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This is what happens when you get mercenaries to fight your wars for you.

Wagner is also active in Africa, independent of the govt yet carrying out and enforcing Russian foreign policy. Putin and the Kremlin have become too dependent on them to reign them in.

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Putin said that those who engaged in the mutiny were traitors. He also offered no way for Wagner to continue as it has been. This isn't over yet.

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As he stated from the very beginning, it was a beef with the MOD - which was going to fold PMCs into the regulars from the 1st of next month.

But that didn't stop the west twisting the truth to suit their narrative.

It's game, set and match and yet again he comes out on top.

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Video has been posted of the Wagner convoy rolling back across Lugansk, presumably to the DPR.

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""Putin made a televised address on Monday, his first public comments since Saturday when he said the rebellion put Russia's very existence under threat and that those behind it would be punished.""

Why do I have the feeling that Mr. Prigozhin days are numbered!?

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Putin must be quaking in his bolthole, wondering how long before he loses grip in power and is summarily executed.

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Russia's three main news agencies reported on Monday that a criminal case against Prigozhin had not been closed, an apparent reversal of an offer of immunity publicized as part of the deal that persuaded him to stand down.

So was the rebellion staged, or the halting of it?

I also read a report yesterday with a claim that threats had been made against the families of Wagner leaders, one of the main reasons things ended as quickly as they did. That wouldn’t surprise me in the least either.

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Looks like a 6.2 billion dollar con job that has resulted in Wagner, easily setting up a new front to the North of Kiev, now in an area that has tactical nukes.

Let's see what plays out from here.

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@ThubanToday 06:54 am JST

The kicker is that this new rebranded Wagner group will have no official ties to the Kremlin and the Kremlin can publicly disavow any responsibility for what they do henceforth.

They can claim whatever they want. The enemy gets a vote, too.

If Putin and Prigozhin are actually still friends and working together, that means Putin gained the ability to deploy Wagner against NATO assets without NATO being able to blame and/or retaliate against Russia itself.

You seem to forget what Iraq War 2 and Putin's Invasion has shown us about the validity of international law.

If the world believes that Wagner is no longer affiliated with Putin, this staged coup has been a success.

The world isn't that dumb.

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If Putin and Prigozhin are actually still friends and working together, that means Putin gained the ability to deploy Wagner against NATO assets without NATO being able to blame and/or retaliate against Russia itself.

If even you can come up with that scenario, the NATO chiefs certainly can. Knowing that it was all a ploy to enable this neither Belarus or Russia would be exempt.

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Both men are now much weaker, as is their combined army - good news for Ukraine.

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Gangstas!

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Thuban

If Putin and Prigozhin are actually still friends and working together, that means Putin gained the ability to deploy Wagner against NATO assets without NATO being able to blame and/or retaliate against Russia itself.

Clearly they are not friends. Wagner won't go to war NATO. Great imagination though.

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This 'not-coup' attempt has made clear that Mr Putin is a lame duck whose days are numbered. 

It has dealt a potentially fatal blow to the legitimacy of his regime, in the eyes of both the Russian elites and society at large. He has been exposed as a weak leader, unable to control his inner circle and security forces and retreating into isolation when under threat. Far from being the master manipulator of divisions among those beneath him, he risks being toppled by forces he unleashed but can no longer control.

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The Wagner group family members were being threatened. Prigozhin would have lost his power and soldier's support.

Russia-Ukraine war latest: Kremlin reportedly threatened Wagner families as soldiers marched to Moscow

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-ukraine-war-latest-kremlin-wagner-soldier-march-moscow-140513024.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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Also, Putin needs Prigozhin's operations in Africa. Most of the natural resources Russia acquires in Africa come though Prigozhin's companies.

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@Thuban

Thuban, I admire your optimism but you just doesn't seem to understand how geopolitics works. Nobody is going to pull any punches defending Lithuania after what Russia did to Ukraine.

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But the problem for Nato’s military leaders is that the general public in Europe believes that Wagner is now a rogue anti-Putin group.

No they don’t. That will only happen if Prigozhin is offed. Prigozhin stated from the beginning he wasn’t going after Putin. If the rebellion was staged, that won’t happen. If the rebellion was real, it may, but if the rebellion was real, Russia is as much at risk from Wagner as NATO nations are.

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Putin thanks those who stood down

He didn't thank those that stood by him, as there were none!

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Nobody is going to pull any punches defending Lithuania after what Russia did to Ukraine.

Exactly. Germany has already just offered Lithuania 4000 extra troops for a little more security. Nothing had even happened.

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Prigozhin is living on borrowed time at this point.

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Putin’s trick was to turn Wagner into a force that he could deploy without consequence.

