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Every single day is straight, white male pride day.

What a bunch of garbage!

Who has said they can't be proud of being white?

There's a difference being white and being right wing.

What about White and Left-wing?

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It seems all groups, with the exception of white people (especially white males) are allowed to be proud of being white.

Every single day is straight, white male pride day.

Who has said they can't be proud of being white?

There's a difference being white and being right wing.

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Error in my post...proud of being white should be proud of their heritage

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@WA4TKG - I am relatively liberal and unfortunately things seem to be degrading down to that level. The U.S. is being divided (it almost seems to be as if by design).

I agree with you. Anyone ashamed of being white is pathetic. And that is not in any way a racist statement because I respect all cultures.

It seems all groups, with the exception of white people (especially white males) are allowed to be proud of being white.

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Start making signs that say: "I'm a criminal; I'm White". Then, go back to wherever your grandparents are from, if you're so ashamed of being what you are. Pathetic.

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Aye. Working class Jewish and Irish people fought the fascists in the Battle of Cable Street.

Vigilamtism and thuggery are not the answer to white nationalists. And it's definitely not the answer to a free speech event or an anti-Marxist demonstration. They may call themselves anti -fascist but their tactics are as fascist and un -American as you can get. The very definition of projection.

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Fascism reared it's ugly head in the UK in the 30's with Mosley's Blackshirts. The UK rejected it, not interested.

Aye. Working class Jewish and Irish people fought the fascists in the Battle of Cable Street. They'd be villified here, now.

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Orwell said that if fascism came to Britain, it would call itself anti-fascism.

No, Orwell never said that.

Fascism reared it's ugly head in the UK in the 30's with Mosley's Blackshirts. The UK rejected it, not interested.

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Orwell said that if fascism came to Britain, it would call itself anti-fascism.

Right insight, wrong country.

That quote has also been atributed to Churchill and Huey Long. Neither said it. And as far as I can see; Orwell didn't say it, either.

However;

in 1938, a New York Times reporter warned: “When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labelled ‘made in Germany’; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, ‘Americanism’.”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/feb/03/americanism-us-writers-imagine-fascist-future-fiction

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SuperLib: The only people supporting the violence on the left are the small number of people participating in it. The rest of us are trying to spread the message that violence only undercuts our message. It's counterproductive. 

Well I cannot disagree with you - violence is counterproductive. MLK was successful. Malcolm X and the Black Panthers generally did more harm than good.

White nationalists are isolated in America. Their violence doesn't actually do them much harm. They are already social outcastes and it may actually help at the margins by attracting a few more malcontents to their race based ideology. It also gives racists like David Duke a chance to claim mainstream credibility by associating themselves with the mainstream Right.

The cultural Left is ascendant and dominates popular cultural, elite opinion, and the media. The Antifa are idiots if they think they are helping the Left by attacking anyone they consider to be on the Right of center. They are going after the center Left with their attacks on the global trading system and by conflating free speech with violence. Instigating fights with Nazi's is one thing. Throwing urine and yelling expletives at police, anti-Marxist demonstrators, and free speech advocates only allow the mainstream Left to be tarred as extremists - just as the media and Progressives are trying to hang white nationalists around the necks of the Right. Mainstream Democrats are fools for not condemning Antifa and other violent far Left groups.

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These liberals are so stupid they don't even know they're responsible for Donald trump in office, the recent outburst of and the current strain of so-called "white supremacist", "neo-nazi", etc. groups. They don't realize during their tantrums they flout almost all rules of civil and democratic society; they act violent, instigate, judge, assume, cry; and then turn around and play the victim--victim culture. In short, they're just herd-minded, and in their ignorance and pawn-like masochism, they're the ones ruining the U.S. Soon, the far-right types who promote individuals' right to carry arms, will actually need those arms to fend off the stupidly insane left. And while the left is screaming epithets to all those who don't follow their program, while the left is blocking others' right to free-assembly, free-thought, and free-speech, they'll be violently acting upon others that don't agree with them, and at the same time, saying it's their right to free-thought, free-speech, etc. The United States' right and left factions: dumb and dumber, respectively.

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Fascism is pretty much the same thing.

Antifa is not fascism.

It's in the name- bit of a giveaway.

