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TaiwanIsNotChina
Good. No security for one country, Russia, at the expense of another, Ukraine.
TaiwanIsNotChina
One small town a year. That is impressive. How many vietnams will it take to get to Kyiv?
Kuku
All these three cities taken together are not just small towns (by the way, Mariupol is a city with half a million people). These are three well-prepared fortresses under American control with many-hundred-meter underground structures. Donetsk has been shelled from Avdeevka for years. It was from there that thousands of civilians were killed. Now the industrial area of Avdeevka is under the control of the Russian. This is a serious achievement.
Cards fan
Was.* Certainly not that large anymore. Also, Bakhmut and Avdiivka are considerably smaller than Mariupol, what most people would call a small town.
American control? llol Not even you believe this.
No it isn't.
ClippetyClop
Russians love reducing Ukranian towns to piles of corpses and rubble. Reminds them of home.
Another Three Days and it should be theirs.
2020hindsights
Kuku
There are no cities in Ukraine under American control. America is not involved in this war.
Fighto!
They love invading sovereign nations on a land grab - and practicing genocide. After all, fascist Russia is the successor regime to the Nazis.
wallace
Russia released thousands of dangerous criminals, murderers, and rapists to fight in Ukraine. While imprisoning people who have spoken out about the war.
Kuku
Ukrainians, retreating, bomb the abandoned settlements to ruins. Because they know that they are leaving places hostile to them with a population hostile to Bandera. Russians don't bomb for no reason!
Blacklabel
America is not “involved” in the war is quite a disingenuous statement.
unless this is the new narrative for the failed proxy war now that it’s election time.
TaiwanIsNotChina
You're right. Sometimes they bomb to kill civilians or undermine economies (also a warcrime).
TaiwanIsNotChina
Taken by surprise from a country of 44 million
Whatever makes you feel like you are winning. Hope the hundreds of thousands of dead are worth it.
Kuku
"We finance – Ukrainians are dying": Hungarian Prime Minister has just revealed the EU strategy for Kiev. A similar thought was expressed by many leaders of the EU, NATO and AMERICA
2020hindsights
Blacklabel
So how many American soldiers have died fighting for Ukraine? They certainly weren't involved in the three well-prepared fortresses that Kuku suggests.
It's not a proxy war.
Blacklabel
We can’t tell them what to do if We aren’t “involved”.
so what gives you personally the right to tell Ukraine what to do? your country is involved?
Blacklabel
But you know what we can do? Stop sending them our tax money to pay their government worker pensions and stop sending them weapons.
That’s the choice of the American people and there is an election coming up.
if politicians do the opposite of what the people want done with our money, they can be voted out.
Blacklabel
not the objective standard for being “involved” or not. We are arming then and funding them.
when you start with false premise it leads you to false conclusion.
Kuku
this means only one thing: the Ukrainian authorities are killing their own people without any pity. By the way, now there are far from 44 million in Ukraine. Barely 25 million. Half of them ran away around the world, and the other half - in Russia. By the way, some Ukrainians who initially fled to Europe are now looking for opportunities to move to Russia. And one of the main reasons for this is the fact that in Europe children are being taken away from Ukrainians.
2020hindsights
Kuku
Orban certainly doesn't speak for the EU.
2020hindsights
The whole reason for Russia's imperialism is economic. All they wanted to do was join the EU. Putin was not going to allow that to happen.
This is why Russia has lost this war, they failed in their objectives.
None of your business, but the legitimate authorities weren't overthrown, the president fled to Russia. Putin must have been so disappointed with his puppet.
2020hindsights
Eastman
The US have no interests in the region except to stand up to Putin's dictatorial imperialism. Unfortunately, Putin doesn't care about the 1000's of Russians dying daily to take Avdiivka.
Mr Kipling
Wallace.....
This is not true, no rapists or murderers were part of the Wagner/prison release.
As has Ukraine.
2020hindsights
Mr Kipling
Russia released thousands of dangerous criminals, murderers, and rapists to fight in Ukraine.
Well a mass murderer who ate his victims took a selfie of himself in Russian uniform, so...
While imprisoning people who have spoken out about the war.
Umm. No. They haven't.
TaiwanIsNotChina
We only understand words coming out of mouths not sobbing from Putin's bedroom. The demands laid in front of NATO in February 2022 belonged in the garbage for the shameless disregard of NATO's national interests.
TaiwanIsNotChina
A choice to surrender before contact with the enemy is exactly that. No amount of trying to circle back to the definition of "involvement" will change that.
Blacklabel
Who are we surrendering to? We aren’t even involved according to you so who are we fighting now and how can we surrender without being involved in it?
nonsensical.
Blacklabel
If we arent involved we can’t also make a choice to surrender. Have to be involved first.
we could only choose to stay uninvolved. Which would prevent any ability to surrender,
words like involved and surrender have defined meanings. You cant just throw them out there however you want to push a nonsensical story.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
No. There was no coup. Or imminent coup. Sure, things weren't going well for Yanukovich. But the day before he fled, Yanukovych and the leaders of the parliamentary opposition signed an agreement to bring about an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections.
wallace
Mr Kippling
Moscow Times
Kremlin Says Convicts Fighting in Ukraine Atone for Crimes 'With Blood'
Tens of thousands of Russians convicted of violent crimes including murder and rape have been recruited to fight in Ukraine, being offered pardons and released from prison after serving on the front lines.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/11/10/kremlin-says-convicts-fighting-in-ukraine-atone-for-crimes-with-blood-a83070
2020hindsights
La vie douce
"No. There was no coup. Or imminent coup"
Not really. It was a protest against the back track from joining the EU.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
"The demands laid in front of NATO in February 2022 belonged in the garbage for the shameless disregard of NATO's national interests."
If it crosses Russia's red line, why aren't they invading Finland? Because it wasn't crossing Russia's red line. Putin used it as a pretext to invade.
Their interests are to stop Russian imperialism
Orban certainly doesn't speak for the EU."
He doesn't care for the EU. He is talking for himself.
PTownsend
With China partnering-up even more closely with Russia, to build a tunnel from Crimea, it looks like China might be using Russia; letting Russian soldiers be killed while China dreams of taking over Crimea (closer access to Europe) and turning Crimea into another place to build condominums and maybe a gambling mecca like Macau. I wonder whether the Russian-lovers in Crimea would enjoy having China control them. Doubtful the various Russian gangs in Crimea would be pleased, they've done well being Putin's boys, and probably want to keep that relationship going.
JJE
Dmitry Peskov got it right again.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
"He doesn't care for the EU. He is talking for himself."
I don't know if he pays much attention, but it's kinda irrelevant.
As was Finland. But you seem to be falling over backwards to believe the NATO expansion pretext. It wasn't a factor.