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Some of the smuggled cargoes go to the Turkish domestic market, while some is exported via the Turkish Mediterranean ports of Iskenderun and Dortyol, the ministry said.

And some of it is shipped to Japan. Basically, Japan has been supporting IS.

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Is this the same kind of "proof" they used when determining their airplane crash in Egypt had nothing to do with terrorism...?

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Erdogan's son in-law is the National Minister in charge of Oil.

That is a fact.

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If Turkey is not buying oil from ISIS, one has to wonder what these thousands of ISIS tanker trucks are doing, which Russia has been hunting down, much to the anger of Erdogan? Transporting olive oil? Who does Erdogan think he is fooling? (Except Western politicians, that is...)

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Probably the same proof that was offered to show that Russians weren't involved in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. What a joke

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It would be more acceptable if they just release the satellite images so everyone can validate the proof.

I'm sure they will be in successions which are pretty difficult to doctor.

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Is this the same kind of "proof" they used when determining their airplane crash in Egypt had nothing to do with terrorism...?

Possibly. Or it could be the same "proof" they had that the Malaysia Airlines flight was downed by Ukrainian forces believing they were shooting at Putin's plane.

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@ White House regime spokesman Josh Earnest, how stupid do you think people are? Since ISIS oil is STOLEN from Syria and Iraq, why would Bashar al-Assad be buying back his country's stolen property?

The Kool-Aid is really strong today!

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The United States said it rejected the premise that the Turkish government was in league with the militants to smuggle oil. “We frankly see no evidence, none, to support such an accusation,” State Department spokesman Mark Toner said.

Frankly we only see what we want to see is the correct version.

Turkey had made progress in sealing its border with Syria, but Islamic State was still exploiting gaps to bring in foreign fighters and sell oil. They are making progress..now?...they didnt have years to do it? The "gaps" wouldn`t be there because they are allowed to be there now, would they....

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“The irony of the Russians raising this concern is that there’s plenty of evidence to indicate that the largest consumer of ISIL oil is actually Bashar al-Assad and his regime, a regime that only remains in place because it is being propped up by the Russians,”

Why Bashar Assad Won’t Fight ISIS

http://time.com/3719129/assad-isis-asset/

"Even from the early days the regime purchased fuel from ISIS-controlled oil facilities, and it has maintained that relationship throughout the conflict. “Honestly speaking, the regime has always had dealings with ISIS, out of necessity.”

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there’s plenty of evidence to indicate that the largest consumer of ISIL oil is actually Bashar al-Assad and his regime

Incisive journalism. Not. The Time article continues:

The Sunni businessman is close to the regime but wants to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions from both ISIS supporters and the regime

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Erdogan responded by saying no one had the right to “slander” Turkey by accusing it of buying oil from Islamic State, and that he would stand down if such allegations were proven to be true

If Russia had proof then they should share it with an international court and there should be serious repercussions for Turkey.

Let's see it Mr Putin.

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I always thought it's ridiculous that Turkey is a member state of the council of Europe, a member of the UN and also of NATO. They should be stripped of these memberships. It's almost like allowing isis themselves join the council of Europe! Bloody barmy!

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Incisive journalism. Not. The Time article continues:

The Sunni businessman is close to the regime but wants to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions from both ISIS supporters and the regime

Smart man. Did you have a point? Not, I guess.

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Let's see their proof first

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“The irony of the Russians raising this concern is that there’s plenty of evidence to indicate that the largest consumer of ISIL oil is actually Bashar al-Assad and his regime"

Time.com ...ok then...Wanna buy some real estate?

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Some of the IS oil exported from Turkey found its way to Japan. Think this will ever get out in Japan? Considering two of its nationals were beheaded, it would be quite embarrassing for Japan to have been indirectly supporting IS.

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Erdogan said he would resign if there is concrete proof too. I am interested in seeing what the Russians have.

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Is this the same kind of "proof" they used when determining their airplane crash in Egypt had nothing to do with terrorism...?

I'm not a fan of Russia, but I seem to remember the Russian authorities ALWAYS assumed terrorism was a possibility. What was not considered a possibility was the plane getting shot down by a surface to air missile.

That said, I wonder if this is the same kind of "proof" that is being broadcast in Iraq about American military helicopters re-supplying ISIS?

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Time.com ...ok then...Wanna buy some real estate?

That quote was from, WH spokesman, Josh Earnest. yes, please.

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Bush: Erdogan's son in-law is the National Minister in charge of Oil. That is a fact.

And Putin is a de facto dictator who can create any message he wants and distribute it to Russians. This is also a fact.

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That said, I wonder if this is the same kind of "proof" that is being broadcast in Iraq about American military helicopters re-supplying ISIS?

The tinfoil hat brigade broadcast the same messages here. And not just the paid Putinbots from St Petersburg. It kinda makes you wonder what and who's horse they have in this race.

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And Putin is a de facto dictator who can create any message he wants and distribute it to Russians. This is also a fact.

Is that any different from America where the CFR can create any message they want and distribute it to Americans?

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Putin alleges he has his proof. Let's not ignore the fact he is a notorious liar and that he continues to prop up the dictator Assad.

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That the American state department, which claims not to see the evidence that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, commits mass atrocities, and commits, as a founding principle, human rights abuses on so large a scale that they are literally recognized in international law as a crime against humanity, can't see the evidence even when Russia is rubbing their nose in it should not come as a surprise to anyone.

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Is that any different from America where the CFR can create any message they want and distribute it to Americans?

So, you admit Putin is "a de facto dictator who can create any message he wants and distribute it to Russians". Thanks. Tu quoque... doesn't always work well as an argument does it?

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Just watch the official statement of the Russian deffence minestry ---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQey-FCHhb0

And there will be more proofs.

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If the local tinfoil hat brigade claims that Erdogan is not buying stolen oil from ISIS, I wonder that they think is in the thousands of tanker trucks running between ISIS oil installations and Turkey?

Please?

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@presto345"Let's not ignore the fact he is a notorious liar".

Seems you have confused him to some classical dirty western politician like GWB or Tony Blair. I think Putin plays gentleman speaking to westerners about evidence of IS tanker trucks. Europeans and Americans are well aware of illegal oil business between IS and their Turkish friends. And European and American politicians will continue to cover are of Turkey by all possible means.

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bush: Is that any different from America

So how much longer do you think Putin will be in power? 10 years? 20 years?

The fact is I can't imagine Russia can produce any kind of evidence that they haven't already discredited themselves, especially the Russians on this message board. During the Ukraine crisis we were told photos can be Photoshopped, videos can be edited, audio recordings can be manipulated, Twitter accounts can be hacked, etc.

So what will they do for proof? Roll out some satellite photos and videos?

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SuperLib: The fact is I can't imagine Russia can produce any kind of evidence that they haven't already discredited themselves, especially the Russians on this message board. During the Ukraine crisis we were told photos can be Photoshopped, videos can be edited, audio recordings can be manipulated, Twitter accounts can be hacked, etc.

So what will they do for proof? Roll out some satellite photos and videos?

I found the proof!!!:

https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&q=putin+photoshop

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@SuperLib"The fact is I can't imaging Russia can produce any kind of evidence".

SuperLib, you have no much credibility here.

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