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5 Ukrainian civilians killed as warring sides mull next move

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As of last night Japan time a new decree from the Ukrainian government.

Every male between 20 and 55 years of age to be conscripted in Ukraine—regardless of family status, profession, physical or mental health, or any other consideration.

Lists are to be prepared by every employer, organization, or institution (the document in question concerns the Kiev region specifically). I anticipate the summons will be handed out directly through the workplace as well.

The person who posted the document online Roman Donetsky, added, “the end is near, Ukrainians.”

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This was another wayward Ukrainian AA missile which even the Ukrainian government isn't contesting.

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The person who posted the document online Roman Donetsky, added, “the end is near, Ukrainians.”

All the more reason to give the Ukrainians whatever military they need to finish their reclamation of Crimea and eviction of Russia.

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All the more reason to give the Ukrainians whatever military they need to finish their reclamation of Crimea and eviction of Russia.

The only thing is nukes unless China along with NATO allied with the Ukraine. Even then it would be doubtful. And nukes would only mean no one gets Crimea, Florida, Scotland, Kyushu or anything else.

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The only thing is nukes

No, I don't think they should give the Ukrainians nukes.

But tanks, missiles, fighter jets etc should all be given to them.

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It was announced that the US tanks aren’t coming until late this year or early next.

A special build without any of the top secret components included, so an inferior model tank.

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Nobody is talking about giving Ukraine nukes.

And nukes would only mean no one gets Crimea, Florida, Scotland, Kyushu

or anything else

The easiest response to these idiotic threats to use nuclear weapons is to remind the Russians that they have known targets, @decision centers” and children too.

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A special build without any of the top secret components included, so an inferior model tank.

Inferior to which tanks? And which parts of the competing tanks are superior to the non-top secret parts of the US tanks? I mean, I assume you know what you're talking about, and you didn't just call it "inferior model" without actually having any clue whatsoever one way or the other, right?

 

...right?

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right?

right.

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A special build without any of the top secret components included, so an inferior model tank.

This is a good thing, right? This is what you wanted Biden to do. Or is it now suddenly a bad thing?

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The US is sending tanks that its own military would not use in battle.

And no F-16s will be sent.

Maybe the European countries can pick up the pace on supplying Ukraine.

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A special build without any of the top secret components included, so an inferior model tank.

Honestly, what's the point in this rhetoric if not to yo discredit Ukraine?

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This is a good thing, right? This is what you wanted Biden to do. Or is it now suddenly a bad thing?

yea it is. Just means Ukraine isn’t getting any actual “Abrams”tanks, getting a scaled down version and they won’t be arriving anytime soon.

Honestly, what's the point in this rhetoric if not to yo discredit Ukraine?

To show there are victims of a Biden bait and switch scheme. He isn’t sending what was promised but expects Germany to send the actual tank they use. while he withholds the ones we actually use. Dishonest.

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NATO is playing a dangerous game him by constantly upping the ante.

And yet it's the imperialist pro-invasion forces again suggesting using nukes. And we know this is all bluster. We also know who is upping the ante and it isn't NATO.

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To show there are victims of a Biden bait and switch scheme. He isn’t sending what was promised but expects Germany to send the actual tank they use. while he withholds the ones we actually use. Dishonest.

Oh nonsense. This is Russia's fault and it's pretty pathetic to continually blame Biden and not Russia. No one is buying it, and completely discredits your conspiracy theories.

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Russia won't give them up without exhausting all 6000 of its nuclear weapons (the most of any country in the world).

Charming stuff. Vlad isn't going to nuke the entire world over a corner of Ukraine, no matter how much you want him too.

NATO is playing a dangerous game him by constantly upping the ante.

Crying about getting beaten in a war that you started isn't going to help you or Vlad.

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@Alexaxel The only thing is nukes

If it's nukes, that means you and everyone else loses. 'Pyrrhic victories' are losses.

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Cards fanToday  08:13 am JST

Oh nonsense. This is Russia's fault and it's pretty pathetic to continually blame Biden and not Russia. No one is buying it, and completely discredits your conspiracy theories.

I don't completely blame Biden, I blame Obama, for allowing the initial invasion to occur. Trump thankfully closed the door to expansion on Putin.

Putin saw that a line drawn in the sand by Obama-Biden is easily washed away.

Biden came in and opened the front door to illegal immigrants and the backdoor to Putin to continue his surge in Ukraine.

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To show there are victims of a Biden bait and switch scheme.

Haha! Perfect! You wanted Biden to do this, Now he has done what you wanted him to do its's suddenly something you didn't want him to do.

How many times does this happen to you?

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Dishonest

You know what else is "dishonest?" Criticizing Biden for not sending what was promised, after previously criticizing Biden for what he promised to send. It seems like one should be happen then.

