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Texas shooter warning signs get lost in sea of social media posts

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Social media is irrelevant now,the response of law enforcement is being questioned,why did they wait too long to breech the classroom

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Social media posts are only a part of the problem. Parents more so, as many mothers and fathers feel unable to understand the psychological storms brewing in the teenage minds of their offspring and then fail to take the appropriate steps to nip the danger in the bud. Surely the guns and mountain of ammo should have alerted the parents of Salvador Ramos. The solution to the problem of mass-shootings in public schools should be a no-brainer, but predictably disingenuous right-wing politicians pretend not to understand: much stricter Gun CONTROL laws that effectively prevent firearms from getting into the hands of deeply disturbed teenage shooters, massive spending on the public school system to give children the education AND afford the protection that pupils in expensive private schools expect and enjoy. ALL LIVES MATTER! The prevention of bullying and mental health care for pupils don't come cheap, either, but expanding America's inadequate welfare system is an essential component of the solution to stop the slaughter of innocents. Sooner or later, the rich and powerful of America must be compelled to pony up and cough up the necessary funding. And t increasing scrutiny of the puzzling procrastination of the armed Uvalde responders is a clear indication that police reform still has a long way to go in a country where so many unarmed citizens die under a hail of bullets from the guns of the very people paid to protect them.

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This article is a distraction from the critical point - there are too many guns and they are too easy to obtain and by people who are too young to control their emotions. If anything, focus on the ineffectual police response (not going into the school when children were still being shot) or the lies and attempted cover up by the police and Abbott. At least Abbott has the grace to withdraw as a speaker from the NRA conference

Polling shows that overwhelmingly the American public believes that greater gun control is necessary (59%) and that 81% support improved background checks.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/05/25/most-voters-want-congress-to-pass-stricter-gun-laws-poll-finds/

But in the USA, the majority doesn't matter because a minority run the show. It's this minority that now has the blood of another 19 children on their hands. If you want to be a mass shooter, the USA is your first choice because nowhere else is it so easy to obtain high powered weaponry.

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There were many calls over many years to law enforcement about the Parkland Florida high school shooter, but that fell on deaf ears. And there, too, campus police was too scared to immediately respond. I think there needs to be improvement to the way they prevent, and respond to, mass shootings.

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The warning signs were there for anyone to stumble upon

Anyone to stumble upon? This is the job of parents. This warped kid was destroyed by his drug addicted mother and no show father. His grandmother tried setting him straight and she’s still in critical condition I believe. The MSM is now trying to rewrite and soften the role of the parents in a new narrative. Don’t buy it.

I’d say healthcare should be the MSM narrative here, not guns, but I’m not a Dem or Rep, so that’s a non-starter.

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The prevention of bullying and mental health care for pupils don't come cheap, either, but expanding America's inadequate welfare system is an essential component of the solution to stop the slaughter of innocents.

The gun lobby always blame anyone and anything for gun massacres other than the military grade killing machine that adolescents can buy the day they turn 18. The recent one is mental health. This does two things - mental health is something we can all agree is important, and educated liberals are particularly likely to focus on it. Secondly, it diminishes the blame for the murderer - he's a victim of mental health issues. It also pushes the blame to the government and away from guns.

I suggest taking them at their word and having a tax on ammunition purely to find nationwide mental healthcare all.

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This warped kid was destroyed by his drug addicted mother and no show father.

And this must make you even more afraid of the future given that we are likely to have a major increase in births of unwanted children to people unable to be good parents.

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Gun control first.

Parents should see the sign and even if they do, who'll listen if he doesn't have a police record, doubtthe police would be that interested. Then there are his class mates/peers, they know who the lone wolf is, again who do they tell And who'll listen. Then it's theteachers. But, gun control first

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And this must make you even more afraid of the future given that we are likely to have a major increase in births of unwanted children to people unable to be good parents.

Fear? Naaaa

Concern that the corporate MSM, which is hinged to big pharma, big insurance, etc will never allow a serious candidate or even a debate on a State or Federal healthcare revolution, which is what it might take to remove their power over the politics.

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Typical NRA supporter: “Guns don’t kill people, Ok? People kill people, you see?”

Duhhh . . . Isn’t it possible that gun safety and control and mental health are all related?

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Stop blaming social media for the mess that America is. Too many crazy, angry people with easy access to guns.

There were concerns voiced that there was not an armed guard at the school entrance. What sort of country needs armed guards at schools?

