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Russia, Ukraine to sign deal on restarting grain exports, Turkey says

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The whole thing is a farce. Russia is set to export more extra grains compared to last year than Ukraine exports total.

The food crisis is real. Or will be because except for Russia, China and India, food production is way down due to sanctions on Russia. Sanctions which were lifted just 2 days ago by Europe. It's not as if EU politicians care about the Global South starving but they care about the Global South blaming the collective West, not Russia, which is precisely what they are doing according to EU bureaucrats as high as Josep Borrell.

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Turkeys the winner. The grain will go to turkey, be processed, and turkey will sell it the world market at inflated prices.

sorry Turkiye

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 Moscow had complained that its shipments were hurt by Western sanctions.

The above is rich, the sanctions came about primarily because Russia invaded its neighbor and has kept on warring there.

Russia, the global alt right's favored nation cares nothing about grain shipments outside the Russian Federation. Let the little people outside Russia drink rot gut vodka, while Putin eats caviar swilled down with French wines. Plus I thought the Putin brand of national socialism supporters and others in the global alt-right had been saying Putin and those in Russia's ruling caste were actually getting richer since the sanctions were put in place. Getting richer while many risk starvation, the current Russian ruling caste are little different from the tsars and other putative royals of old. And Putin and his oligarch's palaces are said to be more ostentatious than the tsar's.

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Pelosi is forcing Blinken to declare Russia a terrorist,or she will introduce a resolution declaring Russian one,closing all farther diplomatic channel with Russia

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Pelosi is forcing Blinken to declare Russia a terrorist,or she will introduce a resolution declaring Russian one,closing all farther diplomatic channel with Russia

Would it be possible to have a grammar and punctuation bowl included in the word-salad bar?

Don’t put it next to the space bar or it will be overlooked as well.

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Starvation, climate change, a population of 8 billion people….It’s madness to be making the planet more unlivable than it already is.

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Far be it from me to step on your special talent.

Not mine, but left sure love to make living from it.

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Why do libs try so hard to be condescending?

Let’s make it all about American right wing politics.

Whatever the topic, this is what matters most

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It's not as if EU politicians care about the Global South starving but they care about the Global South blaming the collective West, not Russia, which is precisely what they are doing according to EU bureaucrats as high as Josep Borrell.

Only 4 out of 55 African leaders in the Africa Union attended a video conference with Zelensky last month, despite heavy pressure from EU countries. Seems the Africans haven't forgotten the Russian support for their anti-imperialist movements in the dying years of colonialism.

https://multipolarista.com/2022/06/22/africa-zelensky-call-neutrality-ukraine/

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Alfie, Zelensky thought he could bully Biden,Biden call him out for not taking the invasion seriously, Ukrainain are mostly insecure,they use of getting their way by extortion

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long story saying nothing about why ukrainian grain could not be exported.

it was because of mines in UA ports set by UA navy.

this is called proUA mainstream propaganda and this article is exact piece of one.

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Hope a deal pushed through

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Lol

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Seems the Africans haven't forgotten the Russian support for their anti-imperialist movements in the dying years of colonialism.

Amen brother Alfie, Russia is great and very anti-imperialist, which is why they're invading, and annexing, Ukraine.

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Eastman,the Ukrainlan mafia will get their share, Ukraine just devalued their currency by 25 percent,you will be pissed , knowing your money lost value over night, meaning they steal 25 percent more aid money paid in dollars and euros Google Ukrainain Mafia

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Amen brother Alfie, Russia is great and very anti-imperialist, which is why they're invading, and annexing, Ukraine.

Yeah, because what's happening in Ukraine is exactly the same as 500 years of European genocidal colonialism and resource looting in the Global South.

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YrralToday 08:49 am JST

Eastman,the Ukrainlan mafia will get their share, Ukraine just devalued their currency by 25 percent,you will be pissed , knowing your money lost value over night, meaning they steal 25 percent more aid money paid in dollars and euros Google Ukrainain Mafia

Well UA is known as very corrupted country for decades where mafia have real power in country and connected with oligarkhs...this is nothing new for me.

