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Russia says it shot down Ukrainian drone near airbase

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Ukraine has offered peace talks starting with them getting their land back and a chunk of Western Russia as well.

Russia should take it.

7 ( +20 / -13 )

Ukraine has offered peace talks starting with them getting their land back and a chunk of Western Russia as well.

Russia should take it.

It seems it won’t be accepted because they want Russia to face a war crimes tribunal first.

4 ( +12 / -8 )

Rodney

This article is so biased. The four regions plus Crimea are now part of Russia. Ukraine is the aggressor.

And yet, the UN recognise them as part of Ukraine, so I guess the article is correct.

Why it’s never mentioned that Ukraine is constantly indiscriminately shelling civilians in cities like Donske?

Because they aren't. They are shelling military targets. Don't mistake Russia's tactics with Ukraine's.

12 ( +23 / -11 )

Bronco

It's clear that Zelensky's forces have no hope of taking back area from the separatists.

How so?

A peace deal is in the works, that's why Zelensky went to Washington, Biden told him that the gig is up and it's time to cut their losses.

Do you have any sources?

6 ( +17 / -11 )

The midget from Moscow should realize that the time when Ukraine stops fighting on its own land and starts holding targets in Mother Russia at risk is nigh.

6 ( +19 / -13 )

The speak Russia, have Russian culture, democratically overwhelmingly voted to Join Russia, and hold Russian passports.

how exactly does that make them Ukrainian?

-14 ( +11 / -25 )

All prisoners will be released and returned to their families. 

Prisoners? I keep hearing your team gleefully commenting on the fate of those ‘captured’.

“Russia's Tass news agency reported Monday that the country's security forces had killed four Ukrainian saboteurs attempting to enter the Bryansk region from Ukraine. The report claimed the infiltrators carried explosive materials when they were caught Sunday.”

-4 ( +7 / -11 )

The mean age of new conscripts into the UA was just under 50 years-old a few days ago. By now, it's probably over that. Keeping in mind 16 year-olds who completed Azov Battalion training camps have been called up which would of course help bring the mean age down.

It's a real tragedy for Ukraine but a lesson on what will happen if the masses allow NATO via it's pet reactionaires to stage coups and take control in any country. In Europe they do it with Nasties. In the Middle East they use radical Islamists. In South American they use military juntas. And everywhere they succeed is a disaster for the society of that country.

-7 ( +9 / -16 )

how exactly does that make them Ukrainian?

It could be explained to you at great length yet again, but I doubt you’d get it.

Speaking Russian does not mean that the land you live in is Russian. Otherwise Switzerland would not exist.

7 ( +15 / -8 )

The whole separatist deal is a sham, the Minsk agreement not worth the paper it was written on.

The idiot in Russia has made a complete mess that he can't resolve.

It will end badly for Putin and the Russian people

6 ( +14 / -8 )

One drone shot down - many others impacted!

I mean, it's not as if Russia was really prepared to defend their own land.

Contrary to what Ukraine achieves, with a success rate of roughly 80%+ and moving forward.

Concerning President Zelenskyy's visit to the US:

more support from the Biden administration! Great!

Concerning those fake referendums in the illegally occupied areas:

Ukraininas were deported - Russians moved in - this wasn't a democratic referendum!

But, whatever ....

Ukraine prevails!

5 ( +15 / -10 )

Russia wont stop until they get what they want. They will not give back this land willingly, and they certainly wont stop until Ukraine agrees to not joining NATO. Russia has an almost endless supply of resources, and they can pump out their inferior military tech at a much faster rate than the west can supply Ukraine with theirs.

-2 ( +9 / -11 )

Good. Ukraine is the winner already and will take back their stolen land from the evil that is known as putin.

6 ( +12 / -6 )

Russia wont stop until they get what they want. They will not give back this land willingly,

Only one of the 4 oblasts is completely liberated. According to the Russian constitution they cannot and will not stop until all 4 are completely liberated. Putin said about 2 weeks if the majority of the citizens of Odessa and Chernigov want to join Russia (which they certainly do), they might be allowed. Of course if you look on map, that would mean Nikolayev and Kharkov oblasts would need to be liberated as well.

they can pump out their inferior military tech at a much faster rate than the west can supply Ukraine with theirs.

Pure fantasy. The only military tech NATO has superiority in is in illegal biological weapons.

-13 ( +6 / -19 )

Only one of the 4 oblasts is completely liberated.

