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© Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Ukraine corruption scandal ousts top officials; U.S. likely to OK sending Abrams tanks
By ANDREW MELDRUM KYIV, Ukraine©2023 GPlusMedia Inc.
116 Comments
Yrral
No more need to be said
bass4funk
Can’t wait until the House cuts off the $$ spigot to that country. Let Germany and Poland take the lead, definitely can and should do more.
Cards fan
Lol that's not going to happen.
bass4funk
How? They’ll twist McCarthy’s arm? Threaten him? Good luck with that. Lol
Cards fan
Yes, because McCarthy is that powerful lol How many votes is it to trigger a no confidence vote now, one or 5? No, last fall dozens of Republicans voted in favor of assisting Ukraine, and I doubt those numbers suddenly changed.
bass4funk
That’s what the left and Biden hope.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obrien-mccarthy-blank/2022/12/16/id/1100802/
ian
So not really
wallace
THe UA government reacted quickly and fired the minister.
Fighto!
Bring on the Abrams tanks, as well as the Polish and German Panzers. More tactical headaches for the ill-disciplined, poorly trained and unwilling to fight invaders.
Ukraine has friends, unlike Russia.
Cards fan
And also what the majority of Congress wanted last time it was put up for vote.
ian
Is this still true at this time?
ian
Good thing they view it that way
Desert Tortoise
Somebody posts a link to newsmax as a credible source of information. Lol.
2020hindsights
This is good news indeed!
Desert Tortoise
Bakersfield Kev almost doesn't matter on this. There are more than enough member of the Repubelicken Caucsucus who hate the Russians and want to see them beaten who will support Ukraine. Not every Repube looks to the Kremlin for their inspiration. The US Senate is uniformly in favor of supporting Ukraine. Bakersfield Kev won't have the votes to do anything but support Ukraine as the US is now.
2020hindsights
bass4funk
Won't happen.
Sure. On a per capita basis, Europe is already spending way more than the US on Ukraine.
bass4funk
Let me guess, Biden will threaten McCarthy?
Great, they should even more, in fact, have everyone in Europe or even ask China to help.
Cards fan
We've already explained, he doesn't have the votes to stop it.
Why?
Michael Machida
Send those bad boys!
ian
So is zelensky clean?
bass4funk
Won’t pass, but the Dems can try.
Huh? Rhetorical question?
Bob Fosse
Another countdown? I thought it was a priority and would happen on day one. What are they doing instead?
wallace
Hold the line.
Desert Tortoise
There aren't enough russophile trolls in the US House of Representatives to cut aid to Ukraine, and the US Senate won't have any part of it. Any bill would have to survive conference with the Senate and they are not going to allow aid to Ukraine to be stopped. That is the political reality.
Bob Fosse
“Only ___ days until, oh wait, just wait a little longer, it’s coming, just you wait and see”
Toblerone
So is zelensky clean?
No.
2020hindsights
Michael Machida
Breaking news, the US has just agreed to send Abrams tanks. I guess that this is just symbolic, but it paves the way for Germany sending Leopard 2s, considering that any backlash from Russia will likely mainly be directed at the US. (I doubt that this is a real concern, but is Olaf Scholz's main concern.)
Cards fan
Lol again, dozens of Republicans voted in favor of aiding Ukraine, and the GOP has majority smaller than that, so it will pass.
No, why should the world help but not the US?
ian
I'm surprised no one seems surprised by the corruption, and no one seems to mind too.
Mr Kipling
Leopard2 tanks have already been spotted in southern Ukraine. Just waiting for the Germans to OK their use.
Instead of prolonging the conflict they should be pushing for a realistic settlement.
Toblerone
I'm surprised no one seems surprised by the corruption, and no one seems to mind too.
When it comes to Ukraine the West’s denial and suspension of reality is at pathological levels.
2020hindsights
Mr Kipling
Agreed. Sending arms to Ukraine is the fastest path to peace. Because unless Putin leaves Ukraine, there is be no peace for decades.
ian
Tanks must be really important if they required zelensky to sacrifice his best people and zelensky actually obliged
bass4funk
Hardly…
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/05/marjorie-taylor-greene-ukraine-aid-republicans
Again, rhetorical question????