You were doing so good for a moment. So when you smash windows, beat up people that have a different worldview from yours, it's ok to crack their skulls or deny them free speech on college campuses or to engage in ANY physical altercation because you don't like them?

That's like saying White Nationalists and White Supremacists aren't the same thing in reality.

The right, by Satan, they sure are a rum bunch.

The left by their mindless minions.

OK so obviously you didn't actually take the time to read what I posted, so I'm not sure where you'd like to go from here. There was no humanizing of Antifa or support for their tactics anywhere in those articles. It's like you skimmed a couple of words and then just started writing what you wanted to be true.

Hmmmm...I never heard you condemning or vilifying them equally as you did the Neo Nazis.

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Bass4funk: Thats your point? You're trying now to humanize the ANTIFA? How is it you guys have open arms for this violent fascist loons with their violent and destructive history and give them a pass, but want to focus only on the.....oh, I know why...

OK so obviously you didn't actually take the time to read what I posted, so I'm not sure where you'd like to go from here. There was no humanizing of Antifa or support for their tactics anywhere in those articles. It's like you skimmed a couple of words and then just started writing what you wanted to be true.

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3:30 p.m. Protests calm, violence subsides: A massive crowd of people — some “Antifa,” some counter-protesters and some “Black Lives Matter” groups — has disbanded at Ohlone Park

These poeple have no wings. Soros is gonna spend a lot of money on this toilet lickers.

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Orwell said that if fascism came to Britain, it would call itself anti-fascism.

Right insight, wrong country.

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Yeah, guess all the videos of Antifa beating up....

If they are individual criminals the police will deal with it (no matter what group). But if you are a nazi marching with your tiki tourch (even with no crime, even with a permit) and you are outed on social media your life is trashed forever. No one, no employer will want you and even your family will disown you (at least in one case). It doesn't matter who commits a crime. A criminal is a criminal (white, black, brown, whatever). But just being a nazi you are branded for life and will be left undesirable for that duration. If a crime is on social media the cops will get hold of it and make arrest. But if you are a peaceful but hateful nazi just marching along and your face is ID'ed then you will have a very urgent message from your employer's HR department for a meeting with the boss the following Monday.

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Antifa is not fascism. It's in the name- bit of a giveaway.

Antifa are classic fascists, in the Orwellian "war is peace" way.

 I think there's an argument for its disassembling. Like the Soviet Bloc; its time has passed. 

I agree, and I am glad the left and the fascists have taken up the cause of state's rights. It means the contagion of fascism can be confined to small failed states like greater Portland. And it limits the most ambitious dreams of big government. The nation-state is obsolete. It's running on pure inertia now, mainly because nobody knows what will replace it.

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No USA at all? really?

Pretty much. The country is certainly anything but united. I think there's an argument for its disassembling.

Like the Soviet Bloc; its time has passed. It was an interesting idea for a while and there were great hopes but as usual; corruption, violence, wars... nothing lasts forever. Just ask the Romans.

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On Sunday police in Berkeley maintained a strict perimeter around the area in the beginning of the afternoon, including enforcing an emergency city rule outlawing sticks and other potential weapons from the park. Fifty officers were spread out at the area’s four entrances, according to The Daily Californian.

But antifa protesters — armed with sticks and shields, and clad in shin pads and gloves — largely routed the security checks and by 1:30 p.m. police reportedly left the security line at the Center Street and Milvaia Street entrance to the park. Berkeley police chief Andrew Greenwood told the AP the decision was strategic — a confrontation was sure to spark more violence between the protesters and police.

So basically the police just gave up and let the lawbreakers come in with weapons AFTER disarming the law abiding people. This is ok with you guys? What does this mean they 'routed' the security checks? They beat up the police manning those?

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Yeah, guess all the videos of Antifa beating up non Nazis yesterday wouldnt matter by now. Its the heroic KKK fighters again and the police doing a stand down again. Same thing different liberal city day.

As well as their chants of 'No Trump, no wall, no USA at all'.

No USA at all? really?

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When you come to realize and acknowledge that fascism is equally as bad as racism, do let me know.

Fascism is pretty much the same thing.

Antifa is not fascism. It's in the name- bit of a giveaway.

The right, by Satan, they sure are a rum bunch.

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@Super

Whats your point? You're trying now to humanize the ANTIFA? How is it you guys have open arms for this violent fascist loons with their violent and destructive history and give them a pass, but want to focus only on the.....oh, I know why...