Feel sorry for ordinary UA citizens who had no choice but to stay in UA even until now.

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Yeah, because what's happening in Ukraine is exactly the same as 500 years of European genocidal colonialism and resource looting in the Global South.

Yawn, they don't have to be "exactly" the same, whatever that means. If one is anti-imperialist, why give Russia a pass on their imperialism now? I suspect, the answer has more to do with anti-western imperialism, than imperialism itself. Do you not thing Russia is engaged in imperialism in Africa now? Of course they are.

Also, 49% of all weapons exported to Africa come from Russia. Yes, I'm sure the arms trade between Africa and Russia has nothing to do with the fact that only a handful of countries in Africa joined the call with Zelensky. https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/sanctions-against-russia-will-affect-arms-sales-to-africa-the-risks-and-opportunities/

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OK if we can get by the inevitable "Russia's fault for invading" common reply to everything. We are all aware of that and repeating it will not change the fact of the present situation.

Lets look at a few things that are perplexing if not strange.

The EU just 2 weeks ago when the African Union president accused the Sanctions of being a problem because their members couldn't buy cheap grain from Russia, the reply was "it is Russia blocking Ukraine grain , food isn't part of the Sanctions"

The AU reply was *we aren't buy Ukrainian grain and you (The EU and USA) are blocking our SWIFT payment to Russia"

So apparently the African Union was correct:

Although Russia's ports have not been shut, Moscow had complained that its shipments were hurt by Western sanctions. The United States and the European Union have both adjusted their sanctions recently to spell out more clearly exceptions for Russian food and fertiliser exports.

So clearly the EU was playing games.

Ukraine and Russia are both among the world's biggest exporters of food, and Ukraine's ports, including the major hub of Odesa, have been blockaded by Russia's Black Sea fleet.

Yes all true except the little omission as to why the last several attempts to reopen the port failed.

Ukraine has been boasting for several weeks it is amassing a large force in the exact area and going to launch a major offensive. (All this available on BBC CBC, etc..)

True or false, just bluffing, etc... doesn't matter, if Russia think a major attack is going to come from that location, there is no way it will ease any blockade or troop strength around the area.

So again yes yes yes it is all because Russia invaded, we know that but repeating that doesn't make the problems go away and no Russia isn't going to just pull out and go home, so drop that constant wast of time.

What is needed to avoid famine in many places are realistic and practical solutions.

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why give Russia a pass on their imperialism now?

Historically speaking, it seems you don’t understand what imperialism looks like. Certainly a case can be made that Russia had had enough of Ukraine bombing and terrorizing Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens near the Russian border.

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OK if we can get by the inevitable "Russia's fault for invading" common reply to everything. We are all aware of that and repeating it will not change the fact of the present situation.

Yes, so let's completely avoid the topic, and the fact that Russia is in the process of annexing Ukrainian lands. Who cares about that, right?

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Certainly a case can be made that Russia had had enough of Ukraine bombing and terrorizing Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens near the Russian border.

Yes, and that sounds very much like the justification for invading Sudetenland.

Regardless, Russia "growing tired" of fighting in Ukraine hardly justifies annexing Ukrainian lands.

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takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com

Today 09:51 am JST

OK if we can get by the inevitable "Russia's fault for invading" common reply to everything. We are all aware of that and repeating it will not change the fact of the present situation.

> Yes, so let's completely avoid the topic, and the fact that Russia is in the process of annexing Ukrainian lands. Who cares about that, right?

Here is a simple logical question!

Is Russia going to suddenly decide to pull out and go home?

The simple answer is NO.

You know that, I know that, the only possible person that may think it will is living in his mother's basement and hasn't been out of the house in a decade.

So now the thinking people know this, so working around this is the only solution for now.

Being pig headed and going " it is all Russia's fault, they have to leave" and not doing anything else will only lead to million facing starvation and I don't mean in Ukraine, those nice white refugees are getting fast tracked into anywhere they want in the EU, UK, USA, Canada Australia NZ. It will again be the people in Africa, Asian , etc..that pay the price for another pigheaded European vendetta war.

