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Hopefully the sanctions will have a maximum effect and your horrible government won’t invade and brutalize your peaceful neighbors again. What goes around comes around.

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“CBOT traders are starting to understand that the Ukraine war will be extended, and even if Russia is able to capture Ukraine in the coming weeks, the world will not allow Russian/Ukraine grain [or] energy to be sold,” research company AgResource said in a note Tuesday.

Russia is the world’s leading exporter of wheat, with Ukraine not far behind. In the last full marketing year, Russia exported over 39 million metric tons of wheat, according to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Ukraine shipped nearly 17 million tons of wheat that year. By comparison, the U.S. exported 27 million tons.

What does that mean when Russia takes Ukraine? Are they going to sanction that too, and cut world supply in half???

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-01/card/ukraine-war-lifts-wheat-prices-to-highest-since-2008-9nuaCPvbPy5IS4NfQ4Fz

https://oec.world/en/profile/hs92/wheat

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What does that mean when Russia takes Ukraine? Are they going to sanction that too, and cut world supply in half???

I suspect Ukrainian farmers are not going to grow much wheat in the foreseeable future. Not until the Russians are either defeated or decide they have had enough and withdraw. It is difficult to farm when you are fighting to defend your homeland. After WWII the Ukrainians fended off the Red Army for a good ten years before finally succumbing. And they were surrounded by Soviet client states back then. Today they have NATO allies on their borders willing to supply them with weapons and other necessities.

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Goldman Sachs is estimating the war and sanctions will cost Russia at least 7% of its economy this year, and that if the war drags on into next year the impact will be even greater in 2023.

Russia has gone from being an up-and-coming BRIC economy 10 years ago, to being basically in the same condition it was in in the early 1990s in the aftermath of the Soviet collapse, with a totally dysfunctional economy.

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“Ukrainians were more than happy to work with the nazis (WWII) until the nazis treated them like a scourge. … “

Wasn’t WWII over 70 years ago? Most of those people are either dead by now or very, very old. Anyway, what’s the justification for the war crimes Russia’s committing now in Ukraine?

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I am an American. Putin the butcher and his cronies need to be stopped. The targeting of innocent civilians is a war crime. The UN needs to do it’s job and send a peacekeeping force in made up of many nations to oppose the Russian butchers. Aggression needs to be stopped as soon as it raises it’s ugly head. Putin may have nukes, but so does the US and NATO. No one wants a nuclear exchange, but the fear of such cannot deter the rest of the world from doing what is right!

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@stormcrow

your peaceful neighbors again

And who these peaceful neighbors are? To call Ukraine "peaceful" is just nonsense. For eight years, since 2014 the Ukrainian regime bombarded almost daily with artillery and air strikes the population of Donbas. Tens of thousand of people were killed as a result of this crime, but EU / NATO completely ignored what was happening - the killings, the regime's refusal to implement the Minsk peace agreements it signed with Donbas to end the conflict. The Ukrainian regime is no more peaceful then Myanmar military junta, even worse.

Wasn’t WWII over 70 years ago? Most of those people are either dead by now or very, very old

Present Ukraine's official state heroes are WWII Nazi collaborators, like memebers of the Wafen-SS 14th (Ukrainian) division "Galicina".

@Desert Tortoise

After WWII the Ukrainians fended off the Red Army for a good ten years before finally succumbing

In WWII the Ukrainians overwhelmengly were with the Soviet Army. After the war only scattered groups of diehard Nazi collaborators continued to fight. Most were flushed out from their bunkers in several years by security forces (not army units).

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It’s pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that this is ultimately going to be detrimental for Russia. Russians are already turning on the government and as the typical Russian spirals into poverty and a more uncomfortable life, which is inevitable; they will turn on the government. I think another collapse is in the near future.

I don’t think Putin miscalculated, I think he is just bored and playing simulation with his citizens.

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Asakaze, Feb 16 -

read or watch any source that directly cite Putin or foreign minister Lavrov. From the very beginning they clearly say Russia have no intentions to invade Ukraine. 

So lets get this straight.

First you peddle the line that "Russia would never invade" Ukraine - that idea was simply "warmongering" by the West and "MSM".

Listen to the direct message from Putin and Lavrov, you told us.

Now the Russians have - predictably - invaded, you are trying to justify the outrage by rambling about wars and regimes from almost 80 years ago.