The left, Good Lord....

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I don't know, shouting "what do we want, dead cops! When do we want it, now" is not what I would exactly call honorable, more like deplorable.

Even if this were true there is no relevance. There only relevance here are the Nazi racists and there is proof about that.

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Don't you think you guys are a bit out of control?

Check out some left wing publications. Groups that use violence are criticized for making liberal protests take a step back. Here's a link to search results from some left wing publications. Browse other Antifa articles if you want.

SLATE.COM: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aslate.com+antifa&oq=site%3Aslate.com+antifa&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.6279j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The Public Face of Antifa

[Liberals] see [Antifa's] tactics as counterproductive at best, and worry that they’re ceding the moral high ground to the right. In “The Rise of the Violent Left,” a recent Atlantic piece, Peter Beinart wrote about how antifa threatened to disrupt an annual parade in Portland, Oregon, if it included a contingent of Trump supporters; the parade ended up being canceled. “The people preventing Republicans from safely assembling on the streets of Portland may consider themselves fierce opponents of the authoritarianism growing on the American right,” wrote Beinart. “In truth, however, they are its unlikeliest allies.”

It’s certainly true that antifa refuses to eschew violence. According to CNN’s Jake Tapper, left-wing counterprotesters assaulted at least two journalists in Charlottesville. “The riot is our version of the strike,” said Anderson, even as he acknowledges a disconnect between some of antifa’s tactics and its goals. “Step one, broken window. Step two, we don’t know. Step three, classless and stateless society,” he said wryly. “I don’t think it works like that.”

POLITICO.COM: https://www.google.com/search?num=50&newwindow=1&q=site%3Apolitico.com+antifa&oq=site%3Apolitico.com+antifa&gs_l=psy-ab.3...476333.483197.0.483319.28.27.0.0.0.0.189.2157.15j8.23.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..5.5.661.6..0j35i39k1j0i20k1j0i131k1j0i20i46k1j46i20k1.QXn4iWBdkgk

How Liberal Portland Became America’s Most Politically Violent City

Unsurprisingly, antifa’s assault-related tactics, despite their continued usage, have proven less than effective, according to those who closely follow political extremism in the U.S.

“It just makes [antifa] feel good—they think they made a point,” the ADL’s Pitcavage said. “But their tactics are counterproductive. They haven’t made any dent over the years with those tactics. … And it gives the white supremacists an unbelievable amount of publicity.” After all, a lack of anti-Nazi brawl-and-bash protests weren’t the reasons fascists rose to the fore in Germany and Italy—and there’s little reason to think that depriving neo-Nazis of their First Amendment rights will prove any more successful than the myriad pre-WWII street brawls that failed to slow the rise of fascism in Europe. Pitcavage points out that the far-right has been far deadlier, far more corrosive, than any American antifa contingents over the past few decades—but antifa tactics have only exacerbated and inflamed far-right rosters: “All the antifa tactics do is give extremists more attention, make extremists feel good, feel like warriors—and give them an opportunity to recruit.”

The LA Times.com: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alatimes.com+antifa&oq=site%3Alatimes.com+antifa&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.7266j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Alt-right's despicability doesn't make 'antifa' the good guys

The antifa crowd has a very similar agenda with regard to traditional American liberalism. These goons and thugs oppose free speech, celebrate violence, despise dissent and have little use for anything else in the American political tradition. But many liberals, particularly in the media, are victims of the same kind of confusion that vexed so much of American liberalism in the 20th century. Because antifa suddenly has the (alt-)right enemies, they must be the good guys. They're not.

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The only people supporting the violence on the left are the small number of people participating in it. The rest of us are trying to spread the message that violence only undercuts our message. It's counterproductive. And it gives the smallest of back doors for the right to weasel out of when the conversation turns to the violence on their side.

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The difference being that Dems do not condemn or disassociate themselves from an organization that promotes Marxist authoritarians and violence.

For now Antifa is serving a purpose in the Dem's scheme of things, but mainly I think the Dems are afraid of Antifa and believe that by appeasement they (the Dems) can forestall the time when Antifa turns on them.

One chapter of Antifa has already publicly demonstrated against George Soros, demanding the money that they were promised for their services. Apparently Soros has been less than timely with the paychecks.

