Senate parliamentarian deals fresh immigration blow to Dems

Glad to see a rare voice of sanity in Washington. No other country on earth would allow this to happen- a permanent underclass of 15 million plus people allowed to remain indefinitely. The country already allows a million people a year obtain legal residence, and naturalizes nearly the same amount. Hardly the racist backwater that some think.

I agree, good job.

This is how weak the Democratic senators are. Faced with the parliamentarian, someone whose voice has no authority and is purely their opinion, they back down from making the lives of millions of people more secure.

No other country on earth would allow this to happen- a permanent underclass of 15 million plus people 

Yep, let's get them a path to citizenship. Oh, wait, we can't, someone in a ceremonial role doesn't feel like it. Pathetic.

Expresssister, why should Congress make the lives of illegal immigrants "more secure"? Their job is to make the lives of AMERICANS more secure. Illegal immigrants are a drain on the economy and in particular make life difficult for working class Americans. They compete for jobs and artificially drive down wages, which hurts vulnerable (often BIPOC) American citizens. The only ones who benefit from illegal labor are the billionaire overlord class and rich suburbanites who get cheap child care and gardening.

good, it seems the Dems have no blackmail on the parliamentarian.

this is obviously nothing to do with a budgetary process and is not something that should be permanently enacted on a 50/50 vote.

Expresssister, why should Congress make the lives of illegal immigrants "more secure"? 

I don't like human beings living insecure lives.

ES I agree, but when making one group more secure makes another group less secure, where is the logic? Especially when it means making one's own citizens less secure in order to help people who shouldn't even be in the country in the first place?

ES, the best option is for the illegal immigrants to go home. That will make Americans, especially BIPOC and working class Americans, more secure. They will have greater job opportunities, higher wages, and a better chance to live the American dream.

Granting illegal immigrants permanent status puts the aforementioned groups in a position of greater peril and insecurity.

@Atillathehungry

why should Congress make the lives of illegal immigrants "more secure"? Their job is to make the lives of AMERICANS more secure. 

The Americans that are descended from immigrants who could enter the country with a legal classification of checks notes stowaway on a ship if they met inspection requirements? Those Americans wouldn't exist if the immigration policies they want now were implemented back then.

It has always confused me that a country that exists basically on the back of immigration has so many people...opposed to immigration. I have always thought America should be at the forefront of breaking down border laws.

I don’t agree with this concept that you were promoting. I have no responsibility to you or for your “security” whatsoever.

tupical socialist. Spend other people’s money and refugees can live with “rich” people. Rich people who are both the evil in society and the saviors of it.

Bernie owns 3 houses. A refugee never been inside.

Addfrwyn, I am not against immigration, far from it. As I said earlier, the US allows a MILLION people a year to enter with residence status. Is that not enough? The argument can be made for more legal immigration, and I can see the value in it. American immigration laws are among the most generous in the world- as they should be. But that generosity has limits.

However, the undocumented/illegal immigrants are another story. They need to go home with very few exceptions. Otherwise, we will have the same fiasco as in Texas last week on an ongoing basis.

As for immigration law a century ago, all I can say is that you are comparing apples and oranges. The US had a population less than a third of what it is today. Immigration needs change over time as population grows and the economy matures. Plus, the foreign born population in the US today is almost at the same level as in the 1920s anyway.

@Attila

That is not an unreasonable position, I wasn't trying to be snarky, I legitimately find the immigration dynamic in America interesting/unusual given their history as a country.

Personally, I am generally in favour of immigration being much easier everywhere, but that is probably heavily influenced by my political leanings as well. I think a lot of immigration laws are inherently disadvantageous to the proletariat, by design.

the best option is for the illegal immigrants to go home. That will make Americans, especially BIPOC and working class Americans, more secure. They will have greater job opportunities, higher wages, and a better chance to live the American dream. 

Granting illegal immigrants permanent status puts the aforementioned groups in a position of greater peril and insecurity.

I would have thought allowing the 'illegal' immigrants to apply for citizenship would increase the ranks of Americans, especially BIPOC and working class Americans, thus making them more powerful as a group? With no illegals keeping their heads down and working under the radar for pennies, mowing lawns and cleaning out the pools at Mar a Lago, they would have a greater say regarding jobs and wages.

The American dream is a fallacy.

The only people who benefit from having an underclass of undocumented are the filthy rich who hire them cheap and fire them at will.