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Immigrants, eh? That must be Euro-speak of some kind. I wonder what group it could be referring to.

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Well, one thing I can say if you don't obey a police officer when they are enforcing the law they have the right to forcibly remove you if you don't do it peacefully by yourself. Thats just the way it works in some countries. If you're going to be forcibly removed don't expect to be handled with kiddy gloves.

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Finally, the little dwarf is starting to keep some of the campaign promises that got him elected, but only because he's a political weasel. Can France be saved? I doubt it.

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Europe has a big immigrant problem, and a huge gypsy problem. And I can't think of any easy solutions. Sociology specialists should analyze the situation and come up with a strategy asap

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So France has a two-tier citizenship system now? Revokable and non-revokable?

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If you boot them out, you are just exporting refugees who will create a problem for the next country that takes them in. If a person goes through the French naturalisation process and is accorded French citizenship, his subsequent criminal behaviour becomes France's problem, and it would be France's job to rehabilitate him or her.

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Finally, a French leader has "les oeufs" to say that if someone doesn't like the culture, that person has permission to leave. A country has an obligation to it "natural" citizens to protect its culture. Otherwise, Japan should adopt the culture of its major minority group's culture.

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So France has a two-tier citizenship system now? Revokable and non-revokable?

Well, it's Sarkozy....

Too bad the French can't revoke his presidency will-nilly every time he appoints a buddy or relative between now and the next election....

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Finally, a French leader has "les oeufs" to say that if someone doesn't like the culture, that person has permission to leave. A country has an obligation to it "natural" citizens to protect its culture. Otherwise, Japan should adopt the culture of its major minority group's culture.

Gimmicky to say the least so Le Prez could stave off his fickle popularity (now at 34%, Hatoyama looks less loopy than this dude)....

And if you're more fascinated preserving your so-called 'natural' citizenship, imposing assimilation should suffice (much like what they do in Saudi Arabia) Think about it :)

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Parts of Paris have turned into ghetto slums which probably inspired the movie District 9.

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Well , I' am with HD,just obey the police then have your days in court later.

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Sarkozy is a mytho.

Back in November 2005 when Sarko was grooming himself for the presidency from his role as then interior minister and during the Paris riots of that time I warned he was letting the riots happen rather than sends in the army to scare the people into voting for him.

He we are, but 5 years later, and he's sending out the troops for a simple rebellion by a group of travellers (read Gypsy) after the deep blue meanies executed one of them for a failure to stop??

Perhaps in America people are gunned down for not stopping at a second checkpoint, but here in Old Europe we haven't seen the likes of this since the Nazi's.

Sarko's gotta go. And there's only the left en face to replace his dicatatorial back-side. This kind of horror could turn me to religion.

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"HD,just obey the police then have your days in court later."

What day in court?

People don't take the police to courty here. They're part of the Army and a tenticle of the nanny state. There's no way this would happen.

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From the article:

"Many claimed that Sarkozy, plummeting in the polls, was using law-and-order and immigration issues to gain backing from deeply conservative swaths of the population and the minority far-right."

That's what he does. That's why he's oft named France's first American-style president, using a pale version of George-W-Bush-o-vision to get the scare vote.

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"Sarko's gotta go"

It's up to the French electorate to throw him out. For now, it seems the majority want him right where he is.

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"For now, it seems the majority want him right where he is."

In the poll you just made up perhaps. Every other poll shows his ratings are the lowest ever.

It's like finding Ameircan that would admit to voting for Bush's re-election sometime 2008...

The man doesn't even have the courage to admit he's going to run again, as if men of power ever actually want to give it up.

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I retract the last part of my last post. After checking, it seems only 37% support Sarkozy now. Heck, that's even worse than Obama's approval rate.

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"Parts of Paris have turned into ghetto slums which probably inspired the movie District 9."

Boy is that lame. The movie District 9, if you REALLY couldn't figure it out, was a statement on Apartheid, as witnessed by a boy born and raised to a certain age in South Africa. My gosh what a statement of utter ignorance.

