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Russia says its forces fully control Luhansk region in Ukraine

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Ukraine is spending 170 million s day on this war on this lost cause,come here be an adult , without saying Putin is the reincarnation of the Devil and least offer and off ramp for Ukrainain

-16 ( +6 / -22 )

Yes, Russians did capture  Lysychansk.

But at what price. A more or less completely destroyed city, most people fled, no working infrastructure, more resistance, sabotage acts, as well as guerilla warfare to come. Not talking about the hundreds or even thousands killed.

In addition, consider this another tactical retreat, shortening the front lines, setting up better defense and counter-attack positions for the days and weeks to come.

No, Russia is not winning this aggressor's war, until now there is no winner and only time will show who will be.

3 ( +16 / -13 )

You are part of Ukrainain problem,if you are not part of the Ukrainlan solution

-15 ( +5 / -20 )

Oh, and by the way, since now the whole Donbas region has been "liberated" (according to the Russian defense ministry!!), how about ending this war? I mean, that's what they said in the beginning, "liberating" those areas was their goal. But I guess you can't trust those Russian comments!

7 ( +14 / -7 )

Ok,you just admitted to the fact that Ukraine will never liberate the occupied area,then why exposed Ukrainian to more bloodshed

-14 ( +7 / -21 )

it seems that UA forces did "tactical retreat" again?

what will be their next "tactical retreat line"next line?

Tisa?

-4 ( +11 / -15 )

Eastman - have you even been following this conflict? The next line is around Siversk. The one after that is the Sloviansk-Kramatorsk-Bakhmut line. There is still a long way to go until the Tisza River, don't worry.

3 ( +10 / -7 )

Word has it that Russia is drafting citizens to repair damaged equipment, but that much cannot be repaired due to sanctions. Meanwhile, fresh NATO weapons are flowing to Ukraine. The tide will turn.

-4 ( +9 / -13 )

Eastman,

the next line will probably be Yalta - Kyrylivka - Berdiansk - Mariupol - and from there further North and East,

once - no WHEN those areas are liberated from the Russian aggressors. As for me, I can hardly wait to see this happening, because this will also mean the end of Putin's dream of a Greater Russian Empire!

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

Why in the hell are people,hellbent on proping up Zelensky,that man out of touch with thing on the battlefield, rambling how these mythical weapon are gonna liberate occupied Ukrainain lands,in Washington US policy makers are being questioned about Ukrainain end game,try too at least save some Ukrainain people

-8 ( +9 / -17 )

"Reuters could not independently verify the battlefield reports."

This could be said of almost ALL of the 'reports' that we seem to get exclusively from either Ukraine or the Western media and anything that Russia says that seeps through is cast in doubt. And much that is pertinent is NOT reported in Western media such as the UK government STEALING from the health and education allotments to Wales and Scotland to send and flush down the Ukraine another £1.5 Billion in future offshore band deposits...

3 ( +13 / -10 )

Give us more money and more weapons. Again.

-4 ( +10 / -14 )

OFFSHORE BANK DEPOSITS [damn rubber fingers..]

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

@ok1517

consider this another tactical retreat, shortening the front lines, setting up better defense and counter-attack positions for the days and weeks to come

Yeah, Nazy Germany's propaganda machine always said something like that after another German retreat.

the next line will probably be Yalta - Kyrylivka - Berdiansk - Mariupol - and from there further North and East

Gloomy Monday looks more nice after this good joke.

-3 ( +9 / -12 )

Yeah, Nazy Germany's propaganda machine always said something like that after another German retreat.

As I imagine the Soviet one did too. What's your point?

1 ( +10 / -9 )

Asakzaze,

of course it's smart to do a tactical retreat (exceptions prove the rule!):

George Washington's escape from New York

The march of the ten thousands (long ago, I know)

Allied evacuation of Gallipoli

And not to forget the Allies' retreat from Dunkirk

Sometimes the internet can provide you with quite some useful information, if you haven't heard about those historic events before.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

@UChosePoorly

What's your point?

It's rather simple to understand for those ready to think: after fiery speeches by Zelensky "the fate of Donbass will be decided at Severodonetsk and Lysychansk" it's obvious that despite all their efforts the Ukroforces were soundly beaten and some nice camouflaging words are needed to cover that. And yes, the fate of Donbass is decided, it will be free from Ukraininan opression.

