Russian media campaign dismisses Bucha deaths as fakes

Seen the same willful ignorance here over the past few days. Shameful but easily recognisable.

Well said.

The very same people who two years ago decried Covid as a "harmless sniffle"; insisted two months ago that fascist Russia "never had any intention" of invading sovereign Ukraine...are now parrotting the fascist Russia line that these atrocities are a "hoax".

These pro-fascists are predictable and they are a disgrace.

denouncing them as an elaborate hoax — a narrative that journalists in Ukraine have shown to be false.

Seen the same willful ignorance here over the past few days. Shameful but easily recognisable.

These people need to be shamed and ridiculed not ignored.

It’s gone from, “only Nazis we’re killed”, to “there were no killings”, to “the killings were staged”, to “well, I wasn’t personally there so who can even say what the truth is? Maybe this is all a butterfly’s dream. So stop worrying and let Lord Putin kill more children.”

Kremlin has employed such an information warfare strategy to deny any wrongdoing

They also denied invading Crimea, and they denied shooting down MH-17, and they denied assassinating dissidents with nerve agents, and they denied blowing up a hospital in Syria, and they denied plans to invade Ukraine, and now they have denied executing civilians in the streets.

Russia is not going to confirm its troops are responsible. Russia still refuses to admit its responsibility for shooting down MH-370 over Eastern Ukraine. Russia never takes responsibility for its actions.

I watched a History channel documentary on WWII and Soviet troops were shooting anything that moved rather than shoot only at military targets. They leveled everything and shot civilians as easily as soldiers. They had a policy in Grozny of destroy everything and kill anyone you see. Same in Aleppo when they destroyed that city. It is Russian military doctrine to shoot everyone and destroy everything of the enemies.

Allied nations use discretion and where possible try to avoid civilian casualties. They are not perfect at it and make mistakes. They generally end up admitting their mistakes. They use fit for purpose munitions. As Russia's aim is destruction and kill any enemy the use of "dumb" munitions and artillery barrages on cities and towns is within their doctrine, but they are not honorable enough to admit their barbarity in fighting war. It probably disgusts most of them also but the person at the top dictates direction and policy that the rest must follow.

More Russian atrocities will be found and its effects on Ukraine forces will probably make some so enraged they commit atrocities against Russian soldiers and spies. WWII showed when one side committed massacres the other side would often have a "no prisoners" policy if units identified as committing atrocities were ever caught.

Nazi SS murdered US troops in Western Europe and so when SS became prisoners, many were shot. War does horrible things to the humanity of people and things unthinkable become possible.

Stop the war, and stop the horrors and deaths of innocent civilians, stop the destruction.

Russia will never be allowed back among the nations of the world, until Putin is gone.

True. The question is, how can Putin be taken out?

Is NATO membership really worth this?

Is permanent pariah-state status for fascist Russia really worth this invasion of an independent nation?

Very predictable response from a Putin lackey.

This Russian regime is currently just as reviled as the Nazis were in 1945. Russia will never be allowed back among the nations of the world, until Putin is gone.

so called "novichok" attack in Salisbury-same thing...no one ever cares about that anymore...

Want to bet on that?

You know, I am getting heartedly sick of people spouting this nonsense about 'MSM', white helmets and fake news... what sort of weird bubble are these people living in? Newspaper cuttings on the wall? Tin foil on the curtains, darkened rooms and police monitor radios?

This is a war, people are being killed by the Russians - executed going by the reports. How any sane person can sit there and spew forth some of the drivel I've seen above boggles the mind.

Dont the Russian people (and the Chinese as well ) realise that their own Govt has killed more of them than anyone else.

Putin and his Russian government have zero credibility. Thet destroyed that permanently when they invaded Ukraine after repeating that they won't.

Fox is Russian media these days and the GOP the American wing of United Russia.

The despicable bunch part of both these criminal outfits are as much responsible for the massacre as the Russians!

Lt. Col. Azatbek Omurbekov

has been identified as the commander of the unit (64th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade) accused of these atrocities.

all of media coverage and white helmets staged videos...when specialist came to investigate incidents they did not find any proof that Assad did so and you guess what-no more media coverage,all fakenews went to to be "forgotten"

Well documented, investigated and recorded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

.so called "novichok" attack in Salisbury-same thing...no one ever cares about that anymore...

Russia doesnt care. Everyone else remembers what Russian agents did and it is recorded for history.

in case of recent event in Bucha I have one question-Cui bono?

how about to let independent investigators to come,investigate all case and than lets talk who did and why did?

or must we believe all talk of UA government?

Google pictures have shown the bodies showed up while that territory was occupied by Russian forces. That corroborated that Russian assertions it was staged and fake are incorrect. Russia simply can not be trusted. Truth can not be found in Russian mouths or in pro Russian posts. It is hard to face when your nation does monstrous things. You do not want to believe and you argue it must be fake, because you love your country. But at some point you have to come to grips that your soldiers have committed crimes, horrific crimes. That has not come yet and for many they will believe even past the end that it was all made up. For the rest, this taints credibility for Russian information and opinions to the point that if Russia says it, it has a better than very good chance of being wrong, misinformation, deception and outright lies.

