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It's just amazing that the fact neo-nazi thugs run four ministries in this "interim" Ukraine government--including the state security apparatus--is not newsworthy.

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One body was that of Volodymyr Rybak, a member of the same party as Ukrain's acting president.

The "acting prisident" was displaced by armed gangs in Kiev last winter. His surname is Yanukovich. Now, after coup d'etat a leader of armed gangs sits in top chair of Ukranian parlament. The US government supports him and his gangsters but it is obvious. The USA always support various trash, protecting US interests in variius parts of the world under concept of "controlled chaos". So, nothing strange when recently one of gangsters was found in a river inside eastern, mostly pro-Russian regions of Ukraine. Good riddance, so to speak.

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"Neo Nazi thugs"? i find ir hard to believe that there are any Neo Nazis in Ukraine. Ultra notionalists, yes, but Nazis?

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Russian citizens being attacked is an attack against the Russian Federation

Russian citizens living outside Russia are obliged to obey local laws. If they choose to illegally occupy government buildings they must be prepared to suffer the consequences. They are always free to return to Russia, and since they appear to like it so much I wonder why they don't.

For those talking about the "fascists" in Kiev: who was it who ordered snipers to kill peaceful protestors? It was the Russian puppet, Yanukovich. By doing that he forfeited his right to be president. It makes me laugh to hear these Russians talk of fascists: how would they describe Putin? And perhaps they can explain why Putin is so keen on devolved government in Ukraine when he has all but abolished it in Russia? Putin is nothing but a crook who portrays himself as a hard man, but is in fact too scared to run in a free and fair election.

If Russia claims the right to intervene in Ukraine because Russian citizens happen to live there then China also has the right to invade Russia if it feels the interests of Chinese citizens living in Russia's far east are threatened. The Russians should think carefully about the precedent they are setting. You might be able to invade a part of Ukraine today, but you will lose the entire far east to China in the future.

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If they choose to illegally occupy government buildings....they are always free to return to Russia...

Gangsters who displaced a legally elected President of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovich also had started their activity with rioting, setting government buildings on fire and killing members of riot police. It took place in Kiev and towns of western part of Ukraine. Besides, you have to understand a situation in Eastern Ukraine much more better. Russians have been living there for centuries, together with Ukranians. Therefore, they need not "to return Russia" from their own soil.

who was it who ordered snipers to kill peaceful protesters? It was the Russian puppet, Yanukovich.

Totally wrong. Yanukovich had already been displaced by that time. He had escaped to Russia prior to mentioned shooting. And sniper's kit was found among members of those gangsters who seized power in Kiev.

You might be able to invade a part of Ukraine today, but you will lose the entire Far East to China in the future.

First of all, China has no a great battle experience by comparison to Russians. Soviet Army defeated NAZIs in great battles on Russian soil and turned NAZI troops back to Europe. Russians know perfectly how to fight a huge attacking forces. This great experience has been studied and very well applied to war doctrine. Mind you, Russians are ready to set up many artificial thermonuclear suns right above heads of any possible aggressors. Russians know how to defend their territory from any possible attempts of invasions.

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"Neo Nazi thugs"?

It's a Russian thing. The further west your territory is located, the greater you must have been infected by the Nazi virus. Trust me: Voices from Russia will soon be accusing Poland of being "Neo Nazi thugs" - (and it doesn't take much historical knowledge to see how crazed that is).

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Lots of double standards on display over there - an "interim government "- basically representatives of demonstrators who overthrew a legitimate president ( even if he was unpopular ), set up barricades, occupied gov. buidings in Kiev a few months ago are now calling those who are in effect doing the same thing in the Ukraine`s east of being terrorists and launching military operation against them...their actions now are not any different from what Yanukovich did when he was in power.