Bob Fosse
But the House is under Republicans and US money and tanks are still going to Ukraine. So, she’s wrong, as usual.
Mark
The west and NATO better move real fast in arming Ukraine, Russia will NOT be stop for as long as it thinks it can attack.
""We maintain the PEACE through our strength; weakness only invites aggression"". R. Reagan
ian
Maybe they should replace zelensky. Surely they don't believe all those people are corrupt and zelensky isn't.
It's unthinkable that zelensky doesn't know of the corruption and if he knows, it's unthinkable he's not involved.
It's out in the open now it can't be swept under the rug
Strangerland
The article says Zelenski was elected on an anti-corruption platform. Now he is finding corruption. So it was expected to be found, and it's being found, why would people have a problem with exposing and dealing with corruption? Are you trying to say it should stay hidden or something?
bass4funk
We shall see in the upcoming session.
plasticmonkey
There are way more Republicans who disagree with MTG than agree. McCarthy is powerless to stop the aid to Ukraine. And he is powerless to stop MTG and her friends from barking and barking. He’ll go down as one of the least effective House speakers ever.
Desert Tortoise
It doesn't matter what Bakersfield Kev does or does not do. The US Senate is not going to cut off aid to Ukraine. Any attempt to do so is dead in the Senate.
theFu
Ukraine AND Russia have similar corruption issues. People often pay to get a job, then pay more every month to keep it. Had a long talk with immigrant neighbors from both Russia and Ukraine about this. Both had to pay to have jobs in their countries. The husband/ wife from Ukraine/Russia had slightly different stories, but the corruption seemed to be the same to me.
All four people were happy to be in America where corruption of that sort only seems to happen in NYC. https://www.nytimes.com/1982/04/25/nyregion/corruption-is-called-a-way-of-life-in-new-york-construction-industry.html NYC cabs, but lots of other pay-to-work jobs exist there, it seems.
Keep shining a light on corruption everywhere in the world and put everyone in jail caught. That's the only way.
The people fighting Russia directly need support, equipment, and ammo to keep fighting. The democratic world needs to support them.
ian
Corruption that high up and extensive won't be settling for small potatoes, I hope they'll come up with an estimate soon of how much was stolen and what.
And hold everyone involved accountable.
Antiquesaving
I find it interesting that Oleksiy Arestovich one of Zelensky's top advisors forced to resign after saying the missile the hit the apartment buildings was shot down.
Is now in hiding giving interviews left and right but most of not all western media are ignoring.
He has said
In other interviews he stated Zelensky has alienated ethnic Russians with attacks on the church, language etc...and pointed out corruption was in everything.
But if you look all you find is CNN ABC MSNBC etc...still only saying he resigned an apologised but not everything he is now saying including the information on corruption.
So it is an interesting coincidence that Oleksiy Arestovich starts talking after resigning pointing out corruption and suddenly people are being investigated!
ok1517
Leopards are on their way to Ukraine - GREAT!
Abrams will foolow soon, together with Leclers, Challengers and others!
This will provide Ukraine with quite some fire-power to liberate all occupied areas.
More military hardware has to be provided to ensure that PUTAin and associates won't even give it a try again to invade a sovereign country!
Ukraine prevails!
wallace
The German Leopards are very impressive tanks.
Blacklabel
i have been talking about this corruption since almost day 1.
not surprised in the least.
wallace
"On January 17, Arestovich apologized for his remarks. “I made a serious mistake on the air. No matter the reason, the viewers heard it. I will from now on be stricter with the information I voice. I sincerely apologize to the victims and their relatives, the residents of Dnipro and everyone who was deeply hurt by my prematurely erroneous version of the cause of the Russian missile strike on a residential building,” he wrote on social media."
Desert Tortoise
Kind of like one's house is on fire and the owner is concerned about peeling wallpaper. Any excuse to justify helping the white nationalists in Russia.
That is really what it is about. A minority of white Americans who somehow see in Russia their ideal of an all white, cough cough, christian nation that suppresses all other minorities. That is their dream for the US. Russia is their ideal and we see it here both spoken and unspoken.