The reality is : right here in 2022, fascist Russia has invaded a sovereign, independent nation with a democratically elected government. This is Ukrainian land. The tiny tyrant and his decaying country are finished long term. All your talk about happenings 80 years ago will not change that.

You and the dwindling rabble of Putin supporters are on the wrong side of history.

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But Asakaze, Ukraine had been minding its own business until Russia decided to renege on its previous agreement on Crimea and annex it by force. As for being Nazis during WWII, isn’t that kind of like saying there were Communists in Russia during WWII? Stalin and Hitler were partners on dividing Poland, but it would be unfair to judge today’s Russians based on that thinking, wouldn’t it? Live and let live, Asakaze . . . Live and let live.

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@Fighto!

So lets get this straight.

First you peddle the line that "Russia would never invade" Ukraine - that idea was simply "warmongering" by the West and "MSM".

All right, let's get this straight.

The West actually was warmongering, for months hollering about imminent invasion, setting a new date every several days, at the same time pushing hard the Ukronazi regime to renege completely with the Minsk peace agreements and restart a mass bloodshed in Donbas. The regime did it, in past two weeks its artillery fired at Donbas hundreds of heavy artillery shells. From 2014 many people of Donbas still live in shelters to cover from the Ukrainian artillery. Why the West is not concerned about that? In 90s NATO justified its aggression against Yugoslavia by "necessity to defend the population of Kosovo from a murderous regime". Now Russia does the same: it defends the population from a murderous regime.

outrage by rambling about wars and regimes from almost 80 years ago

I'm talking about a present day regime that kills its population with the help of Nazi ideology that you rambling to defend.

You and the dwindling rabble of Putin supporters are on the wrong side of history

The Ukrainian regime, its supporters and the whole NATO will go after their Third Reich forefathers.

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@stormcrow

Stalin and Hitler were partners on dividing Poland

If use your logic then UK, France and Poland were Hitler's partners when they presented Hitler with Czechoslovakia (and Poland actully took a good slice of Chech territory).

Live and let live, Asakaze . . . Live and let live

Wonderful idea. Will you bring it to the Ukrainian regime that was killing its people in Donbas since 2014?

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Now Russia does the same: it defends the population from a murderous regime.

No one his taking this interpretation of events seriously. Russia is clearly am aggressive, expansionist regime conducting a very bloody war. Your ramblings do not change that.

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The "hardships" listed in the article don't seem like much. and I would guess that sanctions are not causing real pain after like 5 days of them.....

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The Ukrainian regime, its supporters and the whole NATO will go after their Third Reich forefathers.

That's a lot of people. Where do you think they will "go"?

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The "hardships" listed in the article don't seem like much. and I would guess that sanctions are not causing real pain after like 5 days of them.....

I guess you overlooked the nose dive the rubles value took, that is an immediate hit.

Of course, a lot of sanctions take more than a week to take impact, I don’t think anyone suggested otherwise.

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The thing that a bunch of Ukrainian's told me over 20 years ago when I asked them how they'd managed to stay informed when the press and the government wouldn't tell them the whole truth was 'look for the gaps, listen for the silence, that where you find the shape of the truth'.

So when I hear shouted again and again 'we've stopped buying from them' and how much it must hurt them, I listen for warning about the high cost, but somehow 'it's minor' is all that they say.

Yet we wouldn't have been buying so much if that were so, that's not how capitalism works.

Guess what you find in those gaps? The battery makers buy nickel, and as someone who Sudbury Ontario has many times driven through, knows there's lots of nickel in the ground, so what's the big deal. Except I've also played games with metals galore, bending and shaping, heating up, cooling down, joining together and forcing apart, so I know how different steel can be from steel, and it turns out to be true for nickel, too.

And the nickel that makes a battery last is much in demand, but also not made everywhere, and the lack of Russian nickel those factories will shut down.

And so it goes, sector by sector, our economy across, because global integration cut costs, but also means that when we cut others, we also bleed.

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But Asakaze, the UK and France didn’t invade and claim part of Czechoslovakia for themselves. They just said they weren’t going to fight Hitler over it, although that was not the wise thing to do. However, they didn’t get in on a piece of the action like Stalin did with Poland. The UK and France were just afraid, whereas Stalin was just greedy and opportunistic. Still, we have to break away from this sins of the father mentality if we want o live together peacefully. Killing thousands of your neighbors and making refugees out of millions more is just going to create more heartache and trouble, wouldn’t you agree?