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Antique, you a business person, Ukrainain just devalued their currency 25 percent to the dollar,would a smart Ukrainlan flee Ukraine since the government stealing their money to launder billion in Foreign aid

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Yes, and that sounds very much like the justification for invading Sudetenland.

Ah the attempt to make the N association.

Well let's see. Was it Russia that in 2015 made a Fas...t group that participated in E cleaning national heroes?

No it was Ukraine it is Ukraine we see the equivalent to the German N flag flying The UPA OUN Red and black.

It was the 2015 law in Ukraine making OUN UPA National heroes that upset Poland Lithuania and Israel.

Here is and excerpt of OUN Ukraine national heroes policies:

ethnic Russians, Poles, and Jews that are hostile to us are to be destroyed in struggle, particularly those opposing the regime, by means of: deporting them to their own lands, eradicating their intelligentsia, which is not to be admitted to any governmental positions, and overall preventing any creation of this intelligentsia (e.g. access to education etc)... Jews are to be isolated, removed from governmental positions in order to prevent sabotage... Those who are deemed necessary may only work under strict supervision and removed from their positions for slightest misconduct... Jewish assimilation is not possible.

This is only a small part of what the OUN UPA stood for and the killings they were involved in, this is a group the present Ukrainian government chose to make national heroes.

So now tell us how nice and good the Ukrainian are!

Remember the most corrupt country in Europe is Russia closely followed by Ukraine that in the international scale is below the Philippines and just above Sierra Leone.

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Yrral

Today 10:08 am JST

Antique, you a business person, Ukrainain just devalued their currency 25 percent to the dollar,would a smart Ukrainlan flee Ukraine since the government stealing their money to launder billion in Foreign aid

The major officials and Ukraine oligarchy have already ran and moved theur money.

What is perplexing me are the number on male refugees arriving in places like Canada despite a ban on 18 to 60 leaving Ukraine and that plenty of Doctors are among the refugees and complaining they cannot work as doctors in Canada.

Ukraine is at war why are so many Doctors now in places like Canada?

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Spare an thought for Mikhail Gorbachev, a man of peace, a true visionary, ended the cold war, Gorbachev reforms and policies of 'glasnost' and 'perestroika' gave Russians hope, a taste of freedom.

All now a distant memory, dismantled at the hands of Putin the brutal dictator, tyrant and war criminal.

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Regardless, Russia "growing tired" of fighting in Ukraine hardly justifies annexing Ukrainian lands.

Actions have consequences. Ukraine was already a de-facto NATO military with all the training and cohesion. Silly for politicians and folks to think this would go unnoticed. Russia has been complaining for years. Where were you?

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 Ukraine was already a de-facto NATO military,

well it is now thanks to Putin, Ukraine get to test all those westerns weapons on Russian targets

soon to make NATO greater again with Finland and Sweden.

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Ukraine is at war why are so many Doctors now in places like Canada?

cant stop everybody from leaving, you make it sound like Ukraine a country of 40million doesnt have their own doctors

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Russia, Ukraine to sign deal on restarting grain exports, Turkey says

Now here we got a lot of negative sh.t said about Turkey ( much of the true) but in the present situation it seems that Turkey is the only one of the NATO countries thinking with it's head and not feelings.

Turkey understood Russia wasn't going to just walk away, Turkey understood that Sanctions were only going to cause Russia to dig in deeper and not budge, Turkey understood that no way of talking if the only one to talk to is part of your problems.

Turkey has gotten the anger of the west and NATO but unless someone stepped up to be semi neutral nothing was going to change.

I expect that the USA, EU or Ukraine will somehow mess this up by starting an offensive in the export area before the grain is shipped, or as Ukraine say it will do, it fires HIMARS into Crimea before the deal is complete.

If there is one thing the EU and USA hate is Turkey looking good.

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well it is now thanks to Putin

I take it you mean half of Ukraine, since Putin is taking the other half.