Yrral
DT,These were Zelensky,self appointed corrupt official who helped l Zelensky launder money ,no money can voted out of a Republican Committee,unless they vote in the majority
Blacklabel
what year was he elected?
when I questioned giving all this money and weapons to Ukraine and mention corruption I was told it’s all gone under Zelensky and I was making things up.
well, seems I wasn’t.
Nemo
They found corruption and held the responsible parties accountable.
How refreshing.
Eastman
I see many new UA victories everywhere.Moskals are crushed and soon Putin will sign capitulation.
or...?
Nemo
With regard to the Western MBT that Ukraine is going to get;
I loved the part where yesterday, the Russians let slip their fears and impotence when they said "if the West delivers tanks, Ukraine will burn."
Well:
A. One notices that they don't even bother threatening the NATO Alliance because that is an empty threat and everyone knows it.
B. Ukraine will burn? Oh dear, what ever will you do? Bomb buildings clearly marked "Children"? Bomb Maternity Hospitals? Invade? Launch indiscriminant attacks on civilians because innocent civilians are the only ones you can beat? Shell a nuclear power plant? Dig up the ground in an exclusion zone? (That's silly. NOBODY would be that stupid. Oh, oops...)
Oh wait, The Russians have done ALL of those things.
So, pound sand, Pooh-tin. The Abrams and the Leopard IIs are on the way and your boys are going to rue the day you let your ego drive your decision making.
Antiquesaving
After being added to the Myrotvorets enemies hit list.
Now in hiding he has given plenty of interviews in the past few days including retracting his forced retraction.
You like duck duck look them up
Antiquesaving
That is funny. I don't recall Russia making OUN UPA (you know the guys that conducted ethnic cleansing) national heros.
Is Ukrainian outlawed in Russia like Russia is in Ukraine?
I think you are confused of who has the white nationalists.
Was it the Russian assistant prosecutor General that said it was upsetting to see blonde blue eyes European dying? No it was the Ukrainian that did as if blonde and blue eyed people were more important than the rest.
Again you seem confused.
Hercolobus
Some people do not understand what the word corruption means. Maybe they think about corrosion.
Eastman
new UA victory in Ugledar.
time to celebrate again?
or?
Desert Tortoise
It seems obvious that beating the Russians in Ukraine prevents a wider war in NATO which could very well lead to mass deaths in the US. How hard is this to understand?
Lessons learned from WWII that appeasing a dictator with territorial ambitions does nothing more than invite further invasions. Mr. Putin has been clear for over a decade that in his view, and in the view of the Russkiy Mir ideology, the three Baltic states who are also NATO members now, Belarus, Moldova and Kazakhstan, along with Ukraine are not his his opinion legitimate independent nations but somehow naturally part of Russia. If he conquers Ukraine, he will attack the three Baltic states and then you have the NATO-Russia showdown nobody wants. WWIII maybe. Beat Russia in Ukraine and stop them now. That is how it helps the average American. Unless of course you want the Russians to win? What is it?
Bob Fosse
Corruption is being investigated and top officials fired. What’s to complain about?
Eastman
Hercolobus
For average UA citizen is corruption part of life.This time under recent government corruption get even new "shades of grey".Gov who steals on food for own soldiers is really not good and must go away.Its inhuman act.
UA citizens knows that country is stolen by gang of bandits or say crooks and its ruled by mix of junta friendly oligarkhs and nationalist/fascists.
This is why many of UA citizens have left country even before this conflict have started.
Corruption in UA is like a cancer and can be cured only by radical measures.Volodymyr have to go.
Antiquesaving
These are the sacrificial lambs.
Oleksiy Arestovich and others are all over the place saying the corruption is rampant.
Republicans are asking where is all the money, Abrams tanks on the lines as more and more reluctance due to corruption.
Oops suddenly after years and years miracle they catch the guys just in time for a vote of the Abrams tanks.
What a great coincidence.
Blacklabel
Corruption that we were sworn to didn’t exist, and that was a “Kremlin talking point”.
