Russia unleashes large drone attack on Ukrainian capital ahead of Kyiv Day

Hmmm, rather different than an earlier report I read about this which didn’t contain the emotional nonsense we see from the mate of Zelensky and the French fellow.

I prefer to stick with the facts, rather than have one side tell me what to think, thank you.

Putin continues with his horrendous attacks on civilian targets having completely destroyed the city of Bakhmut.

"a flagrant violation of international humanitarian law.

"These unacceptable acts constitute war crimes and cannot go unpunished," the French foreign affairs ministry said in a statement."

I hope Putin the war crim will get the punishment he deserves.

Wallace

Hopefully and maybe, not really bothered personally you see. Both sides have zero respect for human life on the other side or their own men capable of firing a gun.

Putin and Zelensky are surrounded by yes men, mates they know for years, Putin from the KGB and Zelenskys from his home town.

Putin needs to withdraw and pay up for his death and destruction. He has broken so many treaties. What ones has Zelenskyy broken? Did he abduct tens of thousands of Russian children and take them to Ukraine? 8 million Ukrainians have fled his destruction to other European countries.

wallace

Only time will tell what terrors these evil men have committed. What we do know is that both are cads who hide their illicit gains in offshores accounts, shut down media and those who oppose them.

So glad I don’t have to live in one of those nations, the poor citizens, it’s very upsetting.

Only time will tell what terrors these evil men have committed

By “evil men” you mean Russians and we don’t need time. We already know. We have the bodies and the evidence to tie their torture and murders to the Russian army and to the Murderer of Moscow.

He’s already an inductee in the war crimes HOF, or had that escaped your notice?

Both sides have zero respect for human life on the other side or their own men capable of firing a gun.

Complete and utter rubbish. Russia chose to invade Ukraine. The only choice Ukraine has is to fight back.

Cards Fan

like is say everyday, the world is nit black and white mate. Read the history between these two nations especially the last decade and what occurred.

unleashes large drone attack

I fear we may see such future horrific headlines as acquisitive oligarchs leverage the technological advances of this age.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7news.com/amp/killer-drone-viral-video-drones-simulation-facebook/2664980/

like is say everyday, the world is nit black and white mate. 

Some things are, like this.

Read the history between these two nations especially the last decade and what occurred.

I'm fully aware of how the Russian state has been funding separatists in Eastern Ukraine for nearly a decade. This isn't new information.

ffs

Only time will tell what terrors these evil men have committed. What we do know is that both are cads who hide their illicit gains in offshores accounts, shut down media and those who oppose them.

Produce some real evidence. Putin does not need to hide anything.

The future of human conflict is drone wars. How terrifying...

FFS you really think you are the first commenter espousing 'neutrality' and 'both sides are bad'? This kind of shtick might have worked in Feb 2022, but it's not Feb 2022 anymore. We see you and those like you.

It’s not even strategic bombing. . . it’s terrorism.

Vladimir Putin, Josep Stalin’s follower, is attempting to bomb Ukraine back to the stone age.

2 for 54? I guess at this point it's just so the Kremlin can look like it's doing something, no matter the effectiveness.

Absolute savagery.

Why isn't Ukraine attacking the Russian Capital?

Why isn't Ukraine attacking the Russian Capital?

Because they aren't the absolute savages the moscovites are.

LOL....All that "falling debris" hitting warehouses and transport hubs.

Putin attempts to terrorize the Ukrainian citizens while his sympathizers attempt to muddy the water and paint Ukraine as an evil regime. Not working on both accounts.

FFS

like is say everyday, the world is nit black and white mate. Read the history between these two nations especially the last decade and what occurred.

The history of Ukraine and Russia can be boiled down to: when Ukraine wanted to join the EU, Putin realised that he was losing influence in Ukraine and ordered troops into the Dombas to stoke a civil war, and annexed Crimea. Last year Putin escalated to imperialist invasion to take the whole country.

This isn't a two sides thing, blame is 100% on Putin. It's blatant imperialism.

You are being pretty generous using the plural forms here.

LOL....All that "falling debris" hitting warehouses and transport hubs.

@FFSteve both are cads who hide their illicit gains in offshores accounts

Why would Putin have to hide the trillions he's got from embezzling, when he controls all aspects of government. And also because Putin knows the Russian people are terrified of asking any questions, therefore they won't challenge him or his fellow kleptocrats. Putin is the Russian leader until 2036, unless the Russian ruling caste want him to stay even longer.