Reference to past Russian lies does not help their cause, it increases their guilt.

But if people think that this will lead to a boycott of Russia and turn Russia into an isolated pariah state they need a reality check. Posters commenting here are probably from Western countries and do not realise the amount of sympathy Russia has in the third world.

You might find third world sympathy for Ukraine is stronger than for the invader Russia. Third world nations are no strangers to big powerful nations taking them by invasion. This is not Russia versus NATO or the west. This is Russia versus Ukraine. Ukraine with no allies and no intention of invading others to create an empire.

China is Russia's "no limits" partner and India has many issues particular to it in regards Pakistan, China and Russia who all figure heavily in Indian policy and them treading carefully. Governments do not always reflect the will of the ordinary citizen so those nations should be careful in how far they are willing to accommodate Russian aggression.

The Russians have lied about everything so far, why should they start telling the truth now?

“If you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth.”

……….Joseph Goebbels

. Without waterproof indications or proofs no one can or should judge on anything in that whole area, including the Bucha and other places’ massacres.

sorry but that’s willful ignorance. And for a crime like this that’s a morally bankrupt position.

We can judge. We must judge. The preponderance of evidence makes it clear that Russian soldiers committed these war crimes.

ha ha that’s rich. warmongers supporting NATO’s never ending wars of course would say such a bombastic thing.

This may be news to you where you are from, but NATO didn't invade Ukraine. Russia did. Any thoughts? Care to comment on Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Every Russian will carry a rock of shame of what has been done by the government they support and in their name around their neck for the rest of time!

The only thing I know for sure is that both sides there are like brothers in a historical sense, which also includes having the same violent mindset, common history during the USSR period, were together drilled and have fought in red army for decades and therefore use similar or the same harsh and brutal military methods and skilled hi-spec propaganda measures. It is impossible for outsiders or bystanders who are not Russian or Ukrainian to get even only near to the truth of what has happened and is happening there. Without waterproof indications or proofs no one can or should judge on anything in that whole area, including the Bucha and other places’ massacres.

that is the million Ruble question

That is not worth much nowadays LOL!

Putin is regrouping,he is gonna unleashed more hell on Ukrainian,in the next two weeks,as Russian soldiers redeploy from Belarus,better that Ukrainian launch attack on Belarus and Russia,his deadline is May 9, Google Putin May 9 Ukraine Deadline

Denouncing news as fake or spreading false reports to sow confusion and undermine its adversaries are tactics that Moscow has used for years and refined with the advent of social media in places like Syria.

Unfortunately these techniques used by Russia have long been used by the UK and US.

Read Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

i remember so called "chemical weapons attack" of Assad against syrian civilians.

all of media coverage and white helmets staged videos...when specialist came to investigate incidents they did not find any proof that Assad did so and you guess what-no more media coverage,all fakenews went to to be "forgotten".so called "novichok" attack in Salisbury-same thing...no one ever cares about that anymore...

in case of recent event in Bucha I have one question-Cui bono?

how about to let independent investigators to come,investigate all case and than lets talk who did and why did?

or must we believe all talk of UA government?

any thoughts guys?

how can Putin be taken out?

that is the million Ruble question

So, which side does not engage in "information warfare" and can be trusted? It isn't like MSM isn't lying and parroting whatever is convenient for them (and their masters).

In this conflict, there is no side that can be viewed and trusted as independent.

With the absence of independent observers, court and prosecution, the truth will be decided by whoever ends up writing and rewriting the history books.

Russian soldiers might be guilty of war crimes. Russia might be guilty of invading a weaker country. And Putin might be a monster.

But if people think that this will lead to a boycott of Russia and turn Russia into an isolated pariah state they need a reality check. Posters commenting here are probably from Western countries and do not realise the amount of sympathy Russia has in the third world. This goes back to the early days of the Cold War when USSR took an anti-colonialism stand, backed anti-colonial movements and supported the newly independent third world countries. This is true for African countries and also for India. And China will not give up it's support for Russia.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/ukraine-invasion-african-support-russia-shows-kremlins-soft-power-2611446

Is permanent pariah-state status for fascist Russia really worth this invasion of an independent nation?

ha ha that’s rich. warmongers supporting NATO’s never ending wars of course would say such a bombastic thing.

It's so difficult and confusing which side to believe. Showing an image of ruined buildings, the announcer of Russian television narrated that the Ukrainian force had left the town after destroying the buildings in town completely. As to many civilian deaths, the Russian authorities accused Ukraine of using its citizens as human shields.

Images of the bombed buildings and burned-down houses remind me of the trigger-happy propensity of Russians, such as was seen in the 1993 October Coup, a political war between Boris Yeltsin, then President, and Ruslan Khasbulatov, then Chairman of the Soviet Supreme Parliament, over the institution of a new constitution.

Yeltsin ordered his army to shell the Parliament building with a cannon where Khasbulatov barricaded himself in. Could one fire cannon balls against his political foe so unscrupulously?

Regardless of guilt, would anyone expect them to be like "Oh yup, we are doing all the war crimes!"? When has a country ever done that when they weren't coerced to?

Well, it's perfectly obvious it was staged 4 days after the Russians left the town.

Is NATO membership really worth this?