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legally elected President of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovich

Haaaaaahahahahaaahhhaahahahaha.

http://www.skubi.net/ukraine/findings.html

So, here we have a guy whose "victory" in 2004 was ruled to be rigged, they had a revote, and he lost. Couple that with the fact that in the election he actually did "win," a whopping 5% of the population believed the election would be fair. Almost 7% said they would be willing to SELL their votes.

Now tell me, how, exactly, am I supposed to believe this guy was "legally elected?"

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It's a Russian thing.

Actually, it is not. Members of so-called 'Right Sector' and recent 'interim government' of Ukraine have been photographed and videotaped while taking parts in neoNAZI meetings and making infamous Zieg Heil gestures. You nay find photographs with Yatsenyuk in the Net and video with him on YT.

Now tell me, how, exactly am I supposed to believe this guy was "legally elected?"

Honestly speaking, I don't care what you're believe in or what you're ready to believe in. You source was taken from so-called 'yellow press'. I prefer to believe people from Eastern Ukraine who have been giving interview to various media (western and Russian) about casting their votes to Yanukovich.

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Sidekick, you want to be careful what you wish for. The Russian leadership isn't the only one with a big stick. Should Russia set up one of those suns you seem so proud of it would come to understand the term mutually assured destruction.

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The Russian leadership isn't the only one with a big stick.

True. But Russians know perfectly how to fight for their soil, even paying the ultimate price. World War II showed it very well. What about other owners of Big Sticks ? Are they ready to die for cheap political bubbles of western leadership ? Please, think about.

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Sidekick, Russia isn't under attack, remember? Any idiotic release of nuclear weapons would assure Russia's destruction. The other owners of big sticks hold them because, if needs be, they're prepared to take their enemies with them.

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“There is no reason not to believe that the Americans are running the show,” RT quoted him as saying.

OK

In the east, pro-Russian armed separatists have seized about a dozen public buildings

Yes, just as the Americans planned.

Looks like the Soviets will take steps to destroy Ukraine if they will not allow Putin to control it.

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Any idiotic release of nuclear weapons would assure Russia's destruction.

The initial conversation was about a possible response to full-scale attack of foreign armed forces on Russian territory, say somewhere on Far East. In that particular case, "releasing of nuclear weapons" as you have just called it, would not be idiotic. You can find and read some aspects of Russian military doctrine in WWW.

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I'm aware of Russia's past. Releasing even battlefield nuclear weapons in the face of an attack on Russian soil would be idiotic. It would hasten Russia's destruction from the inevitable escalation to a full nuclear exchange. I think even President Putin knows that. That's why I say you should be careful what you wish for.

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1) If Russia really wish/did lead those country, then all of this, what going there now, never happen! They can just help to stop demonstrations without any death like they did in Moscow btw... 2) Why Russian need to kill anyone in Ukraine, if they do, then why they didn't do same before???? In Ukraine revolutions happen every season... But people die when anti-russian revolution need more support. From history, this is most loved Western method "for change country politic - you need some blood"! 3) Who's the noisiest country in this story and who get all of profits? Who's made new contracts?? Who's economic became better of this all story???

When Lavrov speak about Russian citizens, he mean only Russian at Crimea, not Russian at Ukraine. Ukraine is other country and Russia wish to be friends, but fight in other country without request by legal government of those land, it not Russian way. Crimea people decide what they want, back to Russia where they suppose to be and except low % of Muslim people there, almost of all Crimean happy to back. And yes, there was be Russian army in Crimea, as it always was be at last 300 years(almost same time with USA as exist)... World politics agree with Republic of Kosovo, so why then not agree with Republic of Crimea??!

Ukrainian army did not killed any "terrorist" in Donetsk, because there no terrorist, there civil people, who tired of all this revolutions in Ukraine, and they not want to be case of civil war, especial when they not hate each other (at last someone be more smart and this is army people, nice). If Kiev want some, it doesn't mean that all country wish the same. And for other Ukraine (like those in Donetsk), Kiev government same terrorist with those one in Donetsk, just Kiev have support by many countries, but Donetsk fight by their own with hope on Russiabut Russia not support this. And many Ukrainian just fear to became terrorist for whole world by trying to tell what they really mean, so they are keep silence, but to be honest...

