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RBS moving to England? Going to change name?

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As RBS, which consists largely of what used to be the National Westminster Bank, belongs to the UK taxpayer, a move out of an independent Scotland is only appropriate.

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The people of Scotland need to wake up. Their politicians are the ones who really want independence. This means independence is only good for the politicians. Personally I generally vote against anything politicians want, especially something as drastic as this. It would be completely different if the people wanted independence and were voting to force the politicians to Do it. This is not the case. All that is happening is yet another political class wants more money and power and they see a path to more or themselves by replacing the current political class.

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No will win but if it doesn't i think the Jocks will really regret it.

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I (like many) still have some trouble with the idea that it has come to this. What will actually happen if the yes vote gets up? As Todd pointed out earlier, this seems to be a exercise driven by a few politicians. Moreover, there is so much that hasn't been discussed. There is talk about continued us of the British currency, something shot down by the no vote. It just seems to me that this has less to do with good policy and more to do with the egos of some politicians.

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the no side is panicking, and the press are going along with the scaremongering, the RBS thing is only moving their registered offices, neither operations or jobs will be affected.

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RBS could change its name to NatWest to reflect the real balance of its business.

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Banks schmanks. The Scots have oil, and soon they'll be able to keep it all for themselves. Where they're going they don't need banks.

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'The campaign—and the promise of greater devolution if the “No” camp wins the vote—has also bolstered demands from local authorities for greater powers within England and Wales.'

This is a positive thing regardless of the outcome next week. The UK's system of government is too centralised, too London-centric, ridiculously outdated and needs a major shake-up.

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Of course there will be sacrifices, and painful birth pains for the new nation.

What Scots won't mourn though, is the language of condescension:

...claiming sports people as British when they win, but calling them Scottish when they lose.

Or:

No will win but if it doesn't i think the Jocks will really regret it.

Jock (dʒɒk) n informal often offensive a Scotsman. (OED)

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Is delusional to think that there will be no banks operating in Scotland if they become independent, or other firms for that matter. If one business leaves, another will come in, because they're still making money. There are many small countries that do just fine and although it would be a bumpy road at the start, Scotland has more than enough things to keep their economy going.

People just need to realize an opportunity like this doesn't come often, so wherever they vote "yes" or "no" they should base it on things other than a knee-jerk reaction from either side (which is what's happening now).

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Scotland will decide to be independent and will go out of EU which start to go apart. It is a construction of politicians making money and not listening to citizens Junckers entered into council a self promoting slovenian woman who has zero support of citizens from slovenia

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Anybody from Scotland here? I'd like ho hear opinion of Scots on the subject.

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A successful vote for independence will be a Pyrrhic victory.

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Why did the tory government agree to the hold the vote if they weren't prepared to accept it's possible outcome?

On the off-chance of actually winning one or two Parliamentary seats in Scotland in the next general election if the unionist side does win?

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"Why did the Tory government agree to hold the vote if they weren't prepared to accept it's possible outcome?"

Good question! I dunno why, but maybe because talk is cheap? Because talking is easier than implimenting?

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@Asakaze

I'll be voting. But my views will reflect my bias, so I'm not sure they will add much.

Opinion is split. I think there are a range of views on both sides. There are the flag-waving nationalists in each camp (Union Flag versus Saltire), but I think these are a small minority. Most people are taking a more rational view, and will have a number of reasons for their decision. As there is only one question on the ballot paper, the two views might be seen as "Why change?" versus "Why not?". Or, for Douglas Adams fans, one wag on The Register described it as YES = "So long, and thanks for all the fish." NO = "Mostly harmless".

One interesting thing is that 16 and 17 year olds get to vote. I was against this at first. But I watched a debate yesterday where a few thousand Scottish school kids got to listen and ask questions to four prominent politicians. The questions were intelligent, their behavior well-mannered yet passionate, and they seemed to see through the usual empty answers of the politicians. I'm now thinking that perhaps only 16 and 17 year olds be allowed to vote. :-)

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If the Scots leave, I wonder how they will continue to perceive the English? I usually hear neutral or positive comments from English folks about Scotland. However, nothing but contempt and disdain from Scots towards the English. Students from all over Europe can reside in Scotland and receive free education except English people who have to pay. This speaks volumes of the character of Scots. I think it is to the credit of the English that Scots are not held more in contempt with such a despicable attitude. It is more than clear that the British Government will never surrender their oil assets, so I think Scots ought to be courting the banks to stay as much as possible. They will be needing loans or facing huge tax increases in the event of independence.

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"This speaks volumes of the character of Scots. I think it is to the credit of the English that Scots are not held more in contempt with such a despicable attitude."