Putin's providing the Ukrainian Patriots with lots of practice and I predict that by the end of this year Putinomics will have shot its wad when the Russians finally get tired of winning and will be forced to remove their little ruling runt from his throne.

It is a crime to post photos and videos of Russian attacks( for security and propaganda purposes) so we are left with Kiev's version of 52 of 54 being shot down and only debris causing damage. Do so many posters on here really believe this or are they just wishful thinkers?

Moderator: Please note it is Kyiv, not Kiev.

Mr Kipling might be right to an extent. I certainly don’t believe Russia doesn’t target civilians.

Putin is the Russian leader until 2036, unless the Russian ruling caste want him to stay even longer.

I watched "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3" last night with our 8yo. Towards the end as the good guys in Knowhere attacks the bad guys on Arete and it becomes apparent to his subordinates that the HIgh Evolutionary (top bad guy) is leading them to disaster, his subordinates turn on the High Evolutionary and kill him. Watching that scene I could not help thinking this is Vladimir Putin's fate. He would not be the first Russian leader to go out that way.

Desert Tortoise- spoiler warnings.

Putin's providing the Ukrainian Patriots with lots of practice.

I highly doubt Ukrainian forces are expending Patriots on slow drones. They have Advanced Hawks, IRIS-T, Crotale and other western air defense missile systems available that are better suited for that target set and who's missiles are a whole lot less expensive. Save Patriot rounds for targets that require their performance.

Btw, the Saudis have had over 200 successful Patriot engagements defeating Houthi ballistic missiles and cruise missiles over the past couple of years, a fact few seem aware of. THAAD has also been used successfully but UAE. These systems are well sorted out by now. That one raid on their oil facility that got through was because the attack came from Iraq, launched by a Shiite militia allied with Iran, on an axis the Saudis were not guarding. Now they have radars and air defense missiles protecting that direction. Lesson learned the hard way, but no reflection on the performance of Patriot, rather an intel failure.

Desert Tortoise- spoiler warnings

Spoiler shmoiler :) It's been out for over a month and the whole story is on Wikipedia.

Fair enough. I was kind of talking about Russia though ;)

Mr Kipling might be right to an extent. I certainly don’t believe Russia doesn’t target civilians.

It is no different than how the Soviets fire bombed Finnish towns during the 1939 invasion. When the Finns complained about the Soviet fire bombing campaign the Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov claimed they were dropping food packages for the poor starving Finns. So the Finns returned the favor with bottles filled with gasoline and a rag set on fire, chucked into the hatches of Soviet tanks. "Drink to go with the food" the Finns said and the "Molotov cocktail" was born.

More fog of war, drone and missile attacks on Ukraine, nothing new here, more news on cross-border attacks into Russia as well. Most globally, especially Europeans increasingly worried about nuclear escalation.

Russia's purpose is clear, not 'carpet-bombing' utter destruction, but rather pinpoint targeted campaign, causing people and capital to continue flee Ukraine for safety, as failed Ukranian state continues day by day.

Expert Military Consensus, Ukraine cannot win this conventional conflict based on attrition. Thus, either escalate into non-conventional, have Non Ukranian combatant (e.g. NATO) forces join Ukraine, some combination of two, OR pursue peace compromise.

Most globally prefer durable peace, as besides risks of escalation, collateral damage catalysts to world continues, especially starvation and inflation.

Also not getting much coverage but Russian conventional bombs have been re-trofitted with various 'glide' capabilities. Such bombs being coordinated with these other drone and missile attacks to overwhelm Air Defense and are basically unstoppable.

Any technical thoughts on above Dessert Tortoise? My understanding is there's no 'signature' for AD to pick up these bombs, that are both very large, remain airborne only a short period of time and surprisingly accurate.

Clay

Russia's purpose is clear, not 'carpet-bombing' utter destruction, but rather pinpoint targeted campaign, causing people and capital to continue flee Ukraine for safety, as failed Ukranian state continues day by day.

Not it isn't. It's indiscriminate attacks on civilians to try to use up Ukraine's missiles. Thankfully, Europe and the rest of the world have stepped up and given Ukraine missile defence systems. If Russia thought that civilians would flee, they are sadly mistaken.

Expert Military Consensus, Ukraine cannot win this conventional conflict based on attrition.

Also, Expert Military Consensus: Ukraine can't defend itself and the war will be over in 3 days.