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The assigned armed guard was not present. Which makes Democrat politician liars when they say an armed guard makes no difference.

54 billion dollars could put a team of armed guards at each school entrance. Instead, some parents send and reduced their own kids.

we put an armed guard and secure our valuables and important things. Even celebrities and politicians. Why not our children and our schools?

you never heard that a bank was robbed so that means armed guards don’t work and no need to lock the vault.

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What sort of country needs armed guards at schools?

A country where it is insanely easy to buy military weaponry due to an interpretation of a document that's over 200 years old and written for a different era?

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Stop blaming social media for the mess that America is.

No, we definitely need to give a lot of blame to social media for a lot of what is happening. Social media today in around the world is one that leading cause for the digredation of our society and America is no exception to that as well, it has been poison to millions of kids and is continuing to bring societies down, kids are more withdrawn, kids have become more introverted and or less engaging, way before we had the Social media where children and young adults were more outgoing, more talkative and stayed healthier they were more physically active, compared to kids of today they have become lazier, and healthier and fatter.

Too many crazy, angry people with easy access to guns.

I think there could be a middle point that both parties could work with when it comes to increased gun safety, but neither side will budge and for the Republicans as long as the Democrats do not include other important factors into the equation as to why the situation keep happening and just strictly point to the gun as a sole factor in all this, they are not going to get into any negotiations with them, especially when it involves a second amendment, so if the Democrats want to show goodwill and get Republicans on board, they need to look at the bigger picture in all of this, and gun is just a part of the entire picture, not the full picture.

There were concerns voiced that there was not an armed guard at the school entrance. What sort of country needs armed guards at schools?

Schools that are in more prone violent crime ridden cities, with heavy gang presence, socially economically and financially deprived.

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Bass4,when have their been a mass shootings in a mostly black school,lots of gun owners obsess ion with gun is a mental illness

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54 billion dollars could put a team of armed guards at each school entrance. 

You keep using this number as if you believe if it hadn’t gone to Ukraine it would have instantly been used for infrastructure, health care, poverty in the US etc when there is no precedent, in fact quite the opposite, to show Republicans wouldn’t block any spending.

Only one entrance with armed guards? Fire department won’t like that suggestion. How many is ‘a team’? Where do they get their training? How do we know they are mentally sound? What’s the psychological effect of making kids walk through a door security check of armed guards every day? Going to check every bag? Armed guards get shot? Who’s next? Head of the Math department needs a gun too?

Lots of questions for you to ponder before you draw up your budget.

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54 billion dollars could put a team of armed guards at each school entrance. Instead, some parents send and reduced their own kids.

Except as we've all seen, Republicans are fine with kids having to die as long as they get to keep their guns. We've already seen that they're not willing to enact gun control or reform. The 54 billion dollars wouldn't go towards anything but tax cuts for mega corporations, because that's what Republicans care about. Not the middle class. Not kids in Uvalde, and not kids in Sandy Hook.

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All the training and game theory that teachers, students and the police go through proves to be useless as people run for their lives or freeze instead of moving forward into the battle as they've been trained to do. Confusion, conflicting directives, foggy thinking, mistakes, cowardice and more- all contribute to the shockingly high success rate every one of these mass murderer's achieves before either being killed or killing themselves. Weeks of analysis and hand wringing, political posturing and debate eventually slide into the background to lay dormant only to flare up with the next mass murder. And yet, nothing changes, more guns are sold, more laws to own them are weakened while the NRA and the politicians they've bought continue to support that as a nation we should own 400 mm guns.

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Bass4funk: “No, we definitely need to give a lot of blame to social media for a lot of what is happening.”

For a change, we agree, especially FOX, which takes a lot of the blame for these murders.

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You keep using this number as if you believe if it hadn’t gone to Ukraine it would have instantly been used for infrastructure, health care, poverty in the US etc when there is no precedent, in fact quite the opposite, to show Republicans wouldn’t block any spending. 

You don't know that. Then how about this, let's use $250 billion dollars of Covid relief fund that is just sitting there? I mean, it shouldn't matter to libs, right? For them, it's just money, no biggie....

Only one entrance with armed guards? Fire department won’t like that suggestion. How many is ‘a team’? Where do they get their training? How do we know they are mentally sound? What’s the psychological effect of making kids walk through a door security check of armed guards every day? Going to check every bag? Armed guards get shot? Who’s next? Head of the Math department needs a gun too?