Putin: (trips and falls headfirst into Picasso painting on the wall, going right through it. While struggling to free himself from the frame, he gets his foot stuck in a nearby priceless Ming vase. Now hopping on one foot with the frame of the destroyed Picasso pinning his arms against his body, he proceeds to clumsily bump into a shelf, knocking it over. While the shelf is falling, a hook on the side of it becomes entangled with his belt. The shelf lands on a wheeled dolly and begins to roll towards the staircase, dragging Putin with it. Breaking his arms free he is able to grab a nearby curtain to prevent the shelf/dolly from pulling him down the stairs with it, but the same is not true of his pants which are ripped off, leaving him clad only in comical polk a dot boxers from the waste down. Meanwhile a candelabra that he had upended in his earlier struggles has started a fire, which he first tries to extinguish by spitting on it, but quickly abandons the effort and flees as the Kremlin burns around him.)

Putin fans: “Brilliant gambit, sir!!”

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Only thing more surprising than the speed with which this uprising developed ws the speed with which it was stopped.

If it wasn't planned then it was extremely adroit handling of the situation.

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Anyway, I'm wondering now what was the reason Wagner was pulled out of bakhmut. Was it stated ?To be disbanded? Redeployed?

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Hot dog man forgot the most important rule in gangster land:

When you go to kill the boss, you better kill the boss because SOMEONE is going to die.

He's as good as dead.

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Poo tin has shown himself as a coward who scarpered at a whiff of trouble, which would be bad enough but as there is a neighbouring leader who presents such a radical and courageous contrast, it highlights his weakness. In a power vertical dictatorship like poo tin’s power structure the Tsar must be and must be seen to be strong or it falls apart and the wolves start circling.

The other power groupings around him now see he is weak and has lost much of his grip on power, so each will be wondering whether they need to act before their rivals beat them to it. It probably won’t happen immediately but the plotting has already begun.

The serious lack of reserves in russia have been shown up and the utter failure of the very institutions designed to prevent/deal with this very situation. A hostile force was able to drive through the heart of russia without opposition to the doorsteps of Moscow. Poo tin has squandered so much of Russia’s military in his pointless and failed war in Ukraine that Russians weakness is displayed to the world. I wonder what the Chinese are thinking?

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Putin was visibly shaken by the event. His lip was quivering.

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Putin’s trick was to turn Wagner into a force that he could deploy without consequence.

How's that possible? If they operate ostensibly outside the ambit of Russia or Belarus then those countries can't resupply or reinforce them.

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And Russia needs to disavow them officially

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Wagner is not just in Ukraine. This is all about money and anglosaxon/Ukrainian propaganda. Mastermind Putin finished this in one day. The USA coup on capital hill is still ongoing after years.

putin is the dude.

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If they operate ostensibly outside the ambit of Russia or Belarus then those countries can't resupply or reinforce them.

You mean like the little green men with no insignia running riot in the Donbas couldn't be supplied, reinforced or armed from Russia?

Like the 'tourists' smearing novichok on door handles in Salisbury couldn't have got the stuff from russia?

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The Putin apologists not really making a lot of sense here.

Bankrupt.

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putin is the dude

I think you spelt doofus wrong.

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cleo

Today 08:13 am JST

If they operate ostensibly outside the ambit of Russia or Belarus then those countries can't resupply or reinforce them.

> You mean like the little green men with no insignia running riot in the Donbas couldn't be supplied, reinforced or armed from Russia?

> Like the 'tourists' smearing novichok on door handles in Salisbury couldn't have got the stuff from russia?

You mean they can be? How?

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Thuban

Putin’s trick was to turn Wagner into a force that he could deploy without consequence.

Except that Putin hasn't done that. Wagner troops have two options, join Prigozhin or join MOD. If the join MOD, they work for Putin. If they join Wagner, they work for Prigozhin. Putin doesn't and can't control Wagner.

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Putin is a dud.

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Proof is in ones action, not words.

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Overhead video of trench assault results in some Russians surrendering.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1673351189960826886

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Mastermind Putin finished this in one day.

Oh this is far from over.

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Pootin has the look of a man who knows he'll not die in a bed.

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his first public comments since Saturday when he said the rebellion put Russia's very existence under threat and that those behind it would be punished.

There are prominent Russians calling for somebody to be held responsible. Who? Prigozhin? Utkin? Putin has let them off. Some people are not going to be happy with Putin’s response to this.

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UChosePoorlyToday  08:23 am JST

I can't watch it because I don't have a twitter account. But it sure sounds like a video posted overnight by the Russia MOD taken in the LPR near the city of Kremennaya - showing Ukrainians surrendering.

Looks like they removed the double headed eagle emblem in the top right and repurposed it.

There's another one from overnight of troops in Bradleys disembarking straight onto a minefield. Pretty heavy stuff.

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Wallace, nothing has changed, Ukraine is steady being pummel back into the stone age

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Russian mercenary chief says he did not intend coup

Not a coup you say?

https://tinyurl.com/yte6y82x

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JJE - you don't need a Twitter account to view the video.