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Inferior to which tanks? And which parts of the competing tanks are superior to the non-top secret parts of the US tanks? I mean, I assume you know what you're talking about, and you didn't just call it "inferior model" without actually having any clue whatsoever one way or the other, right?

I'm not an expert but Russians on Telegram are scornful of the Abrams tanks. They have a powerful gun but are lacking in every other way. The worst thing about them is how (relatively) fragile they are for tanks. They say the Abrams are basically copies of the Leopard tanks with a slightly bigger gun but lots of electronics only there so Americans can say it isn't a copy of the German tanks. And they are putting their money where their mouth is. A private company is offering rewards of 150000 rubles for the first person/crew to take out a German tank but only 100000 for an American tank.

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Dessert proved the other day that little b knows almost as much about armored combined arms warfare as it does about election integrity or finance, which is to say precious little.

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This is Russia's fault and it's pretty pathetic to continually blame Biden 

It’s Russia fault that Biden lied about what tanks he is sending to Ukraine and when they are coming?

Oh sorry now we don’t have any in stock, wait 11 months for us to build and send you some inferiors ones cause we don’t trust you with all our actual technology?

that ain’t Russias fault.

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NATO might very well send F—16’s and it doesn’t matter which nation they come from.

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It’s Russia fault that Biden lied about what tanks he is sending to Ukraine and when they are coming?

Yeah. If Russia hadn't invaded a sovereign nation, none of this would be happening.

All of it is Russia's fault. All of it.

Although I an understand why you, as a supporter of the equally horrible invasion of Iraq, don't want to admit that invading sovereign nations based on lies is bad.

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It’s Russia fault that Biden lied about what tanks he is sending to Ukraine and when they are coming?

No, it's Russia's fault for invading and making the tanks even necessary. Again, it's pathetic to continually blame Biden for the war Russia started.

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The only weapons NATO could transfer to the Ukraine to turn the tide of the war is nukes

Maybe, but first let's try fighter jets, tanks, and non-nuclear missiles.

the Russian counter attack on USA would almost certainly lead to all out nuclear war.

It would end up with the end of Russia, and the deaths of the families of the Kremlin from follow-up nuclear weapons from the Americans, so I don't see them doing it. It's an empty threat.

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The US is telling Zelensky to pulled the plug in Bakhmut, because it is lost cause,causing lives and unnecessary military resources Google CNN Ukraine US Bakhmut Strategy

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Biden did the bait and switch.

Wow, it surprises me to see you suggesting Biden should have given away top-secret weaponry to Ukraine, after incessantly whining about giving anything to Ukraine at all. Why the change in extremes?

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It would end up with the end of Russia, and the deaths of the families of the Kremlin from follow-up nuclear weapons from the Americans, so I don't see them doing it. It's an empty threat.

It's an empty threat so USA should go ahead and give the Ukraine nukes and delivery systems? USA is in such deep and rapid decline, rather than lose empire I think a lot of crazed warmongers in government, the media, Hollywood (Sean Penn called on the USA gov to not rule out a nuke first strike on Russia and was applauded) are considering nuclear war.

No one can win a nuclear war. Hypothetically speaking, even if US/NATO launched a massive first strike that completely took out all of Russia's nukes, it would have to be so large that the fallout and dust in the atmosphere would lead to the end of civilization at best.

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It's an empty threat so USA should go ahead and give the Ukraine nukes and delivery systems?

Bingo, a cookie for you.

No one can win a nuclear war.

Which is exactly why even when Russia loses the war, they won't use nuclear weapons. They would just lose more, in a manner that would literally result in the end of their nation, both physically and metaphorically.

It's an empty threat.

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A special build without any of the top secret components included, so an inferior model tank.

This American general says that the polar opposite of you. Do you feel you have more credibility than he does?

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-tanks-destroyed-us-m1-abrams-richard-ojeda-bradley-fighting-vehicles-1777549?utm_source=Flipboard&utm_medium=App&utm_campaign=Partnerships

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And the Russians thought they were going to take Kyiv in 72 hours. Suddenly you believe their propaganda?

The only problem is, there is no record of anyone in the Russian government or military having said that. You think 30000 Russian soldiers could occupy a city of 3 million? They camped outside of Kiev and launched negotiations. When it became apparent NATO wasn't allowing it's Nasty puppet regime to negotiate, the Russians started fighting a war, much to the detriment of especially Ukrainians but also people all over the world.

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Russia is unstoppable, Bakhmut will fall very soon..

Well, we'll see what will happen when the tanks arrive, it will be the number one objective for Russia to destroy, tanks and patriot batteries will burn..

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All about central banking, fleecing of the coffers through weapons procurement, paid of course by taxpayers, through either direct taxes, or indirectly through inflation forced by excessive printing of paper or cyber money, and of course, consolidation of the World under one government, one currency, one religion.

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The only problem is, there is no record of anyone in the Russian government or military having said that.

An autocracy has full control over the local media.