This sounds like a very condescending, "How dare they? Who do they think they are? Dont they know their place?" attitude and I have been hearing it a lot from English "folks" - like overbearing parents who cant believe their kids want to leave the house.

I have actually never met a Scot I didn`t immediately like and many English who were really really annoyingly full of themselves. Independence for Scotland is way past due.

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" I usually hear neutral or positive comments from English folks about Scotland. However, nothing but contempt and disdain from Scots towards the English."

I won't deny there are some Scots who behave like that. But there their equivalents in England. (Aren't we called "sweaties" by some?) But it's much the same as Osaka-Tokyo rivalries. (OK, that can get bitter at times. But generally not much more than friendly banter.) My parents were English, but lived happily for about 30 years in Scotland. ( I guess that makes me a child of immigrants.)

Your "free education" comment makes no sense. Scottish students have to pay to study in England. The "free for Europeans" is because of the strange nature of EU regulations. I could argue that Scots can study for free in Poland but have to pay in England. But it would be a stupid argument. (As stupid as the EU regulations.)

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albaleo

I'll be voting. But my views will reflect my bias, so I'm not sure they will add much.

Thank you for opinion. Very interesting.

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'If the Scots leave, I wonder how they will continue to perceive the English? I usually hear neutral or positive comments from English folks about Scotland. However, nothing but contempt and disdain from Scots towards the English'

Not in my experience. I used to visit Glasgow quite often and was always made to feel welcome, perhaps because I'm from a city with many similarities. I'm from Liverpool and I have more in common with people from Glasgow than I do with people from London. Many pro-union Labour figures have pointed out the commonalities between cities such as Glasgow and Dundee and the northern English industrial ( well, used to be ) cities. I think the England many Scots dislike is the same England I and many others outside of the capital and the shires dislike.

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The eyes of the world are upon Scotland

Indeed they are. And the world is wondering how such a dumb idea ever gathered this much momentum.

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I find it odd that the British government over the past ten years and more have said numerous times, that people in countries like Egypt, Libya, Syria and many other places including Hong Kong should be able to have a say in the future of those countries...

When Hong Kong was under British rule, it was never given universal suffrage. Hypocritical that Britain now wants China to grant Hong Kong what it had always denied.

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"I think the England many Scots dislike is the same England I and many others outside of the capital and the shires dislike."

I think you're right, Jimizo. And as you say, some pro-union supporters have used this as an argument. The other side of that is to hear people from Newcastle telling us to "just do it".

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I'm not too familiar with that habit, but in any case it's not necessary to claim Scottish champions as British: they are British

Try asking a Scot - or any other inhabitant of the Celtic nations - on both counts. A very quick Google search brought up this BBC News thread on Andy:

Andy is British, as Scotland is part of the British Isles. Of course, if he loses then he will be "Scottish" and if he wins he will be "British".

He's British until he loses, then he's Scottish.....and if he wins the title, well then he's English......what's the problem?

He's British. That'll do, so long as he's not playing an Englishman in the final...

I'm sure the BBC will tell us what Andy is after today's result, or the final if he gets through. Naturally... he will be a Scot if he is not crowned champion, and a Brit if he is.

and finally:

if their oil is british then so is he?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/07/andy_murray_scot_or_brit.html

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Sat. September 13th and British opinion polls are showing a slight lead for Scotland staying in the union. But another poll by the Daily Mail also published on the same day shows that 70% of English (who can't vote next week) support Scots staying in the union. This implies that more Scots hate English than English hate Scots. How in God's name do these Scots imagine they will survive outside the union? Who will pay for the huge costs involved with independence. Will the soon to be broke Scots pay? Hell no! Stupidity knows no limits.

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"Who will pay for the huge costs involved with independence. Will the soon to be broke Scots pay?"

Never heard of North Sea oil?

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I just read another interesting report in the Guardian newspaper (of Great Britain) which seems to imply that Scottish folks would be strapped for cash in the event of independence because they would be unable to get sufficient money from oil. This is what people have been saying for a while but it would be good to get more concrete data (i.e. not exaggerated / fake data provided by Salmond and his cronies). Does anyone know more about this? Apparently, there is hardly any oil left for the Brits. According to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has predicted recoverable reserves of 10bn boe and North Sea tax revenues of £61.6bn between now and 2040 The The Office for National Statistics put the worth of untapped reserves to the UK Treasury at closer to £120bn while Sir Ian Wood, a leading offshore oil industrialist in Aberdeen, put the figure at 15bn-16.5bn barrels. So the oil is not going to bring much money, assuming they can get the revenues. So I wonder how these Scots think they can survive economically outside the union? Maybe they could be enlightened if they went to school south of the border. Someone needs to knock some sense into these guys.

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