Sooner or later, the appeasement and payments are not going to be enough, but it will not be for lack of trying.

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Yes, those Allies who opposed the nazis were all Marxists. All of them. Patton and his army of Marxists. No respect for private property. Dreadful.

Every single soldier was a Marxist? Dude....lol

And the reich will gain popularity, if only to keep those horrid thuggish proles from uniting against racism.

Not even close, but the rise of fascism on the other hand is a very different story.

Is it ignoble to believe that black lives matter? That standing up to racists and anti-semites is the honorable thing?

I don't know, shouting "what do we want, dead cops! When do we want it, now" is not what I would exactly call honorable, more like deplorable.

@Super

When you come to realize and acknowledge that fascism is equally as bad as racism, do let me know.

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Wolfpack: But they have made their point. If you disagree with extremist Left wing views you will be denied the right to speak peacefully.

It doesn't happen often so it's not that big of a deal. And extremism on the right is out of control anyway so if it stops a few of them then it's worth it.

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Gibson later spoke in suburban Pacifica with a handful of supporters that included African Americans...

The irony here is that the so-called "white supremacist" had more African Americans in his crowd than the anti white-supremacy protestors. Look at the picture. I count one.

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The city never should the left extremist group and the right extremist group together. Why the right extremists can not have a right to freedom of speech while the left extremists can do it? It was wrong. The left extremists must let the right extremists to express their views and ideology, even thought they have difference view and ideology, but everyone has a right to freedom of speech. Both the left extremist group and the right extremist group are bad and dangerous to peaceful society. The left extremists always destroyed shops, cars and Government property as well as looting.

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why would anyone not a left wing Marxist go anywhere near that area.

To prove the point that extremists are really extreme. But they have made their point. If you disagree with extremist Left wing views you will be denied the right to speak peacefully. This group is not associated with any extremist groups but the professional Leftist protesters wanted to attack their free speech message.

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why would the legitimate right wing do anything in San Francisco ? it is so violently left wing in that area they practically have posters of chairman Mao and Vladimir Lenin hanging off buildings. plus after left wingers had that violent riot against Republican voters last year, where they assaulted people including that scene where some men held a female trump supporter against a hotel glass wall, beat her and the hotel would not let her in or help, why would anyone not a left wing Marxist go anywhere near that area.

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You clearly don't share their ideology so you probably shouldn't compare yourself to them, and if that's not ehat you are doing why mention them? I don't get it.

Perhaps there are people who want to normalize the horrid ideology of Marxism just as there are others who would like to do the same for the sickness of white nationalism?

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And on it continues. The justification for nazism.

Not to make this personal but members of my family in Eastern Europe were carted off to concentration camps. After the war, the soviets moved in and my uncle received a bullet to the back of the head for the crime of running a small tailoring shop with employees. I'd love to see you try to convince him that he was better under the Antifacsist Marxists than under the Nazis. These are both obscene ideologies that have no place in the 21st century.. no place at all, both of them, ever, period.

But I probably can't blame either you, the young antifa goons, or the young neo-nazis thugs with tiki torches for being so seemingly naive and indulging in this ideological nonsense. I'm guessing you are all from nice families in prosperous and peaceful countries where this is all just theoretical and intellectually stimulating for you. I just hope you can read up on history with a critical and objective eye.

Yes, those Allies who opposed the nazis were all Marxists. All of them. Patton and his army of Marxists.

Patton and most of the allies were obvious not Marxists. I honestly have no idea what you are even trying to insinuate here. Are you saying it was possible to fight the Nazis without being a Marxist? No argument there. But from what you have said, it's seems you are a Marxist, right? If so, what's your point about Patton and the western allies? You clearly don't share their ideology so you probably shouldn't compare yourself to them, and if that's not ehat you are doing why mention them? I don't get it.

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Joey Gibson, who is Japanese American and leads Patriot Prayer, said his group disavows racism and hatred and wanted to promote dialogue with people who may not share its views. 

The far Left in San Francisco thinks a Japanese-American free speech advocate is a white supremacist and fascist. This is how warped the Dems and the mainstream media that props them up have become. Things are so polarized in America - reality has become merely what the two sides want it to be. It is unreal. It's no wonder that the parties are losing membership and the media is so distrusted.