@ok1517

Sometimes the internet can provide you with quite some useful information

I strongly recommend you to discover the wonders of books. May be old-fashioned, but much more imformative and interesting.

0 ( +10 / -10 )

Asakaze - interesting, so you think that Ukraine is not going to try and get its territory back? I definitely would take that bet!

5 ( +11 / -6 )

It’s just prolonging longer to get as much money and as many re-sellable weapons as possible by now.

-6 ( +7 / -13 )

So, to summarize, Russia has turned a rich land into a lunar *****, earned generational bitter hatred of the Ukrainian people, fundamentally undermined their own economy and military for years, reaped the enmity of the Western nations for decades to come, strengthened the alliance of nations militarily arrayed against them for no strategic purpose, and generally have made themselves international pariahs in the eyes of most of the civilized world (in which I do not include those ruled by the thugs in Beijing.

Well done Putin.

2 ( +13 / -11 )

Reuters could not independently verify the battlefield reports.

Question.

Why this article is published as "news" and why we have to believe that facts written in article are true and correct ones?Any ideas anyone?

Did you ever heard abt term fake news?Or say one sided propaganda?This is exact example of both.

-2 ( +7 / -9 )

@UChosePoorly

interesting, so you think that Ukraine is not going to try and get its territory back?

No, they woud not. First, they do no have the resources, their best and most experienced units are decimated. They still have a lot of freshly mobilized cannon fodder, but lack hardware. In the Lysychansk pocket they lost up to seven hundred AFVs, MLRS, guns etc. No replacement for that, no NATO transfers will help much.

Second, the regime actually does not want to reconquer Donbass, they know that the locals just hate them and wait for the Russians. That's why Ukroforces fire at Donbass cities with such abandon - they know it is not their land, not their people.

I think that instead of attempts to reconquer Donbass the regime will concentrate on holding the ground where it can. Local counterattacks are possible, but nothing like the surprise counteroffensive at Ardennes in 1944.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

Asakaze - ok, I think we will have to just agree to disagree. Time will tell who has the more accurate prediction.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

ok1517Today  07:38 am JST

Yes, Russians did capture Lysychansk.

But at what price. A more or less completely destroyed city, most people fled, no working infrastructure, more resistance, sabotage acts, as well as guerilla warfare to come. Not talking about the hundreds or even thousands killed.

In addition, consider this another tactical retreat, shortening the front lines, setting up better defense and counter-attack positions for the days and weeks to come.

No, Russia is not winning this aggressor's war, until now there is no winner and only time will show who will be.

Putin musta thought he could win this one easily, that Ukraine would be under his control by now. He guessed wrong. And wait when the autumn and winter comes, and those sanctions will really kick Russia *where it counts!*** Just watch. **

0 ( +8 / -8 )

@UChosePoorly

ok, I think we will have to just agree to disagree. Time will tell who has the more accurate prediction

Fair enough. Wait and see.

@The Avenger

So, to summarize, Russia has turned a rich land into a lunar *****, earned generational bitter hatred of the Ukrainian people

Ukraine has turned a part of itself into a lunar *****, earned generational bitter hatred of the people of Donbass who will never return to Ukraine (if it keeps to exist in the fiture, what is very unlikely).

@starpunk

And wait when the autumn and winter comes, and those sanctions will really kick Russia *where it counts!*** Just watch. **

I've waited for this kicking from 2014. So far a major disappontment. By the way, how are gas prices in US and EU? How is the inflation? Still think you are winning the sanctions war? Well, then just keep doing what are doing now. You are for a crude shock when the autumn and winter come. Just watch.

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

@Asakaze,

luckily I belong to the generation which was provided with books (used for education purpose) and also the internet.

@Eastman,

yup, we definitely know the difference, since the former PotUs also loved to use those "fake businesses".

5 ( +9 / -4 )

(if it keeps to exist in the fiture, what is very unlikely).

What are you predicting will happen to Ukraine and the Ukrainians?

4 ( +7 / -3 )

@ok1517

luckily I belong to the generation which was provided with books

Wonderful! Then read more history books to understand the context of the conflict.