Just ask China.

You think 30000 Russian soldiers could occupy a city of 3 million?

They certainly tried, until their inferior army was beat back.

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Sad fact is that Ukraine is running out of soldiers. All the equipment in the world is not going to help if they don't have people to operate them effectively.

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Sad fact is that Ukraine is running out of soldiers. All the equipment in the world is not going to help if they don't have people to operate them effectively.

Sad yes but not really a problem for US and nato.they don't care about the Ukrainians. Even zelensky doesn't care for his own people.

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Good war for them, no casualties

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There are any number of sources that show that the Russian battle plan was to seize Kiev in 72 hours regardless of what was said publicly.

To claim otherwise is to mark oneself as a duplicitous rube.

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This American general says that the polar opposite of you. Do you feel you have more credibility than he does?

retired MAJOR, not General. posting on Twitter. wow!

He doesnt mention that Biden has since switched out the M1A1 for an inferior version of M1A2. He also falsely thinks as you do that Ukraine is getting the tanks that American soldiers use. they arent.

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He doesnt mention that Biden has since switched out the M1A1 for an inferior version of M1A2. He also falsely thinks as you do that Ukraine is getting the tanks that American soldiers use. they arent.

It’s different, not markedly “inferior”. Department of Energy regulations prevent Armor that utilizes depleted uranium and substitutes Tungsten.

Honestly, I would prefer that those regulations be superseded for the purpose of speed and in the end they may be.

But these tanks will still be vastly superior to the junk the Russians are using.

And this is just a cats paw because this one is opposed to anything that would prevent the Moscow Midget from imposing his fascist will upon Ukraine .

The more it talks, the more ridiculous and nonsensical it reveals itself to be.

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UA is running out of soldiers-this is fact

UA will not get new "magic" tanks from USA anytime soon-another fact.

UA forces are not winning at any fronts-another fact.

evil from USA who is behind all of this misery must come to its senses and stop funding UA regime.this conflict will end same moment as US funds will get dry.as simple as is.

there is no other way to solve this conflict than peace negotiation.as now UA feels will "win" over Russia anytime soon,Russia see more weapons and support and money are flowing to UA as to kind of black hole so there is no meaning for any peace talks at this very moment.

sad for ordinary UA citizen.have to be patient unedr oligarkhs and bandts bandera regime before,have to patient now too.

btw did anyone from you see how UA army recruiting new soldiers,say in Zakarpatie region?truly banderistan.

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A single white child killed at the hands of these communists is a crime against all humanity

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Is their a law against educating Japanese,about unpleasant thing ,they may come across and be unpleasant,but will help them in the long run to be mentally tough,in America,you are told them by people,that you should of known about yourself, whether you like it or not,it up too you grasp what has been told about and deal with it

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WSJ Admits Bakhmut Almost Cut Off; Russia Pushes Forward at Vuhledar; US Military Wants Quick End to Ukraine War to Concentrate on China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psLmxw45cus

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More war crimes, more attrocities, more genocide attempts by those RuSSian marauders.

Did anyone expect anything else? As for me: no!

What happened to the 3-day-limited operaion?

What happened to the eradicating Nazism?

What happened to that "satans eliminating" stuff?

The only truth is that RuSSia wants to eliminate anything and everything connected to Ukraine.

Bus despite all the misery ....

Ukaine prevails!

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Putin will order the use of nuclear weapons before giving up on the Russian speakers in East Ukraine.

He’ll go down with them.

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I guess we shouldn't blame the writers for assuming the only Ukrainian civilians to be killed are those who Russian strikes killed, because never, ever, in the entirety of time have those who fire their weapons for Zelensky even injured anyone but the bad guys, and they never will.

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Putin will order the use of nuclear weapons before giving up on the Russian speakers in East Ukraine.

No he won’t. Like all sociopaths, the Moscow Midget only cares about himself. He will abandon these people if it’s in his interest.

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I see there is another "UA victory in progress" in Bakhmut,any update from your side?

Or will we pretend that its "not significant" too?

Russia will prevail.

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The Russians are leaving alive or staying dead, their choice.

But Ukraine is going to regain its territory and nothing the midget from Moscow does changes that.

The horde of drunks, rapists and addicts sent as cannon meat haven’t de-salinated Bakhmut, much less de-satanized or de-nazified Ukraine.

With the weapons coming online and the UA’s willingness to fight, The Russians are going to lose this war.

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Eastman,

before asking that question, how about giving me your information?

Isn't it this way it's supposed to work?

As you can tell, Ukraine prevails, has prevailed for more than those 3 days!

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Eastman- here is a situation update I think we can all agree on:

https://twitter.com/Flingan67/status/1620139002031673345

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UChoose,

Wow, that’s a lot of dead Russians.

One would think that they’d wise up to the fact that they were in an ambush.

I guess Wagner group isn’t sending their best.….

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