None of them are liberated, they are under partial occupation by russia. They will be liberated, though.

democratically overwhelmingly voted to Join Russia, and hold Russian passports.

how exactly does that make them Ukrainian?

There was nothing democratic about illegal 'referenda' held at the point of a gun, after most of the population had been removed, and with the 'result' known before any 'voting' took place.

The occupiers confiscated Ukrainian passports and issued russian tat in their place. Doesn't make the people russian. It makes them occupied, held captive.

If there were a minority who genuinely wanted to be russian thy could have simply emigrated to russia, been given a house and a job - a lot easier, cheaper and less harrowing for all concerned than starting a war. And Vlad cold have been a hero, instead of a vile, lying, murdering, land-grabbing warmonger putting his own people through a meat grinder.

9 ( +16 / -7 )

Rodney

The speak Russia, have Russian culture, democratically overwhelmingly voted to Join Russia, and hold Russian passports.

how exactly does that make them Ukrainian?

Because they live in Ukraine.

7 ( +14 / -7 )

Chabbawanga

Russia has an almost endless supply of resources, and they can pump out their inferior military tech at a much faster rate than the west can supply Ukraine with theirs.

Is that why Russia is using 40-year old rounds as their artillery?

6 ( +13 / -7 )

Russia wont stop until they get what they want. They will not give back this land willingly, 

Then the UA will take it by force and a whole lot of Russians are going to die.

That’s also an option.

1 ( +9 / -8 )

Ukraine need to step up the bombing inside Russia while talking up a one-sided peace agreement.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

The speak Russia, have Russian culture, democratically overwhelmingly voted to Join Russia, and hold Russian passports

russias treatment of people in the illegally occupied areas and indiscriminate targeting of civilians has wiped out any pro Russian feeling in the majority of russian speakers. Zelynskyy is a russian speaker. The referendum were faked from beginning to end and no one wants to be lumbered with a russki passport.

2 ( +9 / -7 )

Russia wont stop until they get what they want. They will not give back this land willingly, and they certainly wont stop until Ukraine agrees to not joining NATO. Russia has an almost endless supply of resources, and they can pump out their inferior military tech at a much faster rate than the west can supply Ukraine with theirs.

In militarily critical areas the Russians lack resources, and knowledge. Russia doesn't make modern semiconductors or the most advanced chipsets. Russian firms have always purchased them from abroad. Now access to them is cut off. The technology to make them is all owned by US companies and now highly restricted, The Russians do not make modern avionics for commercial aircraft (necessary for their aircraft to be certified to fly anywhere outside of Russia). Those come from western firms and the supply is cut off. Likewise for western turbofan engines. Russia doesn't make a reliable high powered turbofan engine. Even Russian produced commercial airliners use western engines so they can pass certification. The Russians are cut off from replacement parts for all of their Antonov build aircraft. Russian auto plants are all shut down. Same for the plants that make their tanks and military vehicles. Much of their modern military vehicles use engines made by Cummins. No parts for those any more and no new engines either. The Russians don't make a suitable replacement for most of the vehicles that use Cummins engines because the one Russian diesel is a V-8 and doesn't fit in the hole the Cummins engine fits into (like the Tigr 4WD truck for example). The Russians are resorting to cannibalizing household appliances for semiconductors. Virtually all of the equipment and technology for oil drilling is made in the US and as with semiconductors is now restricted. Even Chinese made oil rigs rely on US made equipment. Nobody else makes it. As oil and gas field equipment in Russia wears out or fails there are no replacements for them and their oil and gas output will gradually decline as a result It won't happen overnight but give it a couple of years and you will see. Venezuela and Iran have faced the same problem with no resolution.

0 ( +6 / -6 )

I think you meant to sent this wish list to Santa.

> A peace deal is in the works, that's why Zelensky went to Washington, Biden told him that the gig is up and it's time to cut their losses.

The only question is where the line will be drawn.

Russia will get the 4 separatist provinces and a guarantee of non-aggression and neutrality and Kiev might get to keep Odessa along with a deal on discounted Russian gas and oil.

All prisoners will be released and returned to their families.

India and/or Turkey will mediate.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

Is that why Russia is using 40-year old rounds as their artillery?

use your older stuff first, obviously.

Or are they "running out" of weapons again for the 10th month in a row?

-10 ( +7 / -17 )

Peace will prevail at the end!

WHEN Ukraine prevails and the Russians are gone.

Finished that one for ya.

