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Good. No security for one country, Russia, at the expense of another, Ukraine.

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ThubanToday 07:17 am JST

Avdiivka, which appears almost encircled by Russian forces.

The fall of Avdiivka -- a symbol of Ukrainian resistance since 2014 -- would be a significant loss for Kyiv.

Like Maruipol and Bakmut, it will fall.

NATO set 3 porcupine fortresses to stop the Russian army, Maruipol, Bakmut and Avdiivka.

Russian military planners set the following targets:

1: Maruipol in 2022

2: Bakmut in 2023

3: Avdiivka in 2024

The Russian military is actually ahead of schedule, Avdiivka will be cleared of Zelensky's forces by early 2024, maybe sooner.

One small town a year. That is impressive. How many vietnams will it take to get to Kyiv?

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All these three cities taken together are not just small towns (by the way, Mariupol is a city with half a million people). These are three well-prepared fortresses under American control with many-hundred-meter underground structures. Donetsk has been shelled from Avdeevka for years. It was from there that thousands of civilians were killed. Now the industrial area of Avdeevka is under the control of the Russian. This is a serious achievement.

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All these three cities taken together are not just small towns (by the way, Mariupol is a city with half a million people). 

Was.* Certainly not that large anymore. Also, Bakhmut and Avdiivka are considerably smaller than Mariupol, what most people would call a small town.

These are three well-prepared fortresses under American control with many-hundred-meter underground structures.

American control? llol Not even you believe this.

This is a serious achievement.

No it isn't.

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This is a serious achievement.

Russians love reducing Ukranian towns to piles of corpses and rubble. Reminds them of home.

Another Three Days and it should be theirs.

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Kuku

These are three well-prepared fortresses under American control

There are no cities in Ukraine under American control. America is not involved in this war.

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Russians love reducing Ukranian towns to piles of corpses and rubble. Reminds them of home.

They love invading sovereign nations on a land grab - and practicing genocide. After all, fascist Russia is the successor regime to the Nazis.

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Russia released thousands of dangerous criminals, murderers, and rapists to fight in Ukraine. While imprisoning people who have spoken out about the war.

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Ukrainians, retreating, bomb the abandoned settlements to ruins. Because they know that they are leaving places hostile to them with a population hostile to Bandera. Russians don't bomb for no reason!

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well if I read that America/I think USA?/is not involved in this conflict I think that someome may live on another planet.

this local conflict in UA is proxy war USA vs Russia.

just to be exact.

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America is not “involved” in the war is quite a disingenuous statement.

unless this is the new narrative for the failed proxy war now that it’s election time.

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KukuToday 08:20 am JST

Ukrainians, retreating, bomb the abandoned settlements to ruins. Because they know that they are leaving places hostile to them with a population hostile to Bandera. Russians don't bomb for no reason!

You're right. Sometimes they bomb to kill civilians or undermine economies (also a warcrime).

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KukuToday 07:56 am JST

All these three cities taken together are not just small towns (by the way, Mariupol is a city with half a million people).

Taken by surprise from a country of 44 million

These are three well-prepared fortresses under American control with many-hundred-meter underground structures. Donetsk has been shelled from Avdeevka for years. It was from there that thousands of civilians were killed. Now the industrial area of Avdeevka is under the control of the Russian. This is a serious achievement.

Whatever makes you feel like you are winning. Hope the hundreds of thousands of dead are worth it.

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"We finance – Ukrainians are dying": Hungarian Prime Minister has just revealed the EU strategy for Kiev. A similar thought was expressed by many leaders of the EU, NATO and AMERICA

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Blacklabel

America is not “involved” in the war is quite a disingenuous statement.

So how many American soldiers have died fighting for Ukraine? They certainly weren't involved in the three well-prepared fortresses that Kuku suggests.

unless this is the new narrative for the failed proxy war now that it’s election time.

It's not a proxy war.

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You need to stay out of telling Ukraine what to do

We can’t tell them what to do if We aren’t “involved”.

so what gives you personally the right to tell Ukraine what to do? your country is involved?

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But you know what we can do? Stop sending them our tax money to pay their government worker pensions and stop sending them weapons.

That’s the choice of the American people and there is an election coming up.

if politicians do the opposite of what the people want done with our money, they can be voted out.

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So how many American soldiers have died fighting for Ukraine? 

not the objective standard for being “involved” or not. We are arming then and funding them.

when you start with false premise it leads you to false conclusion.

