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Saturday drama: Brexit battle to be decided in UK Parliament

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Boris Johnson has nothing to lose regardless of whether deal or no deal exit. If he won support from Parliament and then he wins. If he lost the support of Parliament and then he wins again. The EU leaderships were scared of no deal exit. So they signed and agreed to Boris Johnson's Brexit proposal. Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party will agree to support Boris Johnson's Brexit proposal because it's the best option for Northern Ireland regardless. Boris Johnson was doing alright whether you dislike him or like him. You have to credit him.

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@zichi - do you have the url for the deal details ?

When it was announced this morning, the BBC Worldwide News team's "Brexit Cast" took over the 0800news slot, and were a complete embarrassment ... they hadn't seen it and were making bland statements without any fact. So I switched them off... the team should be disbanded in my view.... useless/nonconstructive/uninformed waste of time. There are other more significant matters going on in the World that are worthy of our attention that Brexit speculation.

As an aside, but on the same lines, I think Edward Snowdan will be extradited to the US in exchange for the so called "US Diplomats wife" - Anne Sacoolas .... there's clearly some shenanaigans going on there behind the scenes - which if you've been following the story will become clear.

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Looks like Johnson may have some of the rebel Tories on side.

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So Farage and I agree no deal is better than this deal. It's too bad there is no possibility of carrying out the voters' wishes on Oct. 31 and truly leaving the EU. UK politics bites the big one.

You are very keen on the UK leaving the EU and yet are silent as to when asked about whether the 6 counties should leave the UK. Given all the grief and possible devastation on border communities (both economic and the worry of violence), is it not better to do the deal with Ireland in mind, rather than rush it through for the sake of it?

Do you think the UUP are correct in their recent assessment of the DUP's stance?

Personally, I'm fairly chuffed that the Unionists are in a bit of disarray but I'd rather see Dublin stay strong and not be bullied by a tiny bunch of creationists who have shown the people of Ireland nothing but contempt.

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So Farage and I agree no deal is better than this deal.

If Farage wanted to be part of that decision, he should have got himself elected to Parliament, instead of opting for the easier choice of spending 20 years as an absentee MEP.

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"saturday drama" . . . nice choice of words . . .

gonna be lots of "fun" . . .

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No deal would be better, but hey, this deal is better than May's deal.

The hard Brexiteers don’t seem to see it this way. Farage for one, a man you seem to admire, sees this as basically the same ‘surrender’. He said he’d rather go for an extension

So Farage and I agree no deal is better than this deal. It's too bad there is no possibility of carrying out the voters' wishes on Oct. 31 and truly leaving the EU. UK politics bites the big one.

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It's time to "cut the Gordian Knot" and revoke Article 50, a necessary step that will have to be taken sooner (after an election with a second referendum, or later ( to prevent the collapse of UK. Inc.).

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Britain will once more be a laughing stock around the world if this does not go through. Parliament has lost sight of what the people want. See the latest polls. Get behind the scrum and push it through.

Who on earth would have the energy to pick up the reins once more if it fails...?

Yeah, tend to agree with that. I think that many Brits, euros (and even the notoriously bureaucratic EU pollies!!) have reached the point of exasperation with brexit though. Just want this -now completely silly/absurd/pointless- debate to end and get on with things... anything will do -deal/no deal/stay- just make up your bloody minds (UK MPs the only ones who want more of this, drives me mad).

My problem with Johnson is that he is cunning and deceitful ,

Not disagreeing with you but is he 'that' different from other UK pollies (and imo others)? I mean you know that England's been known as the 'Perfidious Albion' on euro soil for centuries so no one really expects a no-nonsense straight shooter. That's why euros & the EU have been pretty patient with the whole brexit shenanigans.

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Nigel Farage is an iconoclast. He knows everything that he does not want, but he has no constructive ideas.