Thus, either escalate into non-conventional, have Non Ukranian combatant (e.g. NATO) forces join Ukraine, some combination of two, OR pursue peace compromise.

Or break the Russian war machine.

China have offered peace negotiations

With no concrete plan. Hotel conference rooms can be found anywhere.

Mr Kipling

It is a crime to post photos and videos of Russian attacks

No, it is not. The TV is full of war coverage.

I highly doubt Ukrainian forces are expending Patriots on slow drones

I was just giving the term "Patriot" a humorous double-entendre to point out that Putin's violence only reinforces the patriotism of Ukrainians, but of course you are absolutely right. Knowing little of weapons systems, I defer to your superior knowledge and expertise in matters military and it's always gratifying to learn more from you.

Clearly the Cost-exchange ratio is going pear shaped.

Clay

Russia's purpose is clear, not 'carpet-bombing' utter destruction, but rather pinpoint targeted campaign, causing people and capital to continue flee Ukraine for safety, as failed Ukranian state continues day by day.

Not it isn't. It's indiscriminate attacks on civilians to try to use up Ukraine's missiles. Thankfully, Europe and the rest of the world have stepped up and given Ukraine missile defence systems. If Russia thought that civilians would flee, they are sadly mistaken.

Expert Military Consensus, Ukraine cannot win this conventional conflict based on attrition.

Also, Expert Military Consensus: Ukraine can't defend itself and the war will be over in 3 days.

Thus, either escalate into non-conventional, have Non Ukranian combatant (e.g. NATO) forces join Ukraine, some combination of two, OR pursue peace compromise.

Or break the Russian war machine.

2020, agreed, all these drones and missiles being shot down by Ukraine Air Defense, creates large and ongoing indiscriminate civilian damage, even if Russia's intent is degrading Ukraine war fighting capabilities. So, no surprise continued civilian exodus from Ukraine.

Lots of information, regarding this conflict from an expert opinion standpoint. Best recent read I've seen, below retired US Colonel, clearly Pro Ukrainian. Explains current poor Ukraine military attritional dynamics well.

Sad Reality: The Ukraine War Is Now Going Russia’s Way

Story by Daniel Davis

A 19FortyFive Contributing Editor, Daniel L. Davis a Senior Fellow for Defense Priorities & former Lt. Col. in U.S. Army, deployed into combat zones four times.

Biggest US NATO Ukraine Proxy War Story not being reported, sudden retirement of General Mark A. Milley.

Not sudden, and widely reported in the US.

http://www.bhpanel.org/general-mark-a-milley-76-announces-retirement/

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/24/mark-milley-lafayette-park-fallout-00088585

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2022/11/28/why-the-next-chairman-of-the-joint-chiefs-should-be-from-the-air-force/?sh=47c0470e20c3

Clay - We aren't at war and his term as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff ends in October.

Is it too much to ask for a modicum of research before posting so authoritatively?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/biden-pick-air-force-general-joint-chiefs-chair-99107618

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-picks-history-making-air-force-fighter-pilot-serve-joint-chiefs-rcna86151

Clay

2020, agreed, all these drones and missiles being shot down by Ukraine Air Defense, creates large and ongoing indiscriminate civilian damage, even if Russia's intent is degrading Ukraine war fighting capabilities. So, no surprise continued civilian exodus from Ukraine.

There is no large scale civilian exodus from Ukraine. In fact, many Ukrainian's are coming back:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/07/world/europe/ukraine-frontline-russia-war.html

Since last summer, at a pretty steady rate, Ukrainians have been returning. More than 5.5 million have gone home, according to the International Organization for Migration, and not just to large cities like Kyiv, the capital, or Dnipro, but to small places as well, even those right behind the front line. While the exodus at the beginning of the war was dramatic and widely covered, the homecomings have been more gradual and haven’t generated nearly the same attention.

Lots of information, regarding this conflict from an expert opinion standpoint. Best recent read I've seen, below retired US Colonel, clearly Pro Ukrainian. Explains current poor Ukraine military attritional dynamics well.

Sure, I've seen a lot from ex-military armchair critics and I could give you just as many that say things are going well for Ukraine. But most of these experts also predicted that Russia wouldn't invade and if they did it would be game over for Ukraine. Wars are unpredictable.

Can you imagine Russia attacking a NATO armed country? It would be a bloodbath.

How the mighty have fallen.

Can you imagine Russia attacking a NATO armed country? It would be a bloodbath.

> How the mighty have fallen.

Ukraine