Second Skripal poisoning suspect is Russian GRU agent: Bellingcat

How long until a citizen of mother Russia is here telling us how this is BS propoganda from the liberal MSM?

Russia flatly rejects the charge.

Using once again 'Can't prove it!' and 'The west is worse' defenses.

How long until a citizen of mother Russia is here telling us how this is BS propaganda from the liberal MSM?

How long until non-Russians come on to say that and also say it's WW3 if we don't do what Putin wants, and why are people picking on Russia when Trump and his GOP enablers blame China (which is also deserving of blame). Followed by 'Russia just wants Europeans to have cheap oil and gas'.

@burning. Most media cites Syrian Observatory or white helmets as reliable sources. Both linked to terrorism. That may be a hint...

@burning. Most media cites Syrian Observatory or white helmets as reliable sources. Both linked to terrorism. That may be a hint...

There is zero evidence of the Syrian Observatory or the white helmets being linked to terrorism.

Another portion of the usual Bellingcat-made substance. If its true then why so far Scotland Yard or any other U.K. law enforcement agency does not indict these "GRU operatives", make any official actions usual for criminal cases? Stop talking, do your job. But so far the U.K. officials besides Theresa Mayday-Mayday with her fiery but sensless speeches prefer to keep a safe and healthy distance from the whole Skripal hoax and the Bellingcat "investigation".

There is zero evidence of the Syrian Observatory or the white helmets being linked to terrorism

https://clarityofsignal.com/2017/09/08/the-white-helmets-terrorists-further-extensive-evidence-of-direct-collusion-with-islamic-terrorist-groups-set-4/

As I stated above, there is zero evidence of the Syrian Observatory or the white helmets being linked to terrorism.

Russia has been asking for any evidence. At least someone is providing it, even using just publicly available records

That's 2 people now that they identified. If it's a case of mistaken identities, then Russia just has to produce both separate peoples in the same room at the same time

It's Russia's turn now to produce their counter-evidence. They've been asking for some evidence, and now there's some, so it's their turn. Simply denying it is not enough, when it could easily be dispelled by producing the mistaken identities peoples together

https://clarityofsignal.com/2017/09/08/the-white-helmets-terrorists-further-extensive-evidence-of-direct-collusion-with-islamic-terrorist-groups-set-4/

I'm not familiar with Clarity of Signal - who are they and what's their record for reliability?

(We can't just use anybody willy-nilly)

@Chip Star

As I stated above, there is zero evidence of the Syrian Observatory or the white helmets being linked to terrorism

Very typical. Everything that does not fit in the MSM agenda should be ignored, right?

@lostrune2

At least someone is providing it

That's the problem - "someone"!! Such matters between states are sorted out between governments, not by "someone". If Her Majesty's government is really concerned about the Skripal affair then the U.K. police or other British law enforcers are welcome to officially produce the real evidence, demand the Russian cooperation and then go to the court. But so far the U.K. officials were very conspicuous with their reluctancy to be involved in the miserable show called "The Skripal hoax". That's why here came the Bellingcat, led by a murky nobody. Russians are absolutely right to ignore him. If the Brits want an official reaction, go the official way with official protocol.

I'm not familiar with Clarity of Signal - who are they and what's their record for reliability?

Frankly, I don't know. But with the wealth of names and photos they provided they look at least no less trustworthy then Bellingcat that some posters here propel as some kind of Utmost Shining Truth.

A lot of info being provided against the CIA aren't from official state sources neither

And a lot of people use them against the CIA anyways, providing the basis that the CIA are everywhere

How's that different from Bellingcat being used against GRU (at least Bellingcat has some background; nobody has any background on Clarity of Signal - to anybody: go ahead, look for one)

A lot of info being provided against the CIA aren't from official state sources neither

I don't remember any unofficial foreign investigation of CIA activity that resulted in major U.S. government reaction. Several years ago there was a big scandal in Germany when it became known that NSA eavesdropped on Merkel, there was a big noise in media, but NSA or any other U.S. government agency did not react much.

