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South Korea plans to send 600,000 coronavirus testing kits to the United States on Tuesday in the first such shipment following a request from U.S. President Donald Trump, a Seoul official told Reuters on Monday.

Thank you, RoK. Wouldn’t it be great if the US had been prepared for this? It’s almost as if there were no warnings about a similar event happening or those warnings and calls for preparation were ignored.

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Concerning at first sight, but until the questions raised by the experts quoted in the article are answered, the truth is we do not know the import of these cases.

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Other experts said faulty tests may be playing a role, or remnants of the virus may still be in patients' systems

This clearly suggests the tests are throwing false positives (not false negatives) and that means a whole bunch of figures listed globally could be inflated.

False positives would even inflate the death toll as deaths are being incorrectly attributed to coronavirus.

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If these are not false positives then we might as well all go back to work. If you can have it, recover, then get it again and still not die there is no point.

There would never be a time where some people who have no symptoms couldn’t give it tosomeone else.

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This clearly suggests the tests are throwing false positives (not false negatives) 

I don't think it clearly suggests anything. It indicates a great deal of uncertainty.

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Concerning, but the low number is a cause for optimism.

This clearly suggests

Avoid using ‘clearly’ here.

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BB.

This clearly suggests the tests are throwing false positives (not false negatives) and that means a whole bunch of figures listed globally could be inflated.

Could you expand on how "experts said faulty tests may be playing a role," (nowhere in this article is your false positives asserted) in South Korea can lead to "a whole bunch of figures listed globally could be inflated.

I have a felling that you are the one doing the inflating.

gary

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Probably meaning no vaccine on the horizon as their immune system have not developed a resistance. Which means a HIV / AIDS like cocktail, which could take years.

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Reports of people with antibodies relapsing are troubling, but more investigating is called for.

As for dispensing with social distancing rules before a substantial percentage of the population has acquired immunity, either through surviving sickness or through a vaccine, would seem to be an invitation for a second wave to inflict the damage that was avoided when the first wave of infections was flattened out.

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Let's hope Covid-19 is not a "zombie" virus that refuses to die.

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False positives who were herded into rooms with real victims. If it really were true, it would be like a Stephen King novel and you certainly wouldn't have heard it here first on JT.

In breaking news....

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Could you expand on how "experts said faulty tests may be playing a role," (nowhere in this article is your false positives asserted) in South Korea

Gary, thanks the followup question.

You forgot the read the "or" that follows the quote from the article. It logically implies that the experts feel the tests may be throwing false positives, not false negatives.

Read the entire sentence in the article, they are pointing to false positives.

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remnants of the virus may still be in patients' systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.

This suggests the possibility of a false negative - falsely cleared initially, but the virus still there.

And the point of finding these, re-isolating/ treating, is to minimize the risks to others as we await a vaccine.

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This clearly suggests the tests are throwing false positives (not false negatives) and that means a whole bunch of figures listed globally could be inflated.

> False positives would even inflate the death toll as deaths are being incorrectly attributed to coronavirus.

Faulty tests could be a problem.

Or maybe all the medical care only supressed the virus to undetectable levels. When they were no longer receiving care, and the bodies immune system got weak again then the virus returned like HIV, HPV, or Herpes.

Or the virus is a living thing, and it is still mutating, so they are exposed to a slightly different version. The flu is a mixture of viruses, and the coronavirus is probably a mixture too if it came from a wet market.

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This is pretty scary. If this virus can re-emerge in large numbers of people, the possibility of infecting others also re-emerges meaning this will be something we won't be able to get rid of.

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This virus and the data are still too new - there's still processes we don't have a clear picture of what's happening

That's why the medical experts advice not to assume anything

For now keep following the same precautions in the meantime, even after being treated for the virus

Better safe than sorry

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If these are not false positives then we might as well all go back to work. If you can have it, recover, then get it again and still not die there is no point.

Good idea that. Let's all endeavour to catch it as quickly as possible, and all at the same time. I'm sure the health system is pretty well equipped for that sort of thing.

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I guess the only way to get credit for dealing with a pandemic is to have huge numbers to begin with then try to handle the situation once the disaster happened.

Japan never reached the disaster level and numbers S. Korea has.... Does facts matter? No

Even though Japan has handle this disaster better than most with low death, hospitals not overwhelmed with patients, the truth is inconvenient and trolling Japan is the normal.

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Sad to say, but the prospects for a "quick" recovery keep looking dimmer and dimmer. We won't be rid of this thing in one worldwide round of shutdowns, it seems. Expect to be in this for the long haul.

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More than likely in some cases the antibodies produced by the first infection are being retained at too low a level to prevent detection or prevent the symptoms of reinfection.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v1.full.pdf+html

"About 30% of patients failed to develop high titers of NAbs (neutralizing antibodies) after COVID-19 infection"

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Without a vaccine, the infected will be forever discriminated against because the uninfected will never feel safe around them.

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What would make anyone think there's immunity to this once you've had it? None I'm aware of.

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Maybe coronavirus becomes a chronic condition.

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> remnants of the virus may still be in patients' systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.

This suggests the possibility of a false negative - falsely cleared initially, but the virus still there.

The above.

@ Burning Bush

When Spain claimed the “faulty tests” from China, the tests failed to test positive on patients with symptoms and serious conditions. This is called a false negative not the other way around.