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Like a real life version of that TV show “The Sopranos”.

Now it’s clear why we must not let this scum win.

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And it's not all overhead. I am happy to take a look at your video if you can share the link. I will let you know if they are the same.

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UChosePoorlyToday  09:07 am JST

https://www.rt.com/russia/578705-airborne-troops-frontline-video/

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Thanks man. Different video.

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Shoigu was hiding during the Wagner uprising. He popped up after everything was finished. The Russian military also blew up their own refueling station near Moscow to slow down Wagner.

The same tactic they used to blow up the dam in Ukraine. More proof of Russia willingness to commit war crimes.

Putin's presidential plane was spotted leaving Moscow amid Wagner's uprising

https://news.yahoo.com/putins-presidential-plane-spotted-leaving-151654805.html

Putin fled Moscow during the uprising. Putin is looking weak.

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Well I can't watch it - Twitter won't let me. Got another link or Telegram?

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As long as Putin is in control of the nuclear command,he is the big cheese,Biden is not in control of the Democrats party,the majority of Democrats has turn against Biden

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UChosePoorly - that link does need to be signed into as its age verified. But yeah, I watched both yours and JJE’s and they don’t resemble each other in the slightest.

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Nope sorry. Are you able to see Twitter embeds? The video below has one.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/horrors-of-trench-warfare-captured-in-viral-ukrainian-special-ops-footage

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Prigozhin defied orders to place his troops under Defence Ministry command or return return their equipment by July 1. The egotistical maniac fear being irrelevant mounted this mutiny. His master Putin is exposed as lame and powerless that he agrees for Prigozhin to be "exiled" to Belarus which is also under one of his puppet.

Putin will not risk offing the monster he created or face the wrath of his followers as shown when they march to the capital practically unopposed. Putin is done.

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Here it is on YouTube

https://youtu.be/OH-F6fHJAHo

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Thanks Haaa! I had forgotten about YT.

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UChosePoorlyToday  09:05 am JST

The Twitter link you posted only has two comments in 8 hours.

More context would be helpful - where the video was taken and when would be a good start.

Need corroboration.

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JJE - Here is more. Recent, like in the last couple of days, and near Bakhmut, according to this article.

https://en.defence-ua.com/events/ukrainian_forces_annihilated_a_battalion_of_the_russian_57th_brigade_extremely_tough_trench_warfare_from_pov_of_ukraines_3rd_assault_brigade-7122.html

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UChosePoorlyToday  09:31 am JST

It looks staged - like an airsoft competition. And some of those videos are posted by The Sun tabloid - known to doctor videos heavily. And the UAF are frequently doing this acting - like their leader they are getting pretty good at it.

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If you want to see the real stuff - viewable through Telegram.

https://www.rt.com/russia/578760-ukrainian-soldiers-minefield-trap/

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JJE - You are going to believe what you are going to believe. Nothing I can do about that.

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f Putin and Prigozhin are actually still friends and working together, that means Putin gained the ability to deploy Wagner against NATO assets without NATO being able to blame and/or retaliate against Russia itself.

NATO would treat a Wagner attack originating from Belarus as an attack by the armed forces of Belarus and hold Belarus accountable. It is the responsibility of Belarus to control them if they are operating within their borders.

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NATO would treat a Wagner attack originating from Belarus as an attack by the armed forces of Belarus and hold Belarus accountable. It is the responsibility of Belarus to control them if they are operating within their borders.

Exactly, and Russia has said they’ll defend Belarus, so if they keep to their word on that, NATO takes it to Russia.

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At 1:34 in your video, the "Russian soldier" has a blue shirt on, with grey sneakers and what appear to be grey pants, plus the helmet looks suspect... also right on the 1:30 mark you can clearly see it's being edited (amongst other spots). And not one drop of blood... It's designed to appeal the COD crowd.

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JJE - sounds like you have made up your mind and nothing would convince you otherwise, so I won't even try.

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It looks staged - like an airsoft competition. And some of those videos are posted by The Sun tabloid - known to doctor videos heavily. And the UAF are frequently doing this acting - like their leader they are getting pretty good at it.

It wasn't staged. Yevgeniy Prigozhin started believing his own bs and majorly jumped the shark.

A couple of things to think about. Number one, what you saw was Russians don't really care if Vladimir Putin survives or not. A lot of their Army doesn't care either. Yevgeniy Prigozhin pretty much told all of Russia including their military that the whole war in Ukraine never about denazifying it but about certain oligarchs making more money. That cat is out of the bag now and it came from the mouth of someone who has widespread credibility inside Russia and with the rank and file in their military. So a band of mercenaries take over the tenth largest city in Russia not only without a shot but people were coming out to take their picture with them. Then they had a nice Sunday drive up the motorway to Moscow and nobody even tried to stop them. Why? Because when you get down to it nobody in Russia really cares if Mr. Putin is deposed or not. The average Russian has no say one way or the other and they all know it.