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Russia, Ukraine to sign deal on restarting grain exports, Turkey says:

Would anyone trust the unreliable and flippant Turkish leaders?

Lately, they appear to bent on making fraudulent news to deliberately project the president's image on international political arena..

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Spare an thought for Mikhail Gorbachev, a man of peace, a true visionary, ended the cold war, Gorbachev reforms and policies of 'glasnost' and 'perestroika' gave Russians hope, a taste of freedom.

All now a distant memory, dismantled at the hands of Putin the brutal dictator, tyrant and war criminal.

Mr. Gorbachev failed to reform the communist party, created a post of President appointed by the Congress of People's Deputies. As an unelected President he found he had no credibility and this undercut his authority. He allowed greater press freedom which allowed many economic problems to be revealed for the first time, but by not reforming the Communist Party and addressing these problems he opened himself up to the coup that followed.

Boris Yeltsin basically dissolved the USSR, allowing nationalist sentiments to arise and probably the worst thing was his horribly botched privatization of the Russian economy after the breakup of the USSR. His failed leadership created the space for Vladimir Putin to emerge and seize power.

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soon to make NATO greater again with Finland and Sweden

Not unless they change certain things, Turkey will be the one to determine that.

And no NATO cannot kick Turkey out, doing so would reinforce the already long help belief that NATO is a white Christian club.

Only 2 Muslim countries and only Turkey is of any size or force.

cant stop everybody from leaving, you make it sound like Ukraine a country of 40million doesnt have their own doctors

Actually Ukraine asked Canada the USA, UK and EU to reject all males between 18 and 60 as refugees and they supposedly agreed.

Ukraine is openly pleading for foreign medical personnel to go to Ukraine to help.

So which is it , Ukraine has plenty of Doctors or Ukrainian need foreign doctors help?

I still find it amazing at how fast and how many Ukrainians got into Canada, The USA EU UK Australia as refugees in comparison to how slow and few Syrian refugees got the same chance,

I wonder what was different between the two? ( Yes sarcasm)

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I said it then and say it now, when Russia invaded Donetsk and Crimea in 2014 Mr. Obama should have deployed the 88th and 101st Airborn Divisions to Ukraine, mobilzed air power to Europe and gave the Russians 72 hours to cease military operations and withdraw or else. The US and UK guaranteed Ukraine's security when the Ukrainians agreed to relinquish all the former Soviet nuclear weapons left over from the dissolution of the USSR. The US should have called on UK to contribute forces. That agreement gave the US and UK every right to defend Ukraine from a Russian attack. That was a great failure on the part of the US and the rest of the west to stop Russia early. Now the situation is much worse but morally the US and UK in particular have an obligation to help Ukraine defend itself.

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Desert Tortoise

Today 11:09 am JST

Yeah and started WW3 nuclear war.

Genius!

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Desert, I believe Gorbachev took the first steps.

Gorbachev offered an agenda for a treaty to eliminate medium-range nuclear missiles from Europe leading to the signing of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty late 1987.

My Russian friends are split between hero or traitor.

This Ukraine war is out of control, famine, the threats of nuclear Armageddon. rampant inflation, accusations of energy security blackmail.

And now Ukraine assembling a million man army, that could lead to all out war and the annihilation of Ukraine's country and culture.

Where is this heading?

Analysts are suggesting that it is only a question of time before Europe as a continent gets dragged into a potential apocalypse.

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(Opposed to dumb wars) Obama should have deployed the 88th and 101st Airborn Divisions to Ukraine

He was too busy doing his own LARGER imperialism thang. Sheesh! Even Time magazine wrote about his “endless wars” which includes Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq and Syria.

Whadayou talkin about? World War III, that’s what.

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Notice the numbers at the bottom. I just love it when I see folks on here up voting World War 3 and potentially the death of the human race.