The EU have said that Britain is welcome back anytime they feel like rejoining. So let's take the break, and get it done with. Most people are simply fed up to the back teeth with the whole sorry saga, and see absolutely no value in dragging things out once more.

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Nigel Farage stated he wants an extension, not this deal.

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No deal would be better, but hey, this deal is better than May's deal.

The hard Brexiteers don’t seem to see it this way. Farage for one, a man you seem to admire, sees this as basically the same ‘surrender’. He said he’d rather go for an extension

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This will go through if Juncker's threat of no extension is real, but won't if it isn't. He may have been drinking. We don't know.

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Now wait for it to slide off the table and crash on the floor into the big mess of gelatinous slop that is Brexit itself.

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I think the bill will be passed by a slim margin. It this deal or no deal.

No deal would be better, but hey, this deal is better than May's deal.

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New Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland and Political Declaration

However no impact assessment

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-protocol-on-irelandnorthern-ireland-and-political-declaration

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Many thanks Jimizo, bookies won't take my flutter because of lay off risk, I want to lay five figures on Labour failing by close numbers.

I will always be a degenerate gambler. It is the number of votes in either direction. Instinct tells me it could be close. It is the oohing and aahing.

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Britain will once more be a laughing stock around the world if this does not go through. Parliament has lost sight of what the people want. See the latest polls. Get behind the scrum and push it through.

Who on earth would have the energy to pick up the reins once more if it fails...?

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, Johnsons deal will/ could need thirty labour rebels, not impossible, but bookies will not give me the time of the day.

Try oddschecker.

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Jimizo, Johnsons deal will/ could need thirty labour rebels, not impossible, but bookies will not give me the time of the day.

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This is going to be tight in parliament. I’d go 40% chance of getting through.

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Johnson is not the most trustworthy politician, stating it mildly

At least you can see Jeremy Corbyn and his cohort, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer John McDonnell coming from a miles way.

My problem with Johnson is that he is cunning and deceitful , any person that doesn't keep there skirt down or there trousers up, is unfit for political office.

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The 60 page Brexit deal has been released.

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Lots of talking about "the deal", lots of "ifs, coulds and shoulds" ...

... what I want to know is what this new deal includes (or doesn't include).

C'mon, give us some more details what was agreed upon!

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Not once did I hear people talk about the Irish border during the lead-up to the referendum a few years back. It was all 350 million extra pounds a week to the NHS, and let's boot out all the immigrants. The Brexiteers never seemed to have mentioned that nobody would be there to pick the fruits in the fields, nobody to take up nursing positions in the struggling hospitals, or the many many UK citizens living in the EU (who, by the way, never got the chance to vote. Someone correct me if I'm wrong).

When the people went to vote, they had no idea what a Brexit would mean. Now that everything is laid out, they deserve a final referendum - remain, leave with no deal or leave with this final deal. Of course the Brexiteers won't agree because they know they'll never win now that everything has been exposed.

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I think the bill will be passed by a slim margin. It this deal or no deal.

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I genuinely believe that the UK, politically should leave.

The issue should not be at the expense Northern Ireland economy. It is not what in Johnson's deal, it is what has been left out. In all the haste the impact assessment is notability missing. Still reading.

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This deal is awful. No deal is far better. If this deal is not ratified by October 31st, the default position in law is to exit the EU with no deal. Bring it on!

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"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019

Whoops, that didn't last long!

I can't see this passing, so Johnson better start writing that extension letter and digging that ditch.

Johnson having his own deal now to promote and defend means No Deal is less likely, so at least that is progress.

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Nothing like the pressure of a fast approaching deadline to get things done...

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Hopefully, keeping fingers crossed here, that what ever the outcome of the vote, the people on both sides of the issue, plus those in Ireland and Northern Ireland, keep the peace!

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This final vote will knock the bottom out of Boris's Brexit boat sending the Tories scrambling to save their seats (or rearrange their electoral deckchairs).

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It certainly appears as if Halloween will not be kind to the U.K. You reap what you sow.

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