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@Asakaze, I was wondering where you'd gone. After claiming for weeks that the invasion wouldn't happen, I presumed the actual invasion had rocked your world. I pictured that you were sitting in a darkened room muttering 'I've been lied to!' over and over again.

I'm almost pleased that you spent the time wisely constructing a mental new insulating blanket, and a particuarly vicious one too. But how are you going to weave Blair & Cheney into it?

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Wheat prices trade ‘limit up’ again, hit highest in nearly 14 years as Russia-Ukraine conflict continues

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/wheat-prices-trade-limit-up-again-hit-highest-in-nearly-14-years.html

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@Asakaze, I was wondering where you'd gone. After claiming for weeks that the invasion wouldn't happen

It's almost as though his posts entirely reflect the messaging coming out of the Kremlin. No doubt a coincidence.

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@UChosePoorly

That's a lot of people. Where do you think they will "go"?

To the dustbin of history, where they rightfully belong.

@stormcrow

The UK and France were just afraid, whereas Stalin was just greedy and opportunistic

No, UK and France just wanted to channel Hitler's aggression on the Soviet Union, not on them. Don't forget, USSR was the last power to sign a treaty with Hitler, Poland was the first. And in 1939 Stalin just returned Soviet lands that Poland had stolen twenty years before that during the Russian Civil war. Stalin just returned the favor.

@ClippetyClop

I presumed the actual invasion had rocked your world. I pictured that you were sitting in a darkened room muttering 'I've been lied to!' over and over again

Pleased to see you have very florid imagination. How about writing books, or movie scripts? Another season of "Foyle's war"?

Don't worry about me, I just don't live for this board, I only come here from time to time to take some rust off my English.

But how are you going to weave Blair & Cheney into it?

I'd like to weave them into a war crimes trial, they deserved it.

@Ah_so

No one his taking this interpretation of events seriously. Russia is clearly am aggressive, expansionist regime

Your opinion is extremely importand for the people of Donbas who are being killed daily for the last eight years.

It's almost as though his posts entirely reflect the messaging coming out of the Kremlin. No doubt a coincidence

It's almost as though your posts entirely reflect the messaging coming out of the White House. No doubt a coincidence.

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But how are you going to weave Blair & Cheney into it?

I'd like to weave them into a war crimes trial, they deserved it.

They certainly do, but Vlad has pushed them to the back of the queue unless another magical 'clerical error' comes to his rescue.

I only come here from time to time to take some rust off my English.

Sure you do. I imagine you've got a lot of forums to cover these days.

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If Russia stops fighting,

...there's no more war.

If Ukraine stops fighting,

...there's no more Ukraine.

The only way this ends is for the Russian people to rise up and excise Putin from their government. At least one Oligarch has put out a bounty on Putin's head already. It's only a matter of time. He'd better sleep with both eyes open, and be weary of his best friends.

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“Ukrainians were more than happy to work with the nazis (WWII) until the nazis treated them like a scourge. … 

Consider that the Ukrainians of 1941 were suffering from Stalin's purges, famine and losing everything they once owned to collectivization. They initially saw the Germans as liberating them from Soviet tyranny. They didn't really understand the nature of the Nazi regime, though they found out soon enough. Western Ukraine whipsawed from being part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire to briefly part of an independent Ukraine after the Bolshevik revolution to two wars with Poland were divided by the Peace of Riga between the Poles and USSR. The depravations of the USSR led many to welcome the Germans initially, though a resistance to them soon formed.

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There is an interesting proposal being floated to use the $650 billion in Russian government and $350 billion or more Russian tycoon funds currently seized by western governments to pay Ukrainians an income. This would include both Ukrainians who stay and fight in Ukraine and those who are now refugees. Due to a program to make Covid-19 stimulus payments most Ukraine families are able to receive funds through their cell phones, greatly easing the mechanics of such a program. Western governments need to hold a conference and make the necessary arrangements. These funds could cover the costs of housing and feeding refugees as well as give Ukrainians a replacement income. The one thing that has to be addressed is that there may be lawsuits filed against those funds by Ukrainians who suffered loss during the invasion. Funds to pay these suits may have to be set aside or some other legal mechanism developed for these claims.

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"They will make a desert and call it peace."

Anything else has got to be better than what Putin is currently doing to Ukraine.

This Russian leader, this Putin, is quite mad and dangerous.

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