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Shootings prompt Venezuela against travel to the US. Oh, the irony. Let's hope the people take heed.

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Knee-jerk reaction.

Will be quickly forgotten. Well, until next week...

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with three countries warning their citizens about the risks of traveling to the U.S.

Given the increasing levels of violence in the US, given US politicians will do nothing more than offer thoughts and prayers because they're so cowed by the guns and ammo industries, and the reality there are misogynists and racists able to easily access weapons that sane nations only allow their military and police forces to have, and these sick haters target those they think 'different', that's understandable.

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Maduro's just mad that even after mass shootings, it's still safer in the US than in his own country...

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Maduro's just mad that even after mass shootings, it's still safer in the US than in his own country...

Is it?

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No different than if you ask the average American if crime is falling in the country and you're unlikely to hear about how after upticks in 2015 and 2016 the last two years continue a trend of long-term decline since the 1990s, Governments, of course, should know better.

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Death rates from mass shootings resulting from mass shootings between 2009 and 2015, per million per country, according to world population review:

   Norway 1.888

   Serbia 0.381

   France 0.347

   Macedonia 0.337

   Albania 0.206

   Slovakia 0.185

   Switzerland 0.142

   Finland 0.132

   Belgium 0.128

   The Czech Republic 0.123

   USA 0.089

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 Norway 1.888

   Serbia 0.381

   France 0.347

   Macedonia 0.337

   Albania 0.206

   Slovakia 0.185

   Switzerland 0.142

   Finland 0.132

   Belgium 0.128

   The Czech Republic 0.123

  USA 0.089

Don't expect the liberal media to put this on their screens and inform the public, it would severely undermine their targeted hatred for the US.

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Don't expect the liberal media to put this on their screens and inform the public, it would severely undermine their targeted hatred for the US.

And don't expect an honest assessment of gun violence in the U.S. from extreme right-wingers and other 2A fanatics when it comes to this problem, especially when the source for these "facts" comes from a pro-right gun organization and then spread like manure on Fox News. A closer look as to what was just posted was not exactly accurate and was misleading. Here's a more detailed analysis of the above claim:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/

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They don't want to come here, great. Let them travel to socialist utopias (Cuba, any Scandinavian country, France, Germany, the UK, any Eastern bloc nation, etc.) where crime and violence is non existent (according to all liberals).

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where crime and violence is non existent (according to all liberals).

The liberals in your head?

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@WilliB

I'm sorry, how often do mass shootings occur in Norway, again? Just curious. Wait, let me Google that:

The example of Norway gives a good illustration of just how absurd this use of statistics is. In 2009 and 2010, according to Lott’s data, there were zero mass shooting deaths in Norway. In 2011, far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people in a series of bombings in Oslo, then shot dead 69 more in a massacre at a Labor Party summer camp on Utoya island. 

In 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015, there was not a single death from a mass shooting in Norway.

If we compare the number of mass shooting deaths each year to the population of Norway each year, using the same method we did for the United States, we get an average annual death rate of 2 per million, more than 20 times higher than the rate in the United States (0.09 per million), even though we know there were zero mass shooting deaths in six out of those seven years, in Norway.

If this strikes you as ridiculous, you’re on to something. 

In his analysis, Lott used the mean to calculate the average annual death rate from mass shootings, which is calculated by adding all the numbers in a set divided by the amount of numbers in the set. This is a problem in situations such as these, as it assigns equal value to all numbers. (The mean of a set of numbers is also referred to as its average.) 

The median, which is the middle point in a list of values in which half the numbers are above and half are below, can give a far better sense of what is typical. 

If we apply the median to Norway’s annual death rate from mass shootings between 2009 and 2015, we mitigate against the enormous skewing effect of one of those years (2011), and get a much more realistic statistical picture of mass shootings in Norway. The median, in this case, is ZERO. That means that in a typical year between 2009 and 2015, nobody in Norway was killed in a mass shooting.

(emphasis added)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/

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WilliB

Norway 1.888

   Serbia 0.381

   France 0.347

   Macedonia 0.337

   Albania 0.206

   Slovakia 0.185

   Switzerland 0.142

   Finland 0.132

   Belgium 0.128

   The Czech Republic 0.123

  USA 0.089

that's per million as you said. Norway's population is 5.26 millions ( so in total ~9 deaths) while the US population is 327.2 (~29), the only country that comes close to the US on this list is France (~22).

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Yet people at our border every single day trying to sneak into our supposedly racist, violent, white supremacy driven country.

Hmmm.

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Some scary stats:

2019 US Mass Shooting Statistics By Month

Number of Mass Shootings Total number killed Total number wounded Occurred at a school Occurred at a place of worship

January 28 48 86 0 0

February 22 38 68 0 0

March 21 13 89 0 0

April 34 23 136 1 1

May 43 40 181 1 0

June 48 34 217 0 0

July 52 50 202 0 0

August (so far) 11 40 87 0 0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

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They don't want to come here, great. Let them travel to socialist utopias (Cuba, any Scandinavian country, France, Germany, the UK, any Eastern bloc nation, etc.) where crime and violence is non existent (according to all liberals).

I agree. No reason to question your assertiongibwn in certain you've spoken with every single liberal.

Don't you agree that immigrants should go back to their own countries and make those places better?

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 and the reality there are misogynists and racists able to easily access weapons that sane nations only allow their military and police forces to have, and these sick haters target those they think 'different', that's understandable.