Maybe, if that's what it takes, but truthfully, all you need is one armed police officer or military person, they can be retired as well.

Lots of questions for you to ponder before you draw up your budget.

Yes. Another idea would be to build a safety chamber room on each floor that the kids can get into, solid impregnable and it would give the kids and faculty enough time to go into these rooms, and once locked, no gunman can get in, that will buy them all the time we need.

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Social Media doesn't kill Americans. Guns don't kill Americans. 'MurIkuns kill Americans.

The real question is why America is so broken that Murkuns are killing Americans so regularly as compared to other countries.

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The only real solution is firearms training for all children when they enter elementary school. There should be a ceremony for the presentation of their official firearms when they enter kindergarten, and ensuring that their gat is strapped at the start of the day, and properly loaded, needs to become part of the curriculum. Then these kids can fire back at active shooters like good little 'Murikuns. That'll solve the problem.

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The only real solution is firearms training for all children when they enter elementary school.

Kinderguardians!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk

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Except as we've all seen, Republicans are fine with kids having to die as long as they get to keep their guns.

Is that the Democrat's excuse for letting DC, Baltimore, Memphis, Oakland, Detroit, Compton, Chicago go downhill, kids are dying each and every single day in these cities and Democrats dismiss it by defunding the police, not allowing them to do their jobs, their DA's refuse to prosecute crimes against the largest and most violent of criminals, so with all due respect, the Dems 60 years of dealing with guns in their cities is less than impressive, they have no room to talk. I suggest that the Dems clean up their mess in the cities that hold their largest voting constituents first before jumping all over conservatives about them not caring about the kids.

We've already seen that they're not willing to enact gun control or reform.

Given the Democrat's abysmal record when it comes to crime, who on Earth would believe or trust these people?

The 54 billion dollars wouldn't go towards anything but tax cuts for mega corporations,

Proof, please.

because that's what Republicans care about. Not the middle class.

If they didn't then people wouldn't be voting for them in increasing numbers.

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Only one entrance with armed guards? 

That’s why my comment says “each” entrance.

and yes 54 billion dollars could have funded this. Just like liberals claim whatever money spent by non liberals (+Musk) could “cure world hunger” or “house the homeless”

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Maybe, if that's what it takes, but truthfully, all you need is one armed police officer or military person, they can be retired as well.

Like at the supermarket in Buffalo? RIP. Or Parkland? Not RIP because he stood outside for 10 minutes, holding his firearm, and did nothing.

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For a change, we agree, especially FOX, which takes a lot of the blame for these murders.

No, they don't, stop regurgitating liberal weekend talking points from depressed media outlets, no one is to blame for this except the shooter.

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The 54 billion dollars wouldn't go towards anything but 

But but. You can’t know this as the money is already gone. Oh what it could have been spent on that would benefit the Americans who paid it in tax.

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But but. You can’t know this as the money is already gone. Oh

We can see the GOP's record on gun control. They haven't done anything. Ever. Even when they controlled both branches of government. "If only we hadn't sent aid to Ukraine " is a nonsense argument.

Oh what it could have been spent on that would benefit the Americans who paid it in tax.

I think supplying weapons to Ukraine in order to stop the Russian invasion is a benefit to the US.

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I think supplying weapons to Ukraine in order to stop the Russian invasion is a benefit to the US.

It’s not even in the Top 12 concerns of Americans in latest pew research.

54 billion would have bought so much school security. Now there is no money left and Schumer is blocking Republican legislation. He and Dems don’t care or they could pass something without any Repubs at all.

but they don’t.

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We can see the GOP's record on gun control.

Again, the Democrats going by their abysmal history when it comes to guns and crime is falling on deaf ears and will never be taken seriously until the Dems cleanup their own cities first.

They haven't done anything. Ever.

Again, they have offered multiple solutions in addition to limited gun control, but Dems want to focus on guns so it’s at that point DOA.

Even when they controlled both branches of government.

The Democrats as well.

"If only we hadn't sent aid to Ukraine " is a nonsense argument.

No, because we would have more money that we could allocate to funding better improvements to retrofit these schools to curtail shootings and keep these kids safe.

I think supplying weapons to Ukraine in order to stop the Russian invasion is a benefit to the US.

No, it’s not. It doesn’t put food on my table. It doesn’t lower gas and food prices, doesn’t lower housing costs and doesn’t help to keep small businesses from closing down.