Tell_me_bout_it
Of course there is corruption. Corruption is in the blood of every politician in former Soviet Republics. Ukrainian politicians are not saints. Just because their country is being invaded, doesnt meant they cant steal from the people and stack it in their graves. I hate USSR, I hate communism, I hate Stalin, Lenin and Marx. I hope they are still burning in hell and will continue to do so for eternity. They destroyed, corrupted the system. Central Asia and Eastern Europe will wretch in corruption for another good millenia.
Antiquesaving
Lesson from WW2, Rwanda, Boston you have to govina permitting leaders with ethnic cleansing groups as part of their government leads to deaths of women and children even more.
Ukraine made OUN UPA National heroes a group that actively did ethnic cleansing and help the Nazi when it suited them, Ukraine attacks the Russian Orthodox Church, passed anti Russian language laws.
So I guess their are 2 evils going on here.
nfijapan
Can’t wait until the House cuts off the $ spigot to that country. Let Germany and Poland take the lead, definitely can and should do more.
unlikely with just a 4 vote majority, there are still many in the GOP that believe in democracy
How? How does helping Ukraine help the average American? Lol, maybe you can tell us, the WH sure as heck can't and won't.
how does letting Putin annex Ukraine help America and it allies!? do you want Putin to use energy and food as a political blackmail tool, do you think Putin will just stop with Ukraine. Its amazing how balse republicans are when it comes to defending democracy, yes America is still a democratic republic, nearly all state elections are decided by the popular vote. yes I can understand why conservatives being a minority would love to be a dictatorship since winning elections is almost impossible for them without gerrymandering and the electoral college
nfijapan
Corruption that we were sworn to didn’t exist, and that was a “Kremlin talking point”
agreed, just like the US, look at the last US administration, over 240+ criminal indictments, 4 of whom went to prision.
bass4funk
Yes, that is why McCarthy will have discussions with them and see who he can persuade and if they don't. they will get voted out, that simple.
The average American cares what happens in their lives, they could care less about what happens across the pond, it doesn't help them put food on their table, keep them warm at night or lower their gas prices.
Desert Tortoise
They are not defending democracy. They want the kind of government Russia has for America.
Antiquesaving
Amazing timing and amazing that nearly all are "deputy" this or that.
Zelensky; " look look America we caught the corrupt ones, now give tanks please"
Notice the no charges layed yet.
That will be done if no tank approved.
Then it will be : "look look America we are now prosecuting "
Once they get tanks the production will drag on for years.
bass4funk
That would be like saying Democrats are for Capitalism.
wtfjapan
The average American cares what happens in their lives, they could care less about what happens across the pond, it doesn't help them put food on their table, keep them warm at night or lower their gas prices.
and why do you think gas prices went so high after the invasion, American isnt immune to worldwide inflation and food prices, every wonder why wheat prices went so high!?
Just because a minority of Americans dont support democracy doesnt mean the majority want to abandon it and their democratic allies.
Legrande
Same old story as when Chiang K'ai-shek played with US money while fighting and then losing to Mao in China, then got rewarded with more US support in Taiwan.
Ego Sum Lux Mundi
These are unconfirmed reports, but absolutely hysterical if true:
Unconfirmed reports stating that the deputy head of the President of Ukraine, Kyrylo Timoshenko, fled to Israel, taking with him more than 600 million US dollars. Take this with caution but could also be why Zelensky signed these restrictions on travel.
Now why would a Ukrainian government official go to Israel? Can't imagine why...
And I’m not a military expert or anything, but I tend to suspect that this sort of thing doesn’t bode well for the current state of the Ukrainian war effort.
In the meantime, these related reports are confirmed.
Shapovalov isn’t just the deputy defense minister, he is in charge of logistics for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If the Ukrats in charge are beginning to take the cheese and run, this tends to imply that they know the Russians are going to launch a large-scale offensive soon.
OH WAIT, UPDATE: The reports of Timoshenko’s flight to Israel are now partially confirmed.
Speaking of unconfirmed reports, this one is potentially very big and may explain why the Ukrainian kleptocrats are fleeing the country.
“According to Russian sources, in the next few days, Putin will make an extremely important announcement. Moscow is expected to officially declare the start of a New Patriotic War.”