Russian and Ukrainian are same people, there are some difference, but even so, almost of people of both countries not hate each other. Why western media too paranoid that Russia wish to do some with Ukraine??? Actually, Ukraine gave Russia too much troubles all time of history and if Ukraine will run to Europe, again(!), Russia not lost a lot from this. So why everyone keep blaming only Russia??? This trouble only inside Ukraine political trouble and world shouldn't be involved in this, but where we will go without our favorite Avengers??? Hm, i can try to explain more issues, but guess no one really care to hear anything, what going out of their standards.

So, hope Europe will have fun with Chernobyl and if they wish to complain, they need to looking for Gorbachev.

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The EUS sure has made a fine mess of things there by instigating another convenient "regime change". How long is that list now? Start with Iran in 1953. But they're still sore that Cuba never buckled, though the Cuban people have been made to suffer by US sanctions.

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"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused the United States of being behind the political upheaval in Ukraine"

He would.

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The EUS sure has made a fine mess of things there by instigating another convenient "regime change".

Exactly. Given that no Western leader desires this distraction in the least, one can deduce that it was orchestrated by the West.

...the Cuban people have been made to suffer by US sanctions.

A half-truth is worse than a lie.

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Russia says it will respond if Ukraine interests attacked

And the US are saying the same thing. Which country now illegally and sneakily annexed a part of Ukraine? Which side is to cave in first? Which country has stationed tens of thousands of troups on the Ukraine border, first claiming it a military exercise but now to 'protect' a handful of Russians who decided Ukraine was a better place to be than Russia and now having a change of heart. And, yes, protection they do need after Russian thugs created a volatile situation in a neighboring independent state. It is clear Putin's mouthpiece Lavrov has nothing better to say, no proper explaining to do, except offering more threats through his buddy Putin.

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The President of the USA needs to make clear a attack on Ukraine is an attack on the USA. If Putin makes threats against the USA or its allies then back it with a DEFCON III alert. Doing nothing feeds Russian aggression and if not now with Ukraine than soon with a NATO ally.

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Which country has stationed tens of thousands of troops on the Ukraine border

Nothing unusual. For instance, the USA used to deploy troops anywhere in the world. Russia is independent contry and also can deploy troops anywhere, especially within Russian borders.

after Russian thugs created a volatile situation

You have to realize that the mentioned volatile situation was created in Kiev, a capital of Ukraine last winter where armed rioters seized a power after coup d'etat. FYI, among other actions, they declared ban to Russian language across Ukraine and urged all ethnic Russians "get back to Moscow". Ethnic Russians represent a mayor population of Crimea and South-East regions of Ukraine. After the mentioned coup d'etat, people of Crimea and regions of South-East had been shocked but quickly began to defend their rights and interests. That is why Crimea became a Russian piece of territory and that is why nowadays South-East parts of Ukraine also claim to make a referendum for autonomy . By the way, the fact that American and European politicians support gangsters in Kiev doesn't change a situation for ethnic Russians in Ukraine. People are well aware that Americans and Europeans very often support various trash across the Globe to pursue their own political agenda.

The President of the USA needs to make clear a attack on Ukraine is an attack on the USA.

It would be much more idiotic action for Obama than dancing and grimacing in front of ASIMO cyber toy.

Doing nothing feeds Russian aggression

If you wish, you may pick an assault rifle up and move to Ukraine. Try to stop Russian aggression. Or you can wait until American masters will order you to do it.

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If Russia still owned Alaska, do you think the US wouldn't have troops on the border?

Geesh!

A little more info, and what you won't read or hear from the main stream media.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/16/corporate-interests-behind-ukraine-putsch/

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FizzBit- finally someone with enough sense to do some research! Excellent find!