The other way around, as you believe would be if the “faulty tests” test positive and doctors say “no way, he’s negative” which wouldn’t make sense because you’re unable to make that call that’s why you test.

Patients who tested positive but later recover are not false positives as you seem to be thinking.

It goes both ways with faulty tests.

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there no point of lockdown corona virus is the most common cause of common cold and there is no immunity to it, covid19 is same

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I think it's more concerning if it's reactivation instead of reinfection

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there no point of lockdown corona virus is the most common cause of common cold and there is no immunity to it, covid19 is same

Really ? Then why is there immunity of 3 to 4 years to the original 2002 SARS virus ?

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False positives would even inflate the death toll as deaths are being incorrectly attributed to coronavirus

Goes both ways, it can also deflate the death toll

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Good leader never let people down.

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corona virus is the most common cause of common cold and there is no immunity to it

Um, yes there is. After people catch a cold, they have an immunity to it, for a period of time or forever.

You don't think the common cold is just a single virus that we keep catching, do you? It's not. It's a catch-all term for the various light viruses that show up with the symptoms we ascribe to 'the common cold'. When we catch one, and recover, we have an immunity. When we catch a cold again, it's a new virus (or an older one we've lost the immunity to).

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Pandemic is the litmus test of true leadership, and Moon passed the test.

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Pandemic is the litmus test of true leadership, and Moon passed the test

A test that could have been avoided with the pathetic and disgusting lack of true leadership by the Xi-CCP in the FIRST PLACE which created the pandemic. Following that list of monumental failures in true leadership by many other countries (Trump, Kim, Johnson, Abe...). Yeah, Moon and government did well with mess he was given.

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HonestDictator said "A test that could have been avoided with the pathetic and disgusting lack of true leadership by the Xi-CCP in the FIRST PLACE which created the pandemic."

Obviously, you are not a doctor, are you ? Check what pandemic and virus mean before you are talking about it. Ask your honest leader to avoid the test, within your sovereign border.

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Folks, this virus has been touted as being a cross between SARs & HIV - Once you have it, you're stuck with it. If your body can suppress it, then you are temporarily lucky, however it will, still remain within your body, and sadly resurrect itself at the time when you are at your weakest, to attack you again... this is why it is so scary, and you need to really take this seriously! Really, do avoid Partying and/or Socialising in person for the next month or two... Come on... support the #AbsenceMakesFonder approach.

If you can afford to do so, it may be prudent, if you feel you may have come into contact with someone who has the Virus, to get ahold of PEP medication and go through the 28 day period of adherence to that medication - you make the choice - it's your call.

The WHO site - makes mentions of this...

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-on-covid-19-hiv-and-antiretrovirals

effectively saying that those who took it, seemed to be less likely to be infected - but they couldn't be sure.... you decide.

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With that said, I agree with Trump - the WHO has on face value, scummed to Political influence, and blatantly did not wish to be seen as being Critical of China for fear of having access revoked. And access, was/is still limited to the CCP Political version of events.

The WHO has no teeth. That is the real problem. It should have the Power to go wherever it needs to go in order to conduct the sole nature of its activities - otherwise just simply let the Red Cross/Crescent take over as best they can.

Personally I don't like this WHO leader (Tedros) ... he lacks Leadership engagement, which has given rise to the suspicions surrounding the organisation he "leads" as being taken over by one State. This would not have happened by a True leader, and only he, has to answer for that. He's not even a Medical Authority himself ... so WTF ?!

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Patient zero at the Shincheonji Church has been in the hospital since she was diagnosed with the virus. No symptoms for the entire month but she still has it.

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@Garthgoyle First, I think your thinking of Patient 31; who was directly traced as a source for 60% of all coronavirus infections in Korea. She's been died for a while. Also, something Korea media never mentions because they don't want Koreans to discriminate against nationalities but Patient 31 was a Chinese national.

Korea definitely past the test; people here mistakenly think that having a high number of coronavirus cases is bad leadership, but what Patient 31 shows us is that it just takes one person to take down a country. What's important is the duration and location of the infections.

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Are these re-infected or re-activated cases resulting in the pattern of disease progression that was seen in the initial outbreak? Are these patients re-developing symptoms, as well? The article reports the positive test results but doesn't say if the individuals involved are following a similar statistical trajectory in regards to hospital admissions, ICU admissions or mortality.

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Perhaps someone has pointed this out already but the problem with the current crop of Covid-19 tests, so far, is not false positives. It is 10-20% false negatives...

https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-testing-false-negatives.html

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Chip Star - Thank you, RoK. Wouldn’t it be great if the US had been prepared for this? It’s almost as if there were no warnings about a similar event happening or those warnings and calls for preparation were ignored.

Wouldn't it be great if China had shut down the Wuhan region when China first learned that it had a deadly virus? Continuing to blame the U.S., or any other country's leaders, for a Chinese virus is purely a political action.

Meanwhile,

S Korea reports more recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again

This is definitely a serious issue that must be addressed by the people who are actually trying to help the situation. The virus has only existed for a few months, and people who are actually trying to help the situation are still gathering data. People who are actually trying to help the situation are tying to create a vaccine. People who are actually trying to help the situation are making, and shipping, masks.

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