Yrral
Antique, Zelensky is so insecure and corrupt,he was told by British Intel ,his chief of staff Yermak is a Russian agent,he was summoned to London presented evidence Yermak is a Russian agent,he is Zelensky chief negotiator with naive American official,you know how I being saying Zelensky is corrupt,here for months,if you was a Russian,who better too info from a naive American,with your Ukrainain spy
bass4funk
So why won't Biden allow us to frack, and tap into our fossil fuels and other sustainable natural resources?
Not a minority, people are leaving blue states to escape the chaos of crime, high taxes, and a Stalinist conformist way of life.
If that were true then Nancy would still have the gavel.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/florida-bracing-for-new-influx-of-residents-fleeing-blue-states-after-democrats-election-success/
wtfjapan
it doesn't help them put food on their table, keep them warm at night or lower their gas prices.
inflation is coming down and gas prices are averaging 3.30 gallon, thanks president Biden.
Nemo
This is not only wrong, this this type of analysis borders on the infantile.
And it is not born out as a valid national policy by either WWI or WWII.
Blacklabel
(a) I was told no corruption existed and (b) who is investigating Zelensky?
Antiquesaving
Latest poll says 38% see the economy as the number one priority for Biden, only 8% see Ukraine as a priority. (Racism was also 8%)
Seems that when asked a non loaded question like what should the government priority be? The answer isn't what Biden and company wanted to hear.
The question always asked was " should America support Ukraine? majority reply Yes.
But if asked should America's economy, food prices, etc..suffer in order to support Ukraine, the reply is very different.
38% want the USA economy to be the priority only 8% actually care about Ukraine.
bass4funk
No, you are just angry because the liberal narrative is not going the way you want it to.
So why are taxes and food prices going up and why are people fleeing the highest tax states, people can't even buy eggs...EGGS! Why suffer under the communists when they can live where wokeness dies.
Thanks RDS.
Blacklabel
The most important and “telling” part of the article.
Yrral
Wtf,the majority of American could not name two countries that borders Ukraine, those will implicate Zelensky corruption ,if they testify in person too the Congress, Russian have Ukrainain agents, giving GPS Coordinates of Ukraine infrastructure
tooheysnew
but you did anyway !
UChosePoorly
Good job, Ukraine. We all need to make sure we hold people accountable. Also, glad to see the US and Germany among others get stuff done. Teamwork makes the dream work.
wtfjapan
Why suffer under the communists when they can live where wokeness dies.
GQP is the party closest to communism if thats what youre looking for, wokeness, just another right wing talking imaginary point to rile up the base. oh you forgot socialism
tooheysnew
@yrral
how about a bit of unbiased commentary ?
you do know that Putin & his cronies all own million dollar mansions & luxury yachts, & wear brand clothing. All the while sending Russia’s men off to die in a war in another country.
I don’t see Putin cleaning out any corrupt officials in the kremlin
Desert Tortoise
Some temporary inflation is, to me, a small price to pay compared to what happens if the Russians are not stopped in Ukraine. See Ukraine cities. That is what the rest of Europe and maybe some US cities are going to look like if the Russians are not stopped in Ukraine.
wtfjapan
If that were true then Nancy would still have the gavel.
same could be said for that 10 seat senate majority the red wave that never happened.
extremism will kill the GOP in the end
bass4funk
That has nothing to do with the purse, when kids need money, where do they get it from when they want to buy something? Mommy and daddy. Kevin is daddy. Biden is the kid that needs to get some change. That in itself is a tsunami.
If it didn't kill the Democrats, it won't kill the GOP
Tell that to the people that have had enough, this is why Nancy lost her gavel, that comment right there all the more makes me feel good and justified to snatch that gavel from Nancy.
Been to Detroit, Philly, Oakland, and Baltimore recently?
wtfjapan
That would be like saying Democrats are for Capitalism.
democrats are for capitalism, democratic administrations on average produce more jobs and have higher GDP growth compared to republican admins, these are the fact.
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/democrats-vs-republicans-which-is-better-for-the-economy-4771839
also to add 10 of the last 11 recessions have been under a republican president, lets not forget
a quarter on the national debt 7.8trillion was added under Trump in just 4yrs, party of fiscal responsibility LOL
bass4funk
No, that would be gender, race, equity, CRT, appeasement and capitulation issues.