Interesting. When America was a mostly White and Black country, with about 250 million citizens, seems it was the country of choice for Japanese homestay, university enrollment, and for other countries as well. Now that dem controlled LA looks like sanctuary city for the homeless, guess my country just isnt appealing as it used to be.

I see you and others here, and the MSM virtual editorial page on TV (its no longer news, but commentary) blame racism...everyday all day. Why not, with all its clout and leverage, have reporters from the MSM go up and down tent cities in LA, asking them, how did you get here? What gov polices are there to help you out? Then take a visit over to city hall, knock on doors. Then have a commentary about that, pick that apart. Why not have reporters go to the border, ask a big sample from that group, "where are you from?" "what are you running from" then take that info, go to those sources and countries, and pick that apart and commentary on that. Thats not being racist, thats getting to solutions. It takes effort, sometimes dangerous, might loose some supporters. This is why Trump is in office, dude. There is blame and commentary, but then there is reality. Going into the west side of Chicago and Baltimore, some of the most dangerous places in the world, and asking...."why" how did this get to this? who is in charge? its not racist dude. Its our country.

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so many of you quote stats and studies, but where are the surveys of these dem controlled cities and why isnt there a weekly report from the MSM. Accountablity. The answers are in the trends. I think it starts with the people at the micro level.

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It doesn’t get more unbiased and that supposedly news outlet. Lol

Again, you attack the source instead of refuting their points with logic and reason. All you have to offer in response is a "Lol."

Which is exactly the Liberals mantra. Lol.

Again, another juvenile deflection with a "Lol" instead of an actual coherent reply.

I have a pet rat that does a lot of research as well. As a matter of fact if you really want to talk about research then we can do the same with using Breitbart as a source.

It's obvious that you have no desire to be serious about this. As far as Breitbart goes, whenever I disagree with something that they've posted, I offer multiple counter sources instead of "Lols" and ROFLs." You cannot say the same.

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Again, you attack the source

Because its not wrong to question its accuracy on numerous occasions and no I’m not saying that is completely inaccurate always, but to say that it is completely unbiased it’s not dealing with reality.

It's obvious that you have no desire to be serious about this.

I very much do, and as always I like a nice and sensible to bed, but I think it is ludicrous to just take always a one-sided liberal viewpoint of everything, that’s atrocious and then when facts are presented from an opposing point of you, liberals always want to discount it adds faults or a complete outright lie. If you start to think like that, then you really can’t have a proper discussion.

As far as Breitbart goes, whenever I disagree with something that they've posted, I offer multiple counter sources instead of "Lols" and ROFLs." You cannot say the same

I can.

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Because its not wrong to question its accuracy on numerous occasions and no I’m not saying that is completely inaccurate always, but to say that it is completely unbiased it’s not dealing with reality.

No one is saying that it is completely unbiased. Go back to my original point of saying that you should provide counter-arguments to what they have in their article. You have yet to do that here, so why not take parts of the article that you disagree with, highlight them, and then refute them using logic, reason, and credible counter-sources.

I very much do, and as always I like a nice and sensible to bed, 

I have no idea what that phrase means. Please clarify.

I think it is ludicrous to just take always a one-sided liberal viewpoint of everything . . .

As opposed to always taking a one-sided right-wing viewpoint of everything . . .

. . . liberals always want to discount it adds faults or a complete outright lie

Except for all of the links to sources debunking much of what you believe. Apply your own logic here to many of the arguments you and your fellow right-wingers make (and notice I'm not using the term "Conservative" because you are not one) on a daily basis and then come back in here in tell us why we cannot have a proper discussion.

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It doesn’t get more unbiased and that supposedly news outlet. Lol

News outlet? Who told you that? Breitbart?

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No one is saying that it is completely unbiased.

Thank you! That is exactly my point I was trying to make

As opposed to always taking a one-sided right-wing viewpoint of everything . . . 

I don’t, but if you believe so, then you have the right to do that.

Except for all of the links to sources debunking much of what you believe.

Not just what “I” believe in.

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Who would want to go to that country anyway? with their clown of a leader and more shootings incidents this year than their have been days, with quite a few of them massacres like the two in the last Week.

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Because its not wrong to question its accuracy 

Then what is inaccurate about its assessment?

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Joetokyo:

I'm sorry, how often do mass shootings occur in Norway, again? Just curious

Very rarely. Now pick a location in US with 5 million people that is away from the crime hotspots, and you also get "very rarely".

Which again underlines the absurdity of making claims about the "frequency" of of something that occurs among a population of 5 million and among a population of 300 million. Which is what the propaganda aka mainstream media do every day.

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Don't expect the liberal media to put this on their screens and inform the public, it would severely undermine their targeted hatred for the US.

The figure for Norway is high because only of a single mass shooting by an extreme right winger, Anders Behring Breivik, against other Norwegian people.

The simple fact is that out of all the developed countries America has the highest rate for gun homicides. Therefore the chances of being shot dead while in America are greater.

But that fact alone would not prevent me from visiting but there cities I would not visit.

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It called growing gun violence in the United States a human rights crisis, which could put travelers in the cross hairs for their race, country of origin or sexual orientation

Population increases in the US also more than offset the risk of being caught in a random shooting or terrorist attack to literally less a one in a million chance. Making these warnings is not only embarrassing and ignorant, but (surprise !) quite obviously politically.

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Maduro's just mad that even after mass shootings, it's still safer in the US than in his own country...

Is it?

Well, when you are warned to stay within tourist areas to stay safe if you are visiting Venezuala, I'd say yes, without a doubt.

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