That's not entirely true though. The Daily Stomer's Andrew Anglin posted an extremely offensive article, mocking Heather Heyer.

Do you seriously believe a fringe white nationalist is influential in America half a century after Jim Crow? Are you reading his website? If so you are one of very few who are. I could easily go to a BLM website and take a comment from one of these nut cases about killing cops. The difference being that Dems do not condemn or disassociate themselves from an organization that promotes Marxist authoritarians and violence.

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The death of the female protester in Charlottesville has been condemned by Americans on all sides including Trump.

That's not entirely true though.

The Daily Stomer's Andrew Anglin posted an extremely offensive article, mocking Heather Heyer.

Meanwhile:

*The Southern Poverty Law Center is currently suing Anglin for launching what it calls a "harassment campaign that has relentlessly terrorized a Jewish woman and her family with anti-Semitic threats and messages." *Anglin's supporters have countered the lawsuit by raising over $150,000 in donations to support him.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/godaddy-drops-neo-nazi-site-over-charlottesville-victim-post-w497677

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katsu: What minor violence we're seeing come out of the left

Surely you are not justifying the shooting of Rep. Scalise and minimizing this act as minor? Shooting up a baseball field full of Republicans, trashing college campuses, threatening and assaulting speakers and their supporters, and sending thugs to start fights at Trump campaign rally's is minor? The death of the female protester in Charlottesville has been condemned by Americans on all sides including Trump. The Left is not condemning Antifa's violence. They support this violence just as white nationalists support violence against non- whites. I see no redeeming value in either form of violence and hatred. Mainstream Dems are playing footsie with Anarchists, projecting fascists, and Marxist authoritarians. When an opposition party goes off the rails it results in buffoons like Trump getting elected.

A single individual who does not represent any other left-wing movements should not be used to represent the whole of the left

Yet somehow the Left is working overtime to associate the Nazi party nut in Charlottesville with Trump - of the Republican Party. Both sides like to do this kind of thing for political gain.

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Bay Area once again showing the lack for propensity 4 diversity of speech expression. Who would've imagined in this day & age when the FSM began in Berkeley? Welp.

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bass: I have a fundamental problem with the left thinking that the ANTIFA and BLM are organizations that are fighting for some noble cause when all they have done is created chaos, pain and suffering and contributed to the death of quite a few people.

We know. The conversation went something like this:

Witness: Oh my god! That right wing nutjob just tried to murder dozens of counterprotesters with his car!

Bass: I have a fundamental problem with the left thinking that the ANTIFA and BLM are organizations that are fighting for some noble cause when all they have done is created chaos, pain and suffering and contributed to the death of quite a few people.

Witness: Uh, but what about the dead and injured on the ground right in front of you?

Bass: That's bad, but...

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So an Asian guy founded a white supremacist organization and miraculously, white supremacists want to follow his leadership, along with black and Hispanic folks. OK, got it. Makes perfect sense to me. It doesn't seem to make much sense to CNN, which has quietly decided to stop reporting on the gatherings in San Francisco altogether in the past 24 hours. 

There are a lot of idiots in America, but most Americans aren't idiots. The more this happens, that is the more episodes we have in which Leftists call an orange an apple and then proceed to forcefully police the fruit aisle in the grocery store, the less support they can ever hope to have from mainstream Americans. Yet we have Nancy Pelosi and the gang, along with Democratic city officials from the cities where these lawful assemblies are being suppressed perpetuating the misinformation about who and what the groups being shut down are, and praising the suppression of their rights.

 The Democratic Party is in serious trouble if its leadership continues to surf on this wave of energy, because it leads to a crash onto a rocky shore.

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I have a fundamental problem with the left thinking that the ANTIFA and BLM are organizations that are fighting for some noble cause

Is it ignoble to believe that black lives matter? That standing up to racists and anti-semites is the honorable thing?

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If people are forced to choose between fascism and Marxism, don't be surprised if they end up siding with fascism just as the Germans did.

And on it continues. The justification for nazism.

Objectively, it's the slightly lesser of these two evils when you look at death tolls, respect for human dignity, for law, rights and private property.

Yes, those Allies who opposed the nazis were all Marxists. All of them. Patton and his army of Marxists. No respect for private property. Dreadful.

Tell me more comrade, tell me what we would do to 'the rich' once we get our hands on them.