You’re welcome.

9 ( +14 / -5 )

Meanwhile, thousands of innocent people have been killed in Ukraine because of Putin’s & Russia’s war crimes.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

Eastman, if I never agreed with you - this time I do!

"Peace negotiation first than recognizing of new UA borders.No other way to stop this."

Let me translate this:

RuSSia will recognize and accept that the "new UA borders" include Crimea and all other temporarily occupied areas! RuSSia will pay reparations and return all ooted property! RuSSia will confess to the deportation and abduction of thousands of Ukrainians, including children and return them, too. RuSSia will agree to have an international court prosecute Putin and other war criminals!

It's so easy,isn't it?

Ukraine prevails!

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Eastman

near future may confirm my words written above.

Right, and I might win the lottery tomorrow. Not likely!

8 ( +11 / -3 )

there is always reason for some action.

and in the case of invading Ukraine it was the ego of the insane, warmongering, imperialist Putin.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

Russia have no reason to discuss about peace if there will be no one to listen about their reasons for their actions as for every serious negotiation you need two equally serious parties.

boohoo Maybe the Russian invaders should have thought of that before invading. No one cares how the Russian government tries to post hoc justify their imperialist incursions.

4 ( +9 / -5 )

This is a propaganda war only. Ukraine is slowly being eradicated. Russia has all the time in the world.

This must stop now.

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

Then the UA will take it by force and a whole lot of Russians are going to die

Aaaaaaand thats how you get nuclear war

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

It's 2022. War is lame.

What a bunch of retards, bullies, and selfish people.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

This drone is symbolic of the Ukraine determination to begin hitting Russia where it hurts, inside Russia, and to do so only targeting military targets. That it can cross the border and fly hundreds of kilometers inside Russia without detection is an indication of just how vulnerable Russia is. If waves of these drones can be launched and a percentage can hit their targets, Russians will panic and demand Putin sue for peace.

This article is so biased. The four regions plus Crimea are now part of Russia. Ukraine is the aggressor.

According to whom? Those occupied regions of Ukraine, remain Ukraine territory. Just because the invaders claim to own someone else's land does not make it so, or make it legal in an international way. Ukraine has never had any national vote on the matter so clearly, legally the territories all remain Ukraine.

Russia is clearly the aggressor in this invasion.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

One outcome for sure is that Ukraine will have to borrow lots of money for reconstruction at onerous rates. And when it cannot repay, it’s lands will fall into American corporations like it has been the case in many countries that have been invaded.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Eastman,this the last handout for Ukraine,their is no guarantee,they will get all the appropriated by Republicans

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

Blacklabel

Is that why Russia is using 40-year old rounds as their artillery?

use your older stuff first, obviously.

Ummm, no you don't! Older stuff is so much less reliable, and at the start of the war they were using the new stuff.

5 ( +11 / -6 )

Aaaaaaand thats how you get nuclear war

Aaaaaaand the Russians know that too.

They’re evil. They’re not stupid.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Eastman

just to make sure.and avoid any misunderstanding.

Russia have concerns abt NATO forces near russian borders and have concern about UA to join NATO as well.

No they haven't. The whole concern about NATO is a pretext to war. As is concerns about nationalism.

Russia have concerns about human rights,violence against russian people living in eastern parts of UA/Lugansk,Donetsk/.

No, they don't. And its not their country, so not their concern. Hitler said that he had concerns about German people living in Czeckoslovakia as a pretext to annexing it.

Russia have concerns about open nationalism in UA and many nationalist violent groups/Azov for example/.

No they don't, and their aren't many nationalists. Russia would have a similar number, but you don't see Ukraine invading Russia to sort out their nationalists.

Russia as nuclear country have own national interests and security concerns-other side have to clearly understand.

Yes. And their have been no threats to Russia.

good point may be remake of Minsk agreements or upgrade these as situation on the ground now and before is very different.

but again-there must be serious will to negotiate from side of west as all we know how Minsk agreements have failed as there was no real interests to keep conditions from west and UA side.

That's because Russia has no right to be part of the Minsk agreements in the first place. They illegally started the war in the Dombas that has lead to the need for peace.

Ukraine needs to take back the Dombas to preclude the need for Minsk agreements at all.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

Awa no Gaijin

This drone is symbolic of the Ukraine determination to begin hitting Russia where it hurts, inside Russia, and to do so only targeting military targets. That it can cross the border and fly hundreds of kilometers inside Russia without detection is an indication of just how vulnerable Russia is.