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Whatever makes you feel like you are winning

this means only one thing: the Ukrainian authorities are killing their own people without any pity. By the way, now there are far from 44 million in Ukraine. Barely 25 million. Half of them ran away around the world, and the other half - in Russia. By the way, some Ukrainians who initially fled to Europe are now looking for opportunities to move to Russia. And one of the main reasons for this is the fact that in Europe children are being taken away from Ukrainians.

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Kuku

"We finance – Ukrainians are dying": Hungarian Prime Minister has just revealed the EU strategy for Kiev. 

Orban certainly doesn't speak for the EU.

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It also came as Ukraine is marking 10 years since its pro-EU Maidan revolution.

The whole reason for Russia's imperialism is economic. All they wanted to do was join the EU. Putin was not going to allow that to happen.

Shortly after Ukrainians overthrew a Moscow-backed regime in 2014, Russia annexed the Crimea peninsula and backed separatists in eastern Ukraine.

Russia continues to see the Maidan revolution as illegitimate and when it launched its full-scale offensive in February last year, it aimed to install a different government in Ukraine.

This is why Russia has lost this war, they failed in their objectives.

"In Kyiv ten years ago there was a coup with the use of force, the legitimate authorities were overthrown," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Sunday.

None of your business, but the legitimate authorities weren't overthrown, the president fled to Russia. Putin must have been so disappointed with his puppet.

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UA people are dying in name of US interests in this proxy conflict USA vs RU.

Business does not work well as planned as heroi are not advancing even 500m a day and their will and power to fight coming to the end.

Even all time western supplies of wunderwaffen did not help.

UA have lost and have no other choice just to negotiate about peace.

Possibly with new government in Kiev as recent junta will never negotiate with Russia and will prefer to dip UA in more serious problems.

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Eastman

UA people are dying in name of US interests in this proxy conflict USA vs RU.

The US have no interests in the region except to stand up to Putin's dictatorial imperialism. Unfortunately, Putin doesn't care about the 1000's of Russians dying daily to take Avdiivka.

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The US have no interests in the region

No idea what you are talking about...

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this conflict could end earlier than started.

if west did not underestimated Russia,its power and will to win and protect own national interests.

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Wallace.....

Russia released thousands of dangerous criminals, murderers, and rapists to fight in Ukraine.

This is not true, no rapists or murderers were part of the Wagner/prison release.

While imprisoning people who have spoken out about the war.

As has Ukraine.

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Mr Kipling

Russia released thousands of dangerous criminals, murderers, and rapists to fight in Ukraine.

This is not true, no rapists or murderers were part of the Wagner/prison release.

Well a mass murderer who ate his victims took a selfie of himself in Russian uniform, so...

While imprisoning people who have spoken out about the war.

As has Ukraine.

Umm. No. They haven't.

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EastmanToday 10:11 am JST

this conflict could end earlier than started.

if west did not underestimated Russia,its power and will to win and protect own national interests.

We only understand words coming out of mouths not sobbing from Putin's bedroom. The demands laid in front of NATO in February 2022 belonged in the garbage for the shameless disregard of NATO's national interests.

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BlacklabelToday 09:02 am JST

But you know what we can do? Stop sending them our tax money to pay their government worker pensions and stop sending them weapons.

A choice to surrender before contact with the enemy is exactly that. No amount of trying to circle back to the definition of "involvement" will change that.

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A choice to surrender

Who are we surrendering to? We aren’t even involved according to you so who are we fighting now and how can we surrender without being involved in it?

nonsensical.

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If we arent involved we can’t also make a choice to surrender. Have to be involved first.

we could only choose to stay uninvolved. Which would prevent any ability to surrender,

words like involved and surrender have defined meanings. You cant just throw them out there however you want to push a nonsensical story.

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"Governments get overthrown all of the time, including yours in 1991. "

That is certainly true. US has been very busy arranging things in that part of international arena in the last few decades as anyone with a cursory knowledge of world affairs knows well.

"In Kyiv ten years ago there was a coup with the use of force, the legitimate authorities were overthrown," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Sunday. - None of your business, but the legitimate authorities weren't overthrown, the president fled to Russia. ."

That is a nice way of saying things back to front. Yanukovich feld to Russia* because** *of the coup that overthrew him , not because he just decided to take a one way holiday trip one day out of the blue. A little disingenuous way of putting things, non?

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La vie douce

That is a nice way of saying things back to front. Yanukovich feld to Russia* because** *of the coup that overthrew him , not because he just decided to take a one way holiday trip one day out of the blue. A little disingenuous way of putting things, non?