I'm sure you'll be grand. The status quo will remain, the working classes, the poor and marginalised of all colors and creeds will be where they always are. Under the heel of the elite.

And the reich will gain popularity, if only to keep those horrid thuggish proles from uniting against racism.

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Yes, I remember it clearly. Everyone on the left was posting, "Sure, attempted murder is bad, but...". Then we just talked about unrelated things like the KKK over and over again and refused to even acknowledge the shooting happened. Then Trump came out with a statement saying both sides were bad.

You don't have a problem with that, do you?

I have a fundamental problem with the left thinking that the ANTIFA and BLM are organizations that are fighting for some noble cause when all they have done is created chaos, pain and suffering and contributed to the death of quite a few people.

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Bass: What about when the Alt fascist left tried to murder a bunch of Republicans and almost killed a Senator, the left tried to make every excuse for that incident,

Yes, I remember it clearly. Everyone on the left was posting, "Sure, attempted murder is bad, but...". Then we just talked about unrelated things like the KKK over and over again and refused to even acknowledge the shooting happened. Then Trump came out with a statement saying both sides were bad.

You don't have a problem with that, do you?

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And Marxism class war is really something everyone can unite over.

Perhaps everyone with a tenuous grasp of history and a poor understanding of basic economics.

If the extreme left and extreme right are going to battle it out in the streets just like in Weimar Germany, those of us in the sane centre will end up being the losers. These two extremist groups just feed off of eachother as they have for most of the 20th century. If people are forced to choose between fascism and Marxism, don't be surprised if they end up siding with fascism just as the Germans did. Objectively, it's the slightly lesser of these two evils when you look at death tolls, respect for human dignity, for law, rights and private property.

Imagine if the working class whites and blacks rose up against the rich? 

Tell me more comrade, tell me what we would do to 'the rich' once we get our hands on them.

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Yep. The increasingly desperate attempts to label folk who stand up to nazis and hate speech is transparent at this stage.

Gotcha! Fascism is ok and acceptable to the left.

Plus an almost wilful ignorance trying to equate fascism with the men and women who defy the nazis.

I see, so denying FREE speech to conservatives is acceptable, good to know.

"I hate Illinois nazis".

What about the ones in California?

Unfortunately it does. Antifa is a Marxist outfit, it has been since it's inception in the 1930s. Just like the KKK and genuine neo-nazis, this is not a group that any respectable person should want to associate with even if you happen to share a common dislike of Trump with them.

Bingo!

The elite have been screwing with the ordinary black and white etc folks forever. Imagine if the working class whites and blacks rose up against the rich?

Then that means you are a Trump supporter after all! See, I knew you'd come around!

Herein lies the issue. The right has been dogged by racism and violence from these "not so bad" white supremacists, Nazis, and KKK members, so they've invented a narrative in their minds where kids breaking windows is now a perfectly equal and legitimate response to the racism and hatred from their party. 

Yes, because there is no difference between a racist and a fascist, other than, one hates you because of your ethnicity or religion and the other hates you because of your personal, political social beliefs or social standings, both have deep hate within their hearts and both are cancers to our society.

And they're holding on to that with both hands and praying to God it sticks. To them it's a massive sigh of relief to finally have a response to their party's racism. Yell "Antifa" over and over again and the murder by a right winger with his car suddenly disappears from the conversation.

What about when the Alt fascist left tried to murder a bunch of Republicans and almost killed a Senator, the left tried to make every excuse for that incident, but a poor woman gets hit with a car we have a crisis of biblical proportions. So, according to the left, shooting and almost killing someone is not as bad as someone driving over you with a car. I think I got it now.

It gets reduced to the typical, "that's bad, but" line of thinking the right uses to escape their past and present racism. Milo turns from a hate spewing conservative liability to a victim of liberal violence.

So then you are ok with liberals destroying campuses and intimidating university faculty to not allow free speech, you are ok with that?

If all left wingers are violent because of the actions of a few then I suppose all cops are bad because a few of them get out of line, too. Repeat after me: Sure, violence from protesters is bad, but the police... Bad people on both sides.

Now we are doing an apples and kiwi comparison?

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The Neo Nazis are a headache, but compared to the size and the violence that comes from the left, 

Herein lies the issue. The right has been dogged by racism and violence from these "not so bad" white supremacists, Nazis, and KKK members, so they've invented a narrative in their minds where kids breaking windows is now a perfectly equal and legitimate response to the racism and hatred from their party.