I said it then and say it now, when Russia invaded Donetsk and Crimea in 2014 Mr. Obama should have deployed the 88th and 101st Airborn Divisions to Ukraine, mobilzed air power to Europe and gave the Russians 72 hours to cease military operations and withdraw or else. The US and UK guaranteed Ukraine's security when the Ukrainians agreed to relinquish all the former Soviet nuclear weapons left over from the dissolution of the USSR. The US should have called on UK to contribute forces. That agreement gave the US and UK every right to defend Ukraine from a Russian attack. That was a great failure on the part of the US and the rest of the west to stop Russia early. Now the situation is much worse but morally the US and UK in particular have an obligation to help Ukraine defend itself.

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Which country will demine the shipping lanes? Which country will protect the grain ships leaving Ukraine? Will Russia expect some payment for allowing the grain to leave? Who will inspect the incoming ships for weapons?

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wallace

Today 12:06 pm JST

Which country will demine the shipping lanes? Which country will protect the grain ships leaving Ukraine? Will Russia expect some payment for allowing the grain to leave? Who will inspect the incoming ships for weapons?

Guess you didn't read the article, did you?

Before last week's talks, diplomats had said details of the plan included Ukrainian vessels guiding grain ships through mined port waters. Turkey would oversee the inspection of ships to allay Russian concerns they might bring weapons to Ukraine.

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Antiquesaving

the sea lanes would have to be demined not just Ukrainian ships guiding cargo ships through them because otherwise those commercial ships will be refused insurance. Mines can break away and become a real danger to shipping.

But Ukraine does not want to demine because it fears Russian ships will enter those ports.

Demining is very slow work even if the locations are known. I served on a minesweeper.

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Demining is very slow work even if the locations are known. I served on a minesweeper.

Again didn't read!

No mine sweeping or removal.

Ukrainian vessels guiding grain ships through mined port waters.

In the article!

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Antiquesaving

I will give you the benefit of the doubt not knowing all commercial shipping requires insurance. Lloyds of London will not insure any ship passing through a minefield. They have already declared all Russian seas of high risk.

They have a Joint War Committee to decide on risks. If they do insure the costs will be very high pushing up the price of the cargo.

If Lloyds does not provide insurance there will be no grain cargos.

The war in Ukraine could cost insurers billions of dollars in claims, with the aviation insurance sector alone facing potentially the biggest loss event in its history due to the hundreds of planes grounded in Russia.

https://www.ft.com/content/e62df5f9-1716-4220-b583-91ba24d4cfb2

There is clearly a risk to vessels trading in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov and that probably will give rise to the engagement of war risk clauses.

Additional war risk premiums for calls in the region are already in place, and some owners are understood to have invoked force majeure clauses that provide a complete walk-away answer.

No insurance no cargo ships. War risk insurance higher cargo prices.

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I am not suicidal and not trying to start WWIII and get everyone nuked. But I am of the strong opinion that a display of overwhelming military power combined with the credible threat to use it can get adversaries to reconsider aggression and back down. It is how you prevent nuclear war.

If the US had stopped Russia in 2014 there would not have been a threat of nuclear war. Faced with overwhelming US force Russia would have backed down. They didn't have the military power or the economy to go head to head with the US. They would not have used nuclear weapons over Ukraine. That is still probably true. Russia isn't going to risk complete and utter annihilation over Ukraine just as the Soviets lost Afghanistan and didn't resort to nuclear retaliation.

If you recall the situation you had unmarked Russian infantry sort of oozing over the border from Russia with Russia claiming they were really Ukrainian rebels. It was a different situation than today. The Russians were not suicidal and faced with a large and rapid deployment of US forces on the ground and in the air the Russians would have retreated.

If you don't stand your ground you will lose it. The US, UK and the other signatories to that treaty let Ukraine down when Russia invaded in 2014, setting the stage for today. There is a lesson here for US and allied defense of Taiwan. If China ever makes a move to invade Taiwan the US and its allies have to respond rapidly and in great force to prevent the war from escalating further. If there is contact between forces you make that first engagement so costly and such a resounding butt kicking that they won't risk tangling again. That is how you stop wars. No sane leader sends their forces to certain defeat. Make it plain to your enemies that pursuing an invasion attempt will be defeated.

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