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© Thomson Reuters 2022.Russia replaces Black Sea fleet chief after Crimea setbacks
By Natalia Zinets and Mark Trevelyan KYIV/LONDON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
23 Comments
UChosePoorly
Russians need to leave Ukraine while they still can.
Strangerland
Already too late for tens of thousands that never left Ukraine alive.
Laguna
Russian mothers need to call their sons home, or they'll return home in boxes. It will only get worse for them as Western arms flow in and US intelligence aids in targeting.
Desert Tortoise
What's interesting is these attacks do not appear to have come from missiles or drones but rather from ground operations by either local resistance groups or Ukraine military operating covertly.
UChosePoorly
TS - don't hate just because I can figure things out. It's what I do.
lincolnman
Or he made the smart move and retired early so he wouldn't become one more General/Admiral added to Ukraine's list...
Rodney
Ukraine attacked Russian territory, (difficult as a pacifist), but leveling Kiev would be a good start. The regime is bombing Europe’s biggest NPP to flush out Russian soldiers. Sociopaths. Nuclear experts predict serious consequences on at least 6 neighboring countries if Ukraine directly destroys the cooling buildings at the NPP.
hitting Crimea will make Russians very angry and increase pressure on Putin to do something more radical.
UChosePoorly
Rodney - are you really in favor of "leveling" Kyiv (which would imply massive civilian casualties) as a proportionate response to Ukraine's attacks on the Russian military infrastructure that is devastating their country? That would be a war crime, no? Do you think Russia would commit a war crime?
Blacklabel
so what happens when Ukraine missile attacks Crimea with US weapons and Crimean civilians are killed?
UChosePoorly
Blacklabel - Russia will probably bomb Ukraine some more. What do you think will happen?
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
If Russia doesn't want to be hit with Ukrainian missiles, they're free to live the occupied territories at any time. This includes Crimea.
tooheysnew
most of the world still recognises Crimea as Ukraine territory.
this is unproven Russian propaganda
they have already
wallace
Blacklabel
Today 11:37 am JST
Not according to the Ruskies. They claim it was sabotage.
Blacklabel
The West will run out of money/weapons they are willing to give for free, the US political environment will change after elections and Ukraine will be forgotten as an old topic that is no longer a priority.
Then Ukraine will negotiate a worse settlement that they could have done months ago.
Then they will ask the West to fund the rebuilding effort.
So now you can answer my question, or nah?
Blacklabel
Maybe so, because that is the convenient 2022 narrative. Russia has a historical claim, for sure.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Nope. Not likely.
lol Your question was answered, though you might not like the answer. The Russian army is free to go back to Russia any time it wishes.
UChosePoorly
Black - The "West" is going to continue to send money and weapons as long as they are being used effectively, which they are currently. Plus, it's the right thing to do when a country has been invaded as Ukraine has by Russia. This is actually quite bi-partisan as shown by the overwhelming support in Congress.
Ukraine's position is that they will drive the invaders out of their territory and it takes however long it takes. How long would it take for you to surrender some part of the US if we found ourselves invaded? Do you see how ridiculous this question sounds?
Of course, the West (and others) are going to help with the rebuilding effort. Sad that this has to happen, but the future will be even brighter for Ukraine after we kick the invaders out.
Sorry, what was your question? What do I think Russia will do in the event that civilians are killed by US hardware? I thought I answered it, but I will repeat - the Russians will bomb Ukraine some more, they will bluster a lot, and they will continue to do underhanded things to try and undermine unity in the Allied coalition.
Blacklabel
very interesting.
So now Crimea is actually Russia.
But when, and only when, Crimea is attacked by Ukraine.
So that when Ukraine kills Crimean civilians with US weapons, liberals dont have to hold them accountable.
Cause ya know, those Russians shouldnt be there!
Everyone else been saying Crimea is part of Ukraine and Ukrainians live there.
Interesting.
Blacklabel
are there any other countries that we demand a bright future for?
lets say Syria, or Yemen, or hey North Korea, Cuba?
Or only Ukraine?
Blacklabel
would never happen and if it somehow did, we have 330 million guns in private ownership.
not gonna end well for any invaders, and we dont need to demand the world to give us all their weapons and trillions of dollars. We would all come together as Americans and handle that business.
UChosePoorly
Crimea is Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory, and yes, Russians shouldn't be there unless invited. I would hope Ukraine doesn't target civilians. So far, they are attacking military and logistical infrastructure.
I wish every country a bright future free from violence and oppression. Have I said otherwise?
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
According to Russia.
Odd. Previously you've claimed you don't actually care what happens to Ukrainians but you now you're concerned about civilians in Crimea. Hey here's an idea: Don't go to occupied lands for vacation.
Are any of these countries asking for help from the US or Europe? There is a difference between these countries and Ukraine.
UChosePoorly
Well, we are very fortunate not to have a much larger aggressive neighbor who also has a lot of guns. Ukraine is not as lucky. Just like Americans would come together to defend against an invader, so should we come together to assist the Ukrainians, as I mentioned we have.