Hogwash !

Russia will use it as an excuse to officially declare war on Ukraine.

They already have. What can they do more than what they are already doing?

You seriously think Russia is that vulnerable ?

Yes, they obviously are. This is the second time that they have been invaded and the result looks like they can't use Engels airbase anymore for attacks on Ukraine.

Putin is looking for justification to use lethal force to end the war quickly.

What can they do more than what they are already doing?

4 ( +7 / -3 )

It’s gotten to the point where Putin is afraid to step outside.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Ummm, no you don't! Older stuff is so much less reliable, and at the start of the war they were using the new stuff

Kinda like when I get a new delivery for the pantry.

To make space for the new I clear out the stuff that needs to be used that has been sitting around a while first.

-11 ( +2 / -13 )

Blacklabel

Ummm, no you don't! Older stuff is so much less reliable, and at the start of the war they were using the new stuff

Kinda like when I get a new delivery for the pantry.

To make space for the new I clear out the stuff that needs to be used that has been sitting around a while first.

Pretty sure that military doctrine, strategy and tactics and what you do with the food in your pantry are two completely different things.

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Concerning the re-construction of Ukraine and debts that Ukraine won't be able to pay back:

Don't worry, there are billions of $$ in RuSSian frozen assets. The free world will be more than happy to donate and provide that money to Ukraine (which is already being considered and will soon happen).

In reference RuSSia worried about Ukraine (and others) joining NATO: may I remind you that NATO was designed as a defense organization - to counter the former Warshaw Pact, which is gone and has been replaced by RuSSia. The only aggressor's force, invading sovereign countries is .... RuSSia.

And finally: "Russia have concerns about human rights.....", they better have, because RuSSia is kicking human rights with her feet!

Ukraine prevails!

1 ( +5 / -4 )

Pretty sure that military doctrine, strategy and tactics and what you do with the food in your pantry are two completely different things.

Not really. Use old stuff that is about to expire for non critical things. Seems would apply in any situation.

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

Blacklabel: . Use old stuff that is about to expire for non critical things. Seems would apply in any situation.

Do you have any evidence for this?

8 ( +9 / -1 )

Blacklabel

Pretty sure that military doctrine, strategy and tactics and what you do with the food in your pantry are two completely different things.

Not really. Use old stuff that is about to expire for non critical things. Seems would apply in any situation.

Obviously not. Because Russia didn't use their older shells first. They used their newer shells first. The reason why you don't want to use old shells is not just that they may not go off, they may be unstable and go off in the artillery launcher.

Maybe they should listen to Blacklabel's military doctrine in the future.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Not really. Use old stuff that is about to expire for non critical things. Seems would apply in any situation.

Yes really. Properly stored munitions can last many, many decades.

Also, unlike your pantry, using older, less accurate shells and weapons, means more soldiers are likely to die.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Do you have any evidence for this?

They are using old stuff in coordination with new stuff? So they aren’t out of old stuff nor new stuff.

-11 ( +2 / -13 )

Their trucks don't even have engines.

Exactly. their soldiers don’t even have socks or blankets. All they have left is 40 year old ammo.

where is the threat?

-12 ( +2 / -14 )

Properly stored munitions can last many, many decades.

like 4 decades? that’s not even “many, many” decades yet.

So nothing really wrong with using those then?

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

Blacklabel: They are using old stuff in coordination with new stuff? So they aren’t out of old stuff nor new stuff.

Any evidence for this?

6 ( +7 / -1 )

The "threat of Russian aggression" is a myth.

Nonsense. They're invading Ukraine, obviously. They're just really bad at it.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

Any evidence for this?

sure, the recent attacks that used new stuff. that Russia did.

unless that was Ukraine, not Russia?

I just want to get this wrapped up so I don’t have to endure a halftime speech by Zelensky and a tribute to Ukraine by a bunch of grinding dancers at the super Bowl.

wrap it up. No weapons, no clothes, Russia cant attack anymore, right? It’s over.

-13 ( +1 / -14 )

The original aim of an organisation can change over many decades. NATO was formed to counter the USSR and when that fell the NATO member countries decided to keep the pact for a united defense.

Putin has proved they made the right decision.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

So nothing really wrong with using those then?

Sure, if you don't mind more of your own soldiers dying!

5 ( +7 / -2 )

You said many, many decades so the Ammo is still fine.

-12 ( +1 / -13 )

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