A French citizen is a French citizen, and it's ridiculous that Sarkozy can say they can be deported. Where does it stop after that? If a family of mother and father who immigrated and their kids who were born in France attack a police officer, can the kids stay, or would Sarkozy see it in his 'wisdom' that they too are somehow not truly French but are immigrants?

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After checking, it seems only 37% support Sarkozy now. Heck, that's even worse than Obama's approval rate.

Bloomberg puts it at 34%.... his lowest rating (30%) would have elated Hatoyama. Sadly for the French they have to put up with this blunderer for another two years :(

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If you're going to be forcibly removed don't expect to be handled with kiddy gloves.

even if you have a kiddy in your arms. sorry ma'am thats the law!

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did you see the video? let me guess, it's her fault for being there with an infant, if she'd stayed in ungo bungo land it wouldn't have happened to her.

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after the deep blue meanies executed one of them for a failure to stop??

That's an interesting choice of loaded and prejudiced words. That gypsy was among a group attempting to flee, as they fled they fired shots at the police, the police returned fire and one of them was struck with a fatal shot. That's not quite the same as you color it.

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Quite simply proudnippon, if you recieve a letter or warning from the local government telling you, "we want you to move due to such and such rules and regulation, you are breaking the law" Do you just wait around and ignore it? Lets say they keep sending you letters and court orders telling you to listen to what they are saying and you still ignore it. who is at fault? Them for telling you to move because you are breaking their laws, or you for ignoring their warnings to cease and desist breaking their laws? When an immigrant you are always a guest in your host country, your children born into that country may have a better chance, but immigrants can easily lose naturalised citizenship and face deportation when they break that countries law.

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France has many many Muslims, both immigrants and French born. Just wait when Alqaeda gives some of these Muslim lads the green light to do terror in France, so I do not think Sarkozy is bad, he should step up his work to clean up France, the cradle of Western culture, too bad about the World Cup.

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Quite simply proudnippon, if you recieve a letter or warning from the local government telling you, "we want you to move due to such and such rules and regulation, you are breaking the law" Do you just wait around and ignore it? Lets say they keep sending you letters and court orders telling you to listen to what they are saying and you still ignore it. who is at fault?

err, quite simply if you are a police officer dragging infants across tarmac you deserve a jail sentence. simple enough for you?

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And just how do you expect other countries governments to suddenly start making their laws according to you? Immigrants are supposed to assimilate into their host country, not the other way around. One can't walk into the host country demanding rights of natural born citizens if they don't pay attention to the laws of that country. Simply put YOU can't CHANGE how THEIR country runs itself. Only THEY can change how their country runs itself. So yes pretty much the old rule,"When in Rome do as the Romans do." If a person doesn't want to deal with it they shouldn't go there.

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This may be a bit off topic but there is a scenario that happened in Libya which used to have a 90% + religious majority that were non-muslim. Well after a couple of decades of immigration, Islam became the religious majority of Libya and it is now run mostly by Islamic law because of course the immigrants propegated like flies and overpowered the way the government ran by majority. I'm guessing Sarkosky is thinking along those lines.

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Boy is that lame.

Geez get a grip, I forgot to put the winking happy face to indicate the sarcasm ;)

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If their police are acting that way and the french government does nothing about it, then yeah. We can't say squat. The rest of the EU can say something though.

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The main issue here is WHY were the police called in the first place? 2 wrongs still don't make a right. The squatters were there illegally, they resisted removal, and thus the police forcefully removed them. Crying tears doesn't solve the main problem.

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BTW my hair is curly and my skin is quite dark. In the US I deal with discrimination and some police profiling, but since I'm not breaking any laws I get through without being roughed up or put out for anything. Simply put, Don't break the laws of the country you live in

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If you are born and educated in a free ,democratic country like France since your childhood; the chance is you have very much idea about rules ,law and order, role of police as law enforcement...etc. But if you are a new migrant from a very different country you escaped from ,it will require a lots of efforts from you and government's educational programs to achieve near that level. If government makes quite an efforts to educate you but you ignore it and/or can not accept it then you better prepare to leave that country to search for better life. But I think whatever the situation is ,if you are already a citizen of that country ,the government can not ,should not take your citizenship back. Government can change the law and do it to new migrants though.cheers :-).