And they're holding on to that with both hands and praying to God it sticks. To them it's a massive sigh of relief to finally have a response to their party's racism. Yell "Antifa" over and over again and the murder by a right winger with his car suddenly disappears from the conversation. It gets reduced to the typical, "that's bad, but" line of thinking the right uses to escape their past and present racism. Milo turns from a hate spewing conservative liability to a victim of liberal violence.

If all left wingers are violent because of the actions of a few then I suppose all cops are bad because a few of them get out of line, too. Repeat after me: Sure, violence from protesters is bad, but the police... Bad people on both sides.

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Antifa is a Marxist outfit, it has been since it's inception in the 1930s. Just like the KKK and genuine neo-nazis, this is not a group that any respectable person should want to associate with even if you happen to share a common dislike of Trump with them.

Antifa is a broad church of people from all walks of life fighting fascists and nazis.

From Mussolini to opposing racism; this is very much a group that many would be proud to associate with.

The slurs will not halt or dishearten the good fight.

And Marxism class war is really something everyone can unite over. The elite have been screwing with the ordinary black and white etc folks forever. Imagine if the working class whites and blacks rose up against the rich? That's why the slurs and division will continue. Maintaining the status quo.

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Marxism and the class struggle has nowt to do with this.

Unfortunately it does. Antifa is a Marxist outfit, it has been since it's inception in the 1930s. Just like the KKK and genuine neo-nazis, this is not a group that any respectable person should want to associate with even if you happen to share a common dislike of Trump with them.

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Were there any white supremacists there?

Interesting, you also have claimed that Charlottsville was staged and the nazis were actors. And that Stormfront is fake.

Oh and that Israel aids ISIS.

Do you believe the disgusting Sandy Hook conspiracies as well?

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These Marxists are the same thugs who went crazy at Berkley to prevent Milo from talking, a jewish homosexual who is particularly fond of black men.

As pointed out previously; Marxism and the class struggle has nowt to do with this. And it's possible to be gay and Jewish and hold reprehensible views. Milo is a disgrace and a poster boy for the far right who like to pretend they are being inclusive.

Though why you keep mentioning that he likes black men when you have already mentioned his sexual orientation is beyond me.

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These hired violent thugs just label any view they don't like as hate speech, racism, white supremacy.

Were there any white supremacists there?

These Marxists are the same thugs who went crazy at Berkley to prevent Milo from talking, a jewish homosexual who is particularly fond of black men.

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The Neo Nazis are a headache, but compared to the size and the violence that comes from the left, doesn't even come close, but the left wants to avoid talking about that, the media doesn't want to focus on that. By now, we all know what's going on.

Yep. The increasingly desperate attempts to label folk who stand up to nazis and hate speech is transparent at this stage.

Plus an almost wilful ignorance trying to equate fascism with the men and women who defy the nazis.

"I hate Illinois nazis".

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What minor violence we're seeing come out of the left is violence in response to what their opponent chose to do, whereas the violence we're seeing come out of the right is violence in response to who they believe their opponent is.

I know you don't believe that crap, right? I laughed so hard at that. The left fascist, commies are so over the top violent. What happened this year at some of the universities? So because the radical Alt Left didn't want people like Ann Coulter or Milo Yiannopoulos don't want them to speak and don't honor free speech, these criminals think it's ok to wear masks, destroy the campus, break windows and intimidate the faculty in making sure these people don't get the chance to speak or you have some idiot leftist that hates Republicans, so he gets a gun and shoots at them, injuring and almost killing a sitting Senator? Going to Trump rallies and beating people and taunting them into an altercation. The Neo Nazis are a headache, but compared to the size and the violence that comes from the left, doesn't even come close, but the left wants to avoid talking about that, the media doesn't want to focus on that. By now, we all know what's going on.

The latter is far more dangerous, especially in the latest phase we're seeing with these far-right movements where hatemongers just decide someone is a Marxist or a communist just because they want to attach a label to someone that they believe permits that person to be demonized.

Yup, it's official, the left have completely retired to the forest.