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sidekick: armed rioters seized a power after coup d'etat

The Ukraianian Parliament voted to strip Yanukovich of his powers and an election was called for May. If you have a problem with this, see them.

FYI, among other actions, they declared ban to Russian language across Ukraine and urged all ethnic Russians "get back to Moscow".

This is mostly a lie with a sprinkle of truth thrown in. An ill-advised bill was voted on but never passed into law, and it covered all languages, not just Russian. You have to be pretty daft to think that this caused Crimea to break away and insurgents to take over buildings in the East. And since we both know this is being coordinated by Moscow, obviously nothing is spontaneous or reactionary at all. If it were, Russian would have no need to send in "little green men" that Putin denied were there, then said of course they were there.

people of Crimea and regions of South-East had been shocked but quickly began to defend their rights and interests.

If I asked you to make that statement more vague, would you be able to? I'm assuming you're talking about the mythical Russian language ban again. Most of the Russian supporters here seem to think that is the cause behind everything and Putin was just sitting on the sidelines being a nice little boy. I guess that's what Russian TV has been reporting.

By the way, did anyone ever come up with proof that the West staged anything? You must have loads of it.

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Interesting article Fizzbit. I suppose the issues raised can at least be discussed in the west. Publishing a similar article in Mr Putins Russia would of course get the author special, unwelcome attention.

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presto345

Russia says it will respond if Ukraine interests attacked And the US are saying the same thing.

70 % population of Ukraine speak Russian , what about English ?

10 millions in east Ukraine - Russian - how much Americans, German , Japanese live in Ukraine?

Which country now illegally and sneakily annexed a part of Ukraine? Which side is to cave in first?

When Ukrain peacefully and voluntary joined Russian Empire - in year 1654 it was VERY small state like modern Hungary

So It was never big independent Ukraine like Spain or France

Now we talking about ex - Soviet province Ukraine

it was made so large for a better administration

Historically Ukraine is MUCH more smaller

Which country has stationed tens of thousands of troups on the Ukraine border, first claiming it a military exercise but now to 'protect' a handful of Russians who decided Ukraine was a better place to be than Russia and now having a change of heart.

Russian population of East Ukraine was NEVER asked in which respublic of USSR they want to live

They were not asked bout this in year 1991 (when USSR was collapsed)

They are not property of Ukrainian government (not legitimate one today)

Now they make a choice

This called - democracy if I not mistaken

Russian troops - on Russian territory just not allowed to start punitive operation by Kiev junta

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In what way is Russia interested in democrac? The democratically elected government of Ukraine received a signed treaty from Russia to respect its borders in exchange for giving back ex soviet nuclear weapons. Russia has shown no respect for that agreement.

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You're totally right SwissToni..........USA! USA!

Putin has no justification to fear America's democratic intentions. It's not like the US invades and bombs other countries killings tens of thousands of people, drones wedding parties, sends honorable whistleblowers to jail or make their life miserable, borrows money from foreign countries to keep their criminal banking system afloat while the middle and working classes continue to sink further into despair, strips away rights, spies on the world and their own citizens, uses their military for economic purposes, uses the corporate media to fester division, and the mother load of all, America does NOT lie to its people. I'm so glad that I never have to question anything my government is doing.

It's also nice to know that our previous leaders set us on a path to peace and prosperity

Like Patrick Henry

The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.

or Thomas Jefferson

A private central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army. We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.

or George Washington

Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.

I like Mr. Washington the best.

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SuperLib The Ukraianian Parliament voted to strip Yanukovich of his powers and an election was called for May. If you have a problem with this, see them.

It was a putsch in Ukraine - some deputies flee some were severely beaten by stoorm troopers

from many deputats voting cards were confiscated by force

This is mostly a lie with a sprinkle of truth thrown in. An ill-advised bill was voted on but never passed into law, and it covered all languages, not just Russian. You have to be pretty daft to think that this caused Crimea to break away and insurgents to take over buildings in the East.