@UChosePoorly

What are you predicting will happen to Ukraine

As a state Ukraine is a dead man walking. Even before the war it was economically not viable, it spend much more than it earned. Now it just lives on Western loans and handouts, and it will not long forever. Socially it also almost dead, too many Ukrainians are eager to say buybye to it. A lot of Ukrainians want to reunite with Russia, a lot of Ukrainians want to emigrate to EU. I think most part of the Ukrainian territory will reunite with Russia, may be some regions will be absorbed by Poland (that is the country eager to remake its past glorious empire), a small part will be integrated in Hungary (there is a Hungarian minority that does not care about the Ukrainian state).

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

Asakaze,

done this, done that, don't worry!

Concerning "A lot of Ukrainians want to reunite with Russia,....", where did you get that information?

I must assume you have connections in Ukraine, people you speak with?

1 ( +8 / -7 )

Asakaze - that is a rather specific prediction, and one I have heard from the Russian side before. I disagree with your prediction, but like you said, time will tell!

3 ( +8 / -5 )

What is there left for the Russian Government to liberate?

The Russian Government have stooped and picked up nothing, other than a population full of hate.

Insurgency, followed by decades of resistance and guerrilla warfare.

What goes around will inevitably came around.

0 ( +8 / -8 )

Asakaze - I see NATO, the EU, and others helping Ukraine until hostilities cease, sure. I know that this is a fairly bipartisan issue in the States. I will continue to encourage my elected representatives to help support Ukraine against the invasion.

1 ( +8 / -7 )

Give us more money and more weapons. Again.

Wars cost money. Americans should understand that better than anyone.

2 ( +7 / -5 )

@UChosePoorly

I see NATO, the EU, and others helping Ukraine until hostilities cease

As if they don't have their trainloads of problems. Well, if you have extra money to burn...

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

Everyone's got problems. Ukraine has more than most right now, so we will continue to help them out.

1 ( +9 / -8 )

Well, that's your prediction. I predict that Ukraine is still here for a long time to come.

3 ( +9 / -6 )

I mean, at the very least, do you think that Ukraine will still be here at new years? I am curious as to the timeline of your prediction.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

I predict that Ukraine is still here for a long time to come

I can't figure out whether you are really such an optimist, or you are just ill-informed.

do you think that Ukraine will still be here at new years?

Can't predict any exact timetable, too many factors. At the New Year - may be. But I'm sure it won'be around in the next year.

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

Good news. Now time for the $508 million worth guy to sign a peace treaty and save his people and release the opposition from prison. Good timing before winter. Russia is waiting and ready for his ego to deflate.

-1 ( +6 / -7 )

And I could say the same about you! Ok, good, thank you for for your prediction. You sound pretty sure of yourself! How do you know that isn't a bit of Dunning-Kruger?

1 ( +6 / -5 )

I am curious what factors/events might cause you to revise your prediction?

1 ( +6 / -5 )

Rodney - how would dooming his people to Russian rule be considered "saving" them? Also, who would you like to see him release from prison? Do you have names?

2 ( +7 / -5 )

@UChosePoorly

I am curious what factors/events might cause you to revise your prediction?

Major and very successful Ukrainian offensives (and I can't see them coming), and major improvements in the Ukrainian economy that just won't materialize (after all we live in a real world, not fantasy lands).

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

Wars cost money.

Why does this one mostly cost American money?

-5 ( +4 / -9 )

Ukraine has repeatedly appealed for an acceleration in weapons supplies from the West, saying its forces are heavily outgunned.

Why aren't the Europeans bearing the brunt of the costs?

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Black and painkiller, Europe and others are assisting Ukraine as well. It’s not just the US.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

UChosePoorlyToday  02:22 pm JST

Black and painkiller, Europe and others are assisting Ukraine as well. It’s not just the US.

Is there any European country that has provided more financial aid than the US?

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

Is there any European country wealthier than the US?

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Ok, thank you for predictions and for sharing your thought process, Asakaze. Let's see how our predictions play out.

3 ( +8 / -5 )

I'm ok with helping Ukraine against Russian aggression. It's the right thing to do. Would you have been against Lend-Lease in 1941 as well?

4 ( +9 / -5 )

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