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The difference being that when someone talks about punching a nazi, they are actually punching someone who takes actions that characterize Nazis, including shouting epithets against Jews, shouting "Heil" and performing Nazi salutes, advocating the removal of non-white peoples, etc. Whereas when people declare their support for terrorists like James Alex Fields who murder innocent counter protesters, they just declare all the victims to be communists because they need some excuse to justify murder in their minds.

Odd how some people seem very protective of nazis. How are people supposed to deal with them? In a Neville Chamberlain fashion? Perhaps a warm, loving hug?

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It's ridiculous to blame city officials for being concerned for the safety of their citizens. How crazy would they have been to ignore what happened in Charlottesville and 'not' try to keep counter protestors and protestors away from each other.  

Sorry that "Patriot Prayer" got it's feeling hurt - but if you're a group that likes to hurt other people's feelings, I guess you should live with that.

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Excuse me, but the headline is wrong. The white supremacists called out their rally not because of any "crack down" but because they were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of anti-while supremacist protesters. They begged out because they knew they would be dwarfed. It had nothing to do with the Mayor of San Francisco or the police or anyone else. There was a clear message from the people of San Francisco that they were against white supremacy. The white supremacists chickened out. They chicken out because they had no rational message.

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Looking at the photo at the top of the page, I can't really see any black people demonstrating for their rights-what I can see is white people just making a noise and basically doing them selves a disservice.....

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IllyasToday  03:56 pm JST

Apparently the leftist who shot up those Republican congressman has been memory holed.

A single individual who does not represent any other left-wing movements should not be used to represent the whole of the left, despite how tempting it is to people who want to believe they are the ones under threat.

You perfectly described what the 'punch a nazi' types are doing, attaching a label to someone and using that to justify violence.

The difference being that when someone talks about punching a nazi, they are actually punching someone who takes actions that characterize Nazis, including shouting epithets against Jews, shouting "Heil" and performing Nazi salutes, advocating the removal of non-white peoples, etc. Whereas when people declare their support for terrorists like James Alex Fields who murder innocent counter protesters, they just declare all the victims to be communists because they need some excuse to justify murder in their minds.

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What minor violence we're seeing come out of the left 

Apparently the leftist who shot up those Republican congressman has been memory holed.

hatemongers just decide someone is a Marxist or a communist just because they want to attach a label to someone that they believe permits that person to be demonized.

You perfectly described what the 'punch a nazi' types are doing, attaching a label to someone and using that to justify violence.

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Burning BushToday  03:11 pm JST

Tell me more about only one side is being violent.

While in general I don't condone violence as a response to speech, you're presenting a false equivalency. What minor violence we're seeing come out of the left is violence in response to what their opponent chose to do, whereas the violence we're seeing come out of the right is violence in response to who they believe their opponent is. The latter is far more dangerous, especially in the latest phase we're seeing with these far-right movements where hatemongers just decide someone is a Marxist or a communist just because they want to attach a label to someone that they believe permits that person to be demonized.

America, a country where free speech is muzzled by the authorities blocking routes

Last I checked that isn't a violation of free speech.

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Those poor, oppressed right wingers. If only they had a President who routinely panders to the sense of injustice heaped upon them.

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I doubt protests run any smoother in Russia.

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after he said his members received anonymous threats on social media

Tell me more about only one side is being violent.

America, a country where free speech is muzzled by the authorities blocking routes and thugs sending threats to protestors.

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Portland pro-Trump rally organizer: "I can't control everybody"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/portland-train-stabbing-suspect-jeremy-christian-free-speech-organizer-joey-gibson/

Jeremy Christian, the man accused of a deadly stabbing spree on a Portland, Oregon, commuter train made several outbursts in his first court appearance. The 35-year-old was arraigned Tuesday on aggravated murder and other charges. He is accused of going on a hate-filled tirade against two teenagers. He then allegedly stabbed three men who intervened to protect the teens, killing two.

Late last month, Christian had attended a Portland-area right-wing "March for Free Speech" carrying a bat and spouting hate speech. That "free speech" rally and others like it were organized by Joey Gibson, who denounced Christian's actions, which he said others are using against him.

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Golly, this poor Gibson guy just can't catch a break. All of these white supremacists and violent extremists keep showing up to support his rallies, and, gosh darn it, he can't control that. It's just so weird that they would pick him and his rallies to attend. I guess they must just love free speech?

And those opposing him, of course, must hate free speech. Must be that.

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