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Scientists say Harvey may be sign of future storms

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No need for that Paris Climate Accord after all.

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1 million gallons of water for every man, woman and child in southeastern Texas.

warmer air and water mean wetter and possibly more intense hurricanes in the future.

This isn't the global warming effects you are looking for.

Move along.

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Harvey certainly seems to be wetter than other storms.  not sure dump is the right word though.

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Fake scientists....

Trump digs coal.

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Global Warming...

I think Noah told the animals on the ark that's what was going down

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Let's see if Texas Congressmen will block relief funding to their own state as they did with hurricane Sandy that decimated New York and New Jersey in 2012. Remember....no funding unless you can find an equal amount of funding to cut in other areas. Better start that debate now because it will take some time to sort out.

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That area has always been flooded by hurricanes. Houston was founded in 1836 and promptly flooded with over 40 feet of water.

More people were killed from the 2001 hurricane than now.

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Based on all of the uncertainty expressed by the experts cited the title of this article should have been, 'Scientists say we have no idea if global warming may be sign of future storms'. Got to get the models right or stop making statements suggesting causes that cannot be proved.

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I see this the same as people who deny global warming is occurring (or climate change) when there is a record snowstorm or cold in the winter. This is one event. It has been a very long time since a strong hurricane hit the U.S. so for me this is one event. Let's see what happens going forward as there may be more of these events....and there may not.

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Got to get the models right or stop making statements suggesting causes that cannot be proved.

I generally agree with you, Wolfpack. I think suggesting causes is OK. Treating such suggestions as fact is not a good idea.

Getting the models right is not a trivial task. That should be acknowledged. Clinging to dubious models that support one's own position is not good. Sadly, I think we're all guilty of that to some extent. I know I am.

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Clinging to dubious models that support one's own position is not good. Sadly, I think we're all guilty of that to some extent. I know I am.

The thing that is most concerning is the manner in which scientists treat other scientists (and anyone else) who disagree with their conclusions when it is obvious there are holes in their conclusions as evidenced by the faulty climate models. The media are also a big problem. Global warming was supposed to lead to many more hurricanes. But this has not been the case. Now that there is a major storm the media immediately goes to global warming as a possible cause. Well where were they when there was a long interval where there were not so many major storms?

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A drift in conditions changes mean and width of event distribution. A small change in width, even such as percentages mentioned in the article, can dramatically increase probability of unusual, freak events. This is just a common, essentially mathematical, feature of events that arise from stacking of many circumstances such as in the case of weather.

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Attention American people: pay particular attention to the inability of the Trump administration to handle the Harvey disaster, due to the lack of qualifications and lack of experience of the heads of the relevant US government departments -- remember, Trump placed them there in order to GUT those departments.

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Global warming was supposed to lead to many more hurricanes. 

Or there is an increase in overall activity but perhaps with fewer storms striking land during warmer years (???) Changes in observation methods over time, especially before the satellite era, make it difficult to know what is causing the Atlantic warming trend, or if there is even an spike in tropical storm frequency and intensity at all.

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When scientists predict an eclipse, no one doubts it.

When scientists predict where a Hurricane will hit, no one questions it.

When scientists predict future climate issues that contradict ideology and status quo industry, suddenly science can't be trusted.

Why it's almost like the people questioning science only do so when they have an ulterior motive to make money on it.

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Like which predictions ? The ones Al Gore made famous 10 years ago....starting with a complete lack of sea ice in the Arctic by 2014 ? Followed by Manhattan underwater because of Greenland ice melt ? Or that Kilimanjaro was going to be snow-free (due to it being famous and near the Equator ??) ?

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Global warming has been occurring since the last ice age.

Harvey stalled because it is sandwiched between two high-pressure fronts that push it in opposite directions, and those fronts are stuck.

The fact that Hurricane/Tropical storm Harvey stalled over a relatively small area of land means that Harvey will unleash more rainfall over a concentrated area. More rainfall means more flooding.

People of all races, creeds, and colors are pitching in to help the unfortunate residents of southeastern Texas. That's something that everyone should be able to support.

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LizzToday  09:59 am JST

Like which predictions ? The ones Al Gore made famous 10 years ago.

You may have noticed Al Gore is not a climate scientist. You got his predictions from some source other than a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Using him as an excuse to discredit all actual researchers is a bit ridiculous.

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You got his predictions from some source other than a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

He got the ones about sea level rise largely from "out on a limb" climate scientists like Peter Wadams and Wieslaw Maslowski 

http://faculty.nps.edu/vitae/cgi-bin/vita.cgi?p=display_more&id=1023568034&field=pubs.

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While scientists are quick to say that climate change didn't cause Harvey and that they haven't determined yet whether the storm was made worse by global warming,

What's this? Scientists are quick to say that climate change didn't cause Harvey?

Global warming has been occurring since the last ice age. The next global cooling cycle doesn't seem to have begun yet.

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