No. There was no coup. Or imminent coup. Sure, things weren't going well for Yanukovich. But the day before he fled, Yanukovych and the leaders of the parliamentary opposition signed an agreement to bring about an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections.

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"The demands laid in front of NATO in February 2022 belonged in the garbage for the shameless disregard of NATO's national interests."

Those interests were to expand through Eastern Europe all the way to the Russian border. NATO's neocon overlords knew well what would happen when they decided to cross Russia,s red line.

"UA people are dying in name of US interests in this proxy conflict USA vs RU. -

The US have no interests in the region "

Really, US has no interest in a region bordering Russia ;)? Monsignor ,I,m certain nobody interested in geo-political issues would really believe that one little bit.

"We finance – Ukrainians are dying": Hungarian Prime Minister has just revealed the EU strategy for Kiev. 

Orban certainly doesn't speak for the EU."

But he speaks a head of a country that is EU member and as such he certainly knows more about EU policies / strategies than any one of us on this board.

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"No. There was no coup. Or imminent coup"

That sounds like Euromaidan was just a glamping event at a Kyiv city square.

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Mr Kippling

Moscow Times

Kremlin Says Convicts Fighting in Ukraine Atone for Crimes 'With Blood'

Tens of thousands of Russians convicted of violent crimes including murder and rape have been recruited to fight in Ukraine, being offered pardons and released from prison after serving on the front lines.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/11/10/kremlin-says-convicts-fighting-in-ukraine-atone-for-crimes-with-blood-a83070

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La vie douce

"No. There was no coup. Or imminent coup"

That sounds like Euromaidan was just a glamping event at a Kyiv city square.

Not really. It was a protest against the back track from joining the EU.

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La vie douce

"The demands laid in front of NATO in February 2022 belonged in the garbage for the shameless disregard of NATO's national interests."

Those interests were to expand through Eastern Europe all the way to the Russian border.

NATO's neocon overlords knew well what would happen when they decided to cross Russia,s red line.

If it crosses Russia's red line, why aren't they invading Finland? Because it wasn't crossing Russia's red line. Putin used it as a pretext to invade.

Really, US has no interest in a region bordering Russia ;)? Monsignor ,I,m certain nobody interested in geo-political issues would really believe that one little bit.

Their interests are to stop Russian imperialism

Orban certainly doesn't speak for the EU."

But he speaks a head of a country that is EU member and as such he certainly knows more about EU policies / strategies than any one of us on this board.

He doesn't care for the EU. He is talking for himself.

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It's not a proxy war.

With China partnering-up even more closely with Russia, to build a tunnel from Crimea, it looks like China might be using Russia; letting Russian soldiers be killed while China dreams of taking over Crimea (closer access to Europe) and turning Crimea into another place to build condominums and maybe a gambling mecca like Macau. I wonder whether the Russian-lovers in Crimea would enjoy having China control them. Doubtful the various Russian gangs in Crimea would be pleased, they've done well being Putin's boys, and probably want to keep that relationship going.

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Now wouldn't it be awkward, were Iran to calls Russia and asks whether they took delivery of the drones that they were flying over to them ?

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Dmitry Peskov got it right again.

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"Orban certainly doesn't speak for the EU." - But he speaks a head of a country that is EU member and as such he certainly knows more about EU policies / strategies than any one of us on this board.

"He doesn't care for the EU. He is talking for himself."

As he should, as Hungarian PM he was elected to look after the interests of Hungarian voters, not the whole EU. It doesn't negate the fact he knows more about EU policies than anyone on the JT board.

"NATO's neocon overlords knew well what would happen when they decided to cross Russia,s red line.

If it crosses Russia's red line, why aren't they invading Finland? Because it wasn't crossing Russia's red line. Putin used it as a pretext to invade."

If you notice I said NATO expansion through Eastern Europe ( not Scandinavia -Finland ), in particular Ukraine which has historically been intertwined with Russia. Finland and Ukraine would likely be apples an oranges from the Russian point of view in my opinion..

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La vie douce

"He doesn't care for the EU. He is talking for himself."

As he should, as Hungarian PM he was elected to look after the interests of Hungarian voters, not the whole EU. It doesn't negate the fact he knows more about EU policies than anyone on the JT board.

I don't know if he pays much attention, but it's kinda irrelevant.

If you notice I said NATO expansion through Eastern Europe ( not Scandinavia -Finland ), in particular Ukraine which has historically been intertwined with Russia.

As was Finland. But you seem to be falling over backwards to believe the NATO expansion pretext. It wasn't a factor.

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