are-likely-higher-now-any-other-time-war-uk-intelligence
2020hindsights
Antiquesaving
They have been losing an incredible average of 930 men a day, they highest rate of loss in the war - even higher than Bakhmut.
The MoD said the figures are “plausible”, putting it down to mounting casualty figures from Russia’s attacks on Avdiivka, a small town on the edge of occupied Donetsk.
TaiwanIsNotChina
There was a demand made of NATO and then Russia attacked the wrong country. Still Putin's War.
You're obviously a peddler of the Russian line. I don't know where you get it from. Maybe from too much admiration of our Orange Menace.
TaiwanIsNotChina
And if you think that happens without a Russian appointed fascist in charge of Ukraine, I don't know what to tell you.
TaiwanIsNotChina
You already lost Sweden and Finland to NATO and made generations of Ukraine hate Russia with the burning of a thousand suns. Slow clap I guess.
2020hindsights
falseflagsteve
No, there weren't. Russia's invasion is nothing to do with red flags being crossed. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is about imperialism.
UChosePoorly
Eastman - I said take it to the bank.
JJE
I said they were about to ramp things up. This is just the curtain raiser.
While that's a beautiful map at the end of article, we need a zoomed in version. And it doesn't sit well with those two muppets in the next photo.
Blacklabel
So never?
TaiwanIsNotChina
We need to stop this fantasy that Russia is ready for a ceasefire without conditions.
We demonstrate we have principles by showing that we oppose all bullies rather than giving a pass to the most recent.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Russia learned that they can pretend to be a party to Minsk along with several other nonsense reasons no one buys for war.
They don't have the will to die for Putin's glory.
Thankfully money and weapons are replenished easily. Russians will have learned that they still live in a murderous thug state that can grind them into dust at any moment. And no more future except as a puppet of China.
The EU has more people and the US, Canada, and Australia have more resources.
The only pounding they will be doing will be in their barracks as always.
Russia can't make a country neutral when it has attempted to subjugate its people.
No, we are not going to analyze a peace agreement that never happened until Russia collapses again and the FSB archives are opened again.
Ceasefires are unconditional and Putin doesn't want it.
TaiwanIsNotChina
You don't treat Ukraine as an equal when you think you can wear treat them like one of your abused conscripts.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Impolite to other user
JJE
Is that like the grenades with the whiskey bottle of the chief military aide... Looks like they are turning on each other. What this space.
UChosePoorly
Sorry, Russians, you guys are going to be crying for a ceasefire for a long time.
TaiwanIsNotChina
They have mines, they have artillery. That is the reality.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Impolite to other user is all you've earned today.
JJE
Peskov hits the nail on the head yet again.
Blacklabel
Well at least the little guy and his friends have 2 yachts now to sail away to their overseas mansions.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
Ukraine? - UK Ministry of Defence:
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3243011/russias-daily-ukraine-casualties-are-likely-higher-now-any-other-time-war-uk-intelligence"
It is.
The MoD said the figures are “plausible”, putting it down to mounting casualty figures from Russia’s attacks on Avdiivka, a small town on the edge of occupied Donetsk.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Ukraine was on the path to civilization without its horde state neighbor weighing it down.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
here were lines drawn by Russian and talks before the conflict began but they were ignored.
No, there weren't.
Irrelevant because Putin's imperialistic invasion has nothing to do with red lines being crossed.
John
The time for the midget from Moscow to do that was before his gambit failed, 2/3 of his armor was destroyed (including THREE NATO-facing Armored divisions) and his Black Sea “fleet” rendered combat ineffective.
But Putie isn’t that smart.
So the Russians get to freeze in unsheltered trenches with inadequate supplies and no air cover for the winter.
And then come the F-16s….
The Russians are leaving. The only question is how many Russians die first.
John
Slow day at the Embassy, Mr, “I am not picking a side”? (Stifles a snigger)
JJE
Look... there seems to be a level of confusion. The article even mentions they couldn't verify things.
There are no human wave attacks and there never were. There are however positional squeezes on fortified positions (mind you they have had 8 plus years to dig in) that takes time and artillery to smoke them out. Every night they drop the burning magnesium grad rounds on them to warm them up and light up the sky.
It's Donbas locals from the DPR militia integrated into the RAF 8th CAA that are doing the squeeze too.
kintsugi
70,000 Russian troops were killed. Some are released violent criminals sent to the front for their release. Murderers and rapists.
Blacklabel
Yet his side is not “nearly surrounded” right now, is it?
sure doesn’t sound like out of weapons or ammo either.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
"Irrelevant because Putin's imperialistic invasion has nothing to do with red lines being crossed."
Nope. It's imperialism, pure and simple.
John
Indeed, they’ve got all that crap DORK ammo banana peeling their barrels and pink misting their crews!
2020hindsights
JJE
Well if you call infantry attacks with no armoured support, where an average of 930 people die every day, not human wave attacks, I guess you are right.
Blacklabel
Then why are the Ukrainians still surrounded?
Blacklabel
Supposedly every day since when?
If this were the case couldn’t the Ukrainians manage to get “unsurrounded” by now?