To simplify - half of population - prefer Russian half -Ukrainian

But oficially - one language - Ukrainian

And people forced to speak Ukrainian - we see result in Crimea and in South east of Ukrain (most Russian -speaking)

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The Ukranian Parlament voted to strip Yanukovich of his powers....If you have a problem with this, see them.

Sir, I don't care about weak and desperate attempts of a trash from Trade Square (or 'Maidan', in other words), who seized a Parlament of Ukranian capital, to create some kind of legal pretext of 'removing Yanukovich of his powers'. They were riots and gangsters before seizing a power in Kiev and they still are. And yes, I have a problem. My problem is that I ain't Putin. If I were Putin, all those dirty trash from Maidan (Yatsenyuk, Timoshenko, Tyagnibok, Yarosch etc) would be already dead.

This is mostly a lie with a sprinkle of a truth thrown in.

Sir, this is not a lie but a plain truth. By comparison to you, I can speak fluent Russian and Ukranian as well as I can read written texts on mentioned languages . Furthermore, I have correspondents both from Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. No offence, but I doubt that you could even differ a Russian person from Chinese one. So, please, don't lecture me about current Ukranian affairs.

I'm assuming you're talking about mythical ban of Russian language once again.

Yes, you're making a lot of assumptions. Moreover, you have no basic knowledges about Russo-Ukranian relations but still dare to make assumptions.

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Putin today accused the entire internet of being a CIA operation... ever since his wife left him Putin has been flipping out!

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sidekick: I can speak fluent Russian and Ukranian as well as I can read written texts on mentioned languages . Furthermore, I have correspondents both from Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

Excellent! With such a close proximity to the situation I'd love to get your take on things. For example, in a recent press conference with Putin, the host declared the situation in East Ukraine to be "genocide." Is that typical of the media you are following? Is genocide happening? What about the three Russian news outlets that interviewed the same guy who gave three different names and three different explanations for his injuries? To what extent does that make Russian speakers skeptical of state-run media?

Have your friends in the area seen or heard of Russian troops coordinating anything on the ground there? Russia denies this, so I'm curious as to what your first-hand witnesses are seeing in East Ukraine. In Crimea, did the people there really form a spontaneous army capable of surrounding military bases? Putin denied helping, then admitted helping, so I'd be curious as to what really happened. Please fill me in about the military situation because I'd be worried if Russia has troops on the ground in another country while denying it.

What's your take on the claims that the West staged everything? You must have quite a bit of evidence if this is the position you are taking. I'd love to see it.

And finally, to what extent do you think Putin would allow the Ukraine to integrate with the West? Would you support a Russian invasion based on what you are seeing today?

No offence, but I doubt that you could even differ a Russian person from Chinese one.

No offence taken!

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You must have quite a bit of evidence if this is the position you are taking. I'd love to see it.

It goes both ways. Why don't YOU post any links or evidence? Everything else is just BS.

By the way, did anyone ever come up with proof that the West staged(coup) anything?

That has to be one of the funniest questions I've read on here.

The CIA/State Department usually try to keep these things as secret as possible. By the way, you do have a computer. Aren't you interested in the truth? Why don't you do any research. It's out there.

But you're lucky! Someone did intercept some telephone recordings of the planned coup.

Here, I'll help you get started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM

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Started? heh More like "started and ended." What you're listening to is one of the hundreds if not thousands of conversations about a dozen countries had when the crisis was happening, including Russia. I'm sure if you heard their conversations you'd hear the same things, plus the whole thing about ordering troops to take over Crimea. I'd also love to hear the conversations right before Yanukovych did a 180 on the agreement with Europe.

Do you think Putin did a lot of begging? My guess it was probably more like threats to a puppet. Yanukovych went against public opinion and started killing people so fast it was like his own life was in danger.

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