The second thing to consider is that Wagner is highly profitable, indeed it is essential to the Russian economy. Wagner brings in gold from the CAR where they control the mines (other countries too but CAR is the main source of gold), selling the gold through intermediaries in UAE to earn cold hard convertible cash for an economy under sanctions that have starved them of foreign exchange. Unlike stationing Russian Army and Russian Air Force troops in Africa at great cost to spread Russian influence in the region, Wagner not only pays its way and is self financing but it sends remittance to the Russian treasury and to Mr. Putin through other Wagner affiliated companies. Mr. Putin and the Russian government very much need Wagner or something very much like Wagner.

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DT,when is your Ukraine liberation date

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Desert TortoiseToday  09:56 am JST

You got your wires crossed. I was not commenting on the events which unfolded over the weekend just now or making any assessment on whether it was staged or not.

I was commenting on a video someone posted (scroll above) and observing the staged nature of that video.

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This was such an exciting moment for Russia, but you have to wonder what snuffed it out so quickly.

There's no way the average Russian doesn't want Putin and the authoritarian rule of Russia gone - no way. Russia is an amazing place filled with fantastic people who have long endured repression, they know what democracy is and would opt for it in a heartbeat. The great irony of the socialist system is that it's great in theory, but in practise you just have one set of ruling class replace another in the control of wealth and power of the state.

This offered a fascinating glimmer of hope in Russia, a potential spark to trigger a landslide of rebellion, so what happened?

Sadly, my guess is they offered the Wagner chaps a huge sum of money and a safe haven to stand down in, which they took. True mercenaries then, not freedom fighters at all. More's the pity.

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Putin claimed it was like the Russian Revolution in 1917, which for him was a bad event. Guess he prefers the time of the Tzars.

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I am not supporting the "staged theory".

But John Varoli, former foreign correspondent for New York Times, Bloomberg and Reuters TV, makes a quite a compelling argument that it could be right here.

https://john365.substack.com/p/putin-and-prigozhin-30-years-of-a

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Look at this trash. Is it any wonder why they hate each other?! And now they're fighting with each other!

Support Ukraine in its fight to keep this trash out of their country and prevent it from spilling into others.

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Sadly, my guess is they offered the Wagner chaps a huge sum of money and a safe haven to stand down in, which they took. True mercenaries then, not freedom fighters at all. More's the pity.

Wagner operations in Africa are basically a money printer for Moscow so probably not. Moscow needs Wagner's money more than Wagner needs anything Moscow can offer except perhaps arms, and Wagner pays Moscow cash for that.

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DT,when is your Ukraine liberation date

The Russians blew a dam and delayed an armored drive on Crimea. Several brigades of Ukraine troops have not been committed yet. They didn't factor in Russia committing a major war crime. I didn't see that coming either.

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Wagner operations in Africa are basically a money printer for Moscow so probably not.

As always, correct.

I am willing to speculate that this is the only reason hot-dog boy is still alive.

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JJE

I am not supporting the "staged theory".

But John Varoli, former foreign correspondent for New York Times, Bloomberg and Reuters TV, makes a quite a compelling argument that it could be right here.

Nice theory, but wrong conclusion.

The US new about the coup weeks ago. You would guess that the Russians did as well. This was an attack on MOD by Prigozhin. Not staged.

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2020hindsightsToday  10:57 am JST

I said I didn't support it but it warranted examination, especially that particular analysis.

Plus, the US can claim they knew about it post fact but there's no way to prove or disprove that - I have my suspicions they didn't. Just a claim like many other claims in the fog of war at the moment.

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The mutiny finished quicker than I could finish my bowl of popcorn. Meanwhile 10 more Ukrainian counterattacks failed leaving 1000 dead.

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JJE

Plus, the US can claim they knew about it post fact but there's no way to prove or disprove that - I have my suspicions they didn't. Just a claim like many other claims in the fog of war at the moment.

There is no reason for them to lie, so I believe it. Also, we know that US intelligence in Russia and Ukraine is very good.

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I said I didn't support it but it warranted examination, especially that particular analysis.

I read that analysis and it really is no more credible than any other analysis. Sure, it was weird how it all stopped so suddenly, but neither Prigozhin nor Putin would have wanted Russians fighting each other on the ground in Russia. That would go against what Prigozhin’s whole issue was, and also show Putin to be even more of a fool

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They can't even come clean about the provoked nature of the conflict and its origins going back to 2014 and beyond.

Because it was provoked by Russia. Prigozhin told you this.

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Prigozhin - formerly the murderous nazi global warlord - is now a "truth teller".

Makes sense, his foot soldiers became "freedom fighters" briefly when it suited the narrative.

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