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Are all the Police in Uvalde trained by Barney Fife? Did they have trouble getting that single bullet out of their shirt pocket and loaded? Seems Pete Arredondo was trained by Barney.

Where was the school "Resource Officer"? That's code for "campus cop" in K-12 schools.

Pete Arredondo, the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District chief of police — decided the team needed more equipment and officers to enter the classroom where the shooter was holed up.

All the other classrooms could have been emptied. The parents need to ask Pete how many children needed to die before his police did something?

I'm a bit pissed off. There were 19 cops there and Pete didn't let them do anything? Seriously?

Uvalde isn't near any border. Why is the Border Patrol being called? Uvalde is halfway between San Antonio and Del Rio - which is a border down. About 2 hrs at Texas Speeds to each.

Uvalde is about 15,000 people, so a small town. School cops and police need to practice clearing each of the schools in their areas and be prepared to face legal semi-automatic rifles as part of their training.

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Don't be fooled by deflection and mistruths spread by the usual suspects. Republicans have long opposed any gun control. They are refusing to move even on background checks. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/republicans-gun-control.html

The notion that they are open to any discussion on gun control is a lie.

Instead the usual suspects will only focus on mental illness without acknowledging that gun control has to be part of the solution.

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Again, the Democrats going by their abysmal history when it comes to guns and crime is falling on deaf ears and will never be taken seriously until the Dems cleanup their own cities first.

That's right. American children should be left to get shot at school, because Libs.

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Schumer blocked the Republican bill. So it’s false that they did nothing. He said “I blocked it”.

The truth: Schumer blocked a bipartisan bill the makes the school safety clearinghouse http://schoolsafety.gov permanent because radical left wing activists oppose it

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Schumer blocked the Republican bill. So it’s false that they did nothing. He said “I blocked it”.

lol Great point, Black. You really proved me wrong. Codifying an already existing program into law would have prevented the latest shooting in Uvalde.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Republicans do nothing. Dishonest hacks like Ronald Johnson would have passed this bill and called it a day, without enacting any sort of meaningful change. Republiclans are clowns.

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lmao How is codifying an existing program into law, "doing something"? 

Because then it’s a law, obviously. Why would Schumer be afraid of this becoming law?

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Don't be fooled by deflection and mistruths spread by the usual suspects. Republicans have long opposed any gun control. They are refusing to move even on background checks.

Yes!

The notion that they are open to any discussion on gun control is a lie. 

No, it’s not a lie, but as the old saying goes, lead by example. The Dems don’t have the history to accuse the Republicans of anything. We can throw it right back in their face. If they clean up their cites and then propose an agreeable middle point on limited gun control they will listen, but until that time comes, they will not and they shouldn’t.

Instead the usual suspects will only focus on mental illness

Shooting your grandmother in the face, killing kids is a rational thing? Really? Yeah, just gloss over the guys mental state.

without acknowledging that gun control has to be part of the solution.

As well, of course.

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Because then it’s a law, obviously.

The program already exists.

Why would Schumer be afraid of this becoming law?

Because dishonest people, like Ron Johnson, and posters here, would claim victory and do absolutely nothing.

Just admit it, a couple dozen dead kids is a bargain of a price to pay for your guns.

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The program already exists.

Not as a “law” it doesn’t. Entirely voluntary so means anyone can choose to not do it.

that’s why we make things into laws.

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Because dishonest people, like Ron Johnson, and posters here, would claim victory and do absolutely nothing.

Like you and Dems and their unrelated to schools “domestic terrorism” bill? Yep.

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Not as a “law” it doesn’t. Entirely voluntary so means anyone can choose to not do it.

Thank you for proving you don't even know what the law is about.

The bill would codify into law a clearinghouse of information for the best school safety practices. The clearinghouse, available at SchoolSafety.gov, informs parents, teachers and school officials of the best practices for improving school security and publishes information on available grant programs and federal resources

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/2022/5/sen-ron-johnson-s-school-safety-legislation-blocked-by-senate-democrats

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“California Governor Gavin Newsom and other legislators Wednesday pledged to accelerate the process for more than a dozen gun safetybills.”

More than a dozen bills. None of which would prevent this shooting or any other.

what was that about doing nothing and claiming victory?

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https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/2022/5/sen-ron-johnson-s-school-safety-legislation-blocked-by-senate-democrats

Yes I posted that yesterday. I see no reason for this to be blocked from being codified into law.

Do you?

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