If what you say is true, Nancy would still command her majority.
Cards fan
Only 8% of Americans care about Ukraine? Complete and utter nonsense.
Blacklabel
https://news.gallup.com/poll/406739/government-remains-americans-top-problem-2022.aspx
dont see any Ukraine listed. Oh that’s because:
“Issues with mentions from less than 3% of U.S. adults are not shown.”
Blacklabel
At one time it was a whole 9% though!
less than 1% yet we are still sending 70 billion to a country ripe with corruption.
bass4funk
Wrong.
Government jobs that's true. Doesn't help the economy grow though.
Do you mean that was overseen by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank?
Because of Covid and building up our military, so yes.
Cards fan
That the conflict is not the "top" priority, doesn't mean that A) it's not important for many Americans, B) doesn't mean they "don't care," and C) doesn't mean we should stop supporting them.
The US will keep supporting Ukraine, so keep complaining.
Eastman
boss who steals food from own soldiers is criminal-in any country.
bass4funk
That financial support is slowly coming to its much-needed decrescendo.
tooheysnew
you mean like every Russian officer from Putin down, who has stolen money & weapons, right ?
Blacklabel
will they? after they see where their money has reallllllly been going? Mansions, vacations, fancy cars, politician pockets.
Eastman
just wondering when west will realize that UA is one big black hole for money sent.
Cards fan
Do you have any proof of this?
Lol yes.
Thank goodness Zelensky is taking the corruption problems seriously then!
Cards fan
I don't know, but my guess is long after Russia realizes UA is one big graveyard for soldiers sent. They can go home any day now.
2020hindsights
Blacklabel
The US will keep supporting Ukraine, so keep complaining.
No, it isn't.
Eastman
They aren't sending money.
Eastman
Cards fan
Thank goodness Zelensky is taking the corruption problems seriously then!
Yes as irony-good try!
If you had chance to ask any UA citizen you may different reply anyway...
About 2nd comment-you must be very naive or depended on side side propaganda.You have no idea what does war means...I do.
Blacklabel
What corruption?
I was assured by all of you that was just a Kremlin talking point every time I brought it up. You could at least apologize for being wrong before deflecting.
Cards fan
I've never, ever said there was no corruption in Ukraine. I've been very clear that corruption is a problem there, and will continue to be so long as Russia continues to wield power there.
There's no denying that Russia is even more corrupt, and doing nothing for Ukraine would mean reintegrating Ukraine into it's corrupt system of oligarchy. Integration into the west means less corruption.
Blacklabel
thanks!
Blacklabel
Yet US taxpayers aren’t sending them 70 billion dollars so who cares?
so Russia is responsible for Zelensky administration corruption? What “power” does Russia “wield” in Ukraine? Ukraine is winning! Right?
Cards fan
Again, they're not being sent cash, and if one really cares about corruption, one should take actions that actually root out corruption. Do nothing, as you suggest, wouldn't actually do anything to curtail corruption.
Business power, that's what. Some of the most corrupt politicians in Ukraine all have connections to Russia. Ask yourself why that may be.
Antiquesaving
I didn't know Putin was asking billions in aid from the USA and western countries?!
Now we know Putin a d company are corrupt, but again they are not getting free money for the USA and western countries. So what is the point of saying it?
We are giving money to Ukrane and Ukraine is corrupt.
Notice how all this came as Oleksiy Arestovich is now talking freely and the Abrams tanks are being held up!
Notice mostly "deputy" XYZ are resigning?
Notice no charges!
Not a single close ally of Zelensky all secondary people.
How convenient.
Cards fan
The only thing I know is I personally have never claimed corruption isn't a problem in Ukraine.
Blacklabel
But but it’s just “suspected” corruption!
Russia is corrupt too! Yes it is.
The USA is corrupt too! Yes, it is under Biden, we see more and more every day.
all irrelevant. The place our taxpayer money went actually funded vacation, shopping, cars and mansions for corrupt Zelensky officials and likely Zelensky himself.
cut off the money flow, immediately until Is is resolved and non corrupt leadership is confirmed.
Desert Tortoise
No, he's begging North Korea and Iran.