^ Venezuela and Iran - both blame CIA for mass protests; everybody believes them; yet they haven't presented any official state sources

So next time CIA gets blamed for something, whether Syria, Ukraine, etc. shall we wait for official state sources first? That's what people want to do with GRU/FSB? Or are we holding GRU/FSB to a higher standard?

yet they haven't presented any official state sources

Yes, a lot of noise, but no official proof. But the Btitish behave no more clever then Iranians and Venezuelans: also a lot of noise, dubious investigation by some guys who materialized from nowhere and zero official activity between states usual when prosecuting such criminal cases. At least for Iran and Venezuela that would be difficult, they do not have much of diplomatic relations with the U.S.

everybody believes them

Because of public statements by U.S. officials, who openly support the protests and who are for the toppling of governments of both countries.

And Russia state media increasingly brand dissidents traitors, so no wonder people believe GRU/FSB is capable when something happens. In either case, those unofficial sources are just doing the same as Bellingcat

Still, Bellingcat's using records available to the public and producing not just 1 but 2 identities (1 can just be a coincidence, but 2 is lot less likely coincidental). While Russia could just explain it away by producing both pairs of identities together in the same room at the same time (they already produced the first pair as mistaken identities), so they should just do that

And Russia state media increasingly brand dissidents traitors

You read a lot of Russian state media? Please provide links on articles about "branding traitors".

While Russia could just explain it

One more time, I hope you'll inderstand at last: until the U.K. goes through official channels (via Scotland Yard etc) the Russians have all the right to ignore the Bellingcat noise, or reply with their own "citizen investigation" of how the MI-5 chief personally poured Novichok in Skripal's tea.

And Russia state media increasingly brand dissidents traitors

You read a lot of Russian state media? Please provide links on articles about "branding traitors".

https://www.rt.com/news/440211-putin-calls-skripal-traitor-scum/

"Skripal is a ‘traitor & scum,’ not some rights activist – Putin"

https://www.rt.com/politics/183708-putin-opposition-bolsheviks-seliger/

"Putin likens part of independent opposition to Bolsheviks, branding them as traitors"

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2018-03-07/342100-glava_mid_velikobritanii_boris_dzhonson_predpolozhil_chto_za_otravleniem_sergeya_skripalya_stoit_moskva

While Russia could just explain it

One more time, I hope you'll inderstand at last: until the U.K. goes through official channels (via Scotland Yard etc) the Russians have all the right to ignore the Bellingcat noise, or reply with their own "citizen investigation" of how the MI-5 chief personally poured Novichok in Skripal's tea.

That is their wont, of course. But remember, as with the CIA, people still believe even unofficial evidence, absent of official response whether from the US or Russia. (Heck, check out many people here alone.)

"Skripal is a ‘traitor & scum,’ not some rights activist – Putin"

Putin got a little emotional with "scum", but he is absolutely correct with "traitor". How else can you describe a spy who betrayed his organization and collegues for money?

Putin likens part of independent opposition to Bolsheviks, branding them as traitors

Nah, it's nothing in comparison to the U.S., where a lot of people (including several posters here) call their own president a traitor!

"Skripal is a ‘traitor & scum,’ not some rights activist – Putin"

Putin got a little emotional with "scum", but he is absolutely correct with "traitor". How else can you describe a spy who betrayed his organization and collegues for money?

But ya could understand then how people would suspect the Russian government for what happened to him

Putin likens part of independent opposition to Bolsheviks, branding them as traitors

Nah, it's nothing in comparison to the U.S., where a lot of people (including several posters here) call their own president a traitor!

It's one thing when regular citizens accuse their leaders being traitors, but it's a whole another level when governments accuse citizens as traitors - governments are much more capable of extrajudicial vengeance

But ya could understand then how people would suspect the Russian government for what happened to him

Sure. Some people just suspect. No logical argument can persuade them. Such people are also well represented on this board. They ignore everything that does not fit in their vision of the world.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/skripals-bellingcat-gru-novichok-anatoly-chepiga-alexander-mishkin-putin-russia-a8577161.html

whole another level when governments accuse citizens as traitors

It is noteworthy what governments say, but much more important what governments actually do. Putin may critisize "traitors" among the opposition (and he is right to do so, because a good part of the opposition is linked with foreign governments-funded organizations), but so far people actually prosecuted for treason were actual spies and yes, traitors.

Sure. Some people just suspect. No logical argument can persuade them. Such people are also well represented on this board. They ignore everything that does not fit in their vision of the world.

Yep, on all sides

but so far people actually prosecuted for treason were actual spies and yes, traitors.

If they don't end up dead first