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If they are expelled from France they can go to the historical refuge of Canada, cant they?

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Sarkozy is already in campaign. He tries hard to win the Le Pen's far-right votes with this kind of statement but in reality he never do what he says. He doesn't give a damn about France and the French. Everything he does as a Prez is for himself and his fellows.

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This article in quite incomplete.

Here are a few facts some are in this article but many chose to ignore them.

1-) the "Roma" was shot after an ARMED robbery in which the thieves SHOT at the police!

2-) Sarkozy is not proposing making a new law to revoke citizenship but to add "targeting police" to the list of infraction that already exist that will get citizenship revoked for naturalized citizens. AND BTW most countries have such laws, certain infractions will get your citizenship revoked if you are naturalized in the USA, Canada, UK, Japan, etc...)

3-) These people who were forcibly removed by the police were coached by so-called human rights groups on how to resist by methods such as “attaching themselves to each other, lying down, screaming it hurts even if it doesn't", who do you think was filming all this? The coaches that's who!

@MisterCreosote: I hate admit this but you are probably right about Canada, right now there is a transsexual claiming refuge status there claim possible discrimination in his/her home country "UK" now doesn't that beat all!

One more thing these people (Roma and the illegal immigrant squatters) should be deported!

Why should they get to stay in France or any other country for jumping the queue while other go through the proper process and are waiting?

Let them apply like all the rest and immigrate legally!

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Agree with imboinjapan.

Why do you get "evicted" because you are in a place illegaly and already been told to "git going" but refused to do so. So the niceties have gone bye-bye, as you are now commiting a criminal act.

Roma are a tough issue as they are nomads and often don't hold a certain countries citizenship. Said that Roma also got a history(centuries) of crimes, violence and intimitation.

Agreed, many countries got a long list of activities that will get your citizenship revoked. Nearly happened to ol' Arnie too and many think he should have been booted. Hitler was another dude who had his citizenship yanked.

The way I see it france is saying play by our rules or get lost, same thing that happens in mine and many other countries.

Remember europe had immigrants for millenia, some even tried to come in with military strenght(Rome, Turkey, Mongols, etc).

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limbo that is a great post. I agree with all you said. And yes Canada is a haven for the shisters of the world. Shame on it.

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"1-) the "Roma" was shot after an ARMED robbery in which the thieves SHOT at the police!"

That's not true. That was an incident involving arabs in the Grenoble area.

m5c32,

"That's an interesting choice of loaded and prejudiced words. That gypsy was among a group attempting to flee, as they fled they fired shots at the police, the police returned fire and one of them was struck with a fatal shot. That's not quite the same as you color it."

Not at all. Again, I think you're confusing the situation like limboinjapan. No shots were fired, the gendarmes claimed one of theirs was thrown onto the bonnet of the fleeing vehicle and dragged for 500 metres before they mortally shot the driver, though as the copper apparently and most incredibly didn't have a scratch, they're just covering their behinds after executing this man for a failure to stop.

These things happen far too often except you aren't reading about it in the news in Japan. These coppers have been given far too much power under sarko, and they're abusing it.

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Madvert:

You are correct it seems that most of the reports in English seem to have this error, but the French ones are way more accurate.

First the car was intercepted but they refused to stop and yes a gendrame was on the bonnet for around 500 metres but he was injured and the family of the man shot admits the gendrame was on the bonnet for some time (but they claim he climbed on himself) different gendrame set up a road block further down the road and when one officer tried to stop the car it accelerated on him prompting the other officer to shoot but the driver was not killed it was the passenger.

And even after he was shot the car did not stop and was found several kilometers away were the driver left it with the dead man inside.

I should have checked my French news first on this one something I normally do.

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