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It's up to the country and it's people to determine what they believe is right for them. One has to be an idiot to bring drugs into Singapore, particularly someone from Singapore, who KNOWS the punishment for getting caught.

4 ( +16 / -12 )

Good for them. These days, we need to conserve resources and oxygen. Removing two death dealers from the gene pool is a noble deed. If only more countries would follow suit...

-4 ( +12 / -16 )

Whatever the view on capital punishment, fact is that drugs are widely available in Singapore. Just a bit pricier and lower quality.....

So not sure the deterrence is working all that well.

6 ( +14 / -8 )

If the man was severely handicapped mentally, then he should have been given a lengthy prison sentence. Too late now, but it’s pitiful to think about his final thoughts.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

Well there is a Tourist don’t go area. Handicapped or accidentally used by underhand means, your dead. Luckily my ideal destinations don’t include a country that kills people.

2 ( +11 / -9 )

Wrong country for Kalwant paaji to bring drugs into.

He could have gone to Canada where his brethren from Punjab control the drug trade. Anyone who has followed the lower Mainland gang conflict will understand what I am talking about.

2 ( +9 / -7 )

Do you think he might have been a mule? There have been reports of people carrying who didn't know they were carrying. Impossible to prove or disprove, wouldn't you say?

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

Their country, their rules.

Singapore executes rapists, killers and drug dealers. It is the ultimate punishment for committing these completely unforgivable crimes. Saves a lot of money for the Singaporean taxpayers, too.

Luckily my ideal destinations don’t include a country that kills people.

I guess you must be avoiding Japan?

5 ( +13 / -8 )

Luckily my ideal destinations don’t include a country that kills people.

That means you're boycotting Japan, and most of Asia. And the Mideast, and Africa, and so on.

3 ( +10 / -7 )

Stormcrow- if you read about the story you will see that these two were not just unwitting mules. They were fully involved in the trafficking of heroin for purpose of sale. They had 9 years of appeals and finally executed. The world is a better place without them in it.

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

Singapore hanged two drug traffickers Thursday in what campaigners condemned as a "shameful and inhuman punishment", taking to four the number of executions in the city-state since March.

Excellent. Keep Singapore safe for my next visit.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

There is a sign, clearly posted at Arrivals:

Death to Drug Traffickers...if you don't like it, " Don't Go There ", and I was there in 1996?

-1 ( +6 / -7 )

I’m sure hanging shoplifters would be an effective deterrent too - does that justify the implementation of capital punishment for such a crime?

3 ( +11 / -8 )

Nihon

As above, plenty of drugs in Singapore. so death penalty not an effective deterrent. Just makes it more profitable for the dealers.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

Visitors to Singapore do not need to concerned for their safety from drug smugglers. Capital punishment is barbaric which is why more than 100 countries have abolished it. More doing so every year.

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’Im sure hanging shoplifters would be an effective deterrent too - does that justify the implementation of capital punishment for such a crime?

Capital punishment used to be the "law" for any and all crimes committed, and it was known by everyone as well. Not to mention that it was around a hell of a lot longer than what system(s) we have today.

Then someone came up with the idea that killing people for any and all crimes was "barbaric" and instituted a penal system, and guess what happened? Oh it continues to today.

Crime exploded and has never stopped. So yes, throughout most of human history, capital punishment was in fact a very large and effective deterrent to crime. But now we are a more "humane" a "gentle" society.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

I've lived in S'pore on and off my whole life and everyone I knew, understood not to mess with the drug trafficking laws. But, yeah, executing a mentally disabled person for that is pretty wrong and needs to reexamined.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

The two executed today wont traffic drugs anymore so it's an effective deterrent

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

No matter what you say to try to justify it, capital punishment is an irreversible/incompensable sentence carried out by a fallible judicial system and is therefore immoral and unethical.

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No matter what you say to try to justify it, capital punishment is an irreversible/incompensable sentence carried out by a fallible judicial system and is therefore immoral and unethical.

You're saying if it's carried out by an infallible judicial system it would be moral and ethical.

That's dumb.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

But, yeah, executing a mentally disabled person for that is pretty wrong and needs to reexamined.

Wow, it seems that every time a Southeast Asian country executes someone for drug trafficking, the person is always "mentally disabled" -- at least according to the media.

Sorry, but it seems like an automatic card that's always played.

death penalty not an effective deterrent. 

Then life imprisonment, which would be the next-most severe penalty, isn't a deterrent either. So should we abolish that, too?

Sorry, but I don't understand why, if a given punishment is not a deterrent, the answer is to implement a less serious punishment.

An analogy: If you ground your teenage son several times for a month each, and his behavior doesn't improve, your response is, "Okay, let's just ground him for a week instead."

And then expecting his behavior to improve -- which is, of course, idiotic.

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This is a subject that will continue to be argued for as long it exists. Taking the last breath out of any living thing is Ugly, and Inhumane regardless of reason on in many cases NO reason.

When a state or a human decides to end a life they are just as guilty and ugly as the killer or murderer.

NO one has the right to end a life.

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Then life imprisonment, which would be the next-most severe penalty, isn't a deterrent either. So should we abolish that, too?

Sorry, but I don't understand why, if a given punishment is not a deterrent, the answer is to implement a less serious punishment.

Yes, happens to be less serious punishment but that's not exactly what they're saying.

Theyre saying/advocating humane or more humane punishment.

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USNinJapan2Today  04:42 pm JST

No matter what you say to try to justify it, capital punishment is an irreversible/incompensable sentence carried out by a fallible judicial system and is therefore immoral and unethical.

Then let's not allow this fallible judicial system to imprison people for life, either -- according to the logic being presented here.

I understand that an imprisoned-for-life person can be released from prison if it's determined that he/she was innocent -- in fact, that has happened in some cases.

But in every case, the person had spent many years, even decades, in prison. Because of a major mistake made by a fallible legal system, the person has lost the prime of his/her life. They can never get that back.

So, according to your logic, we shouldn't allow a fallible judicial system to do that to a person. We shouldn't ever take that chance.

So, we should strip the fallible judicial system of its power to imprison people for life. Or even for 10 years.

See where I'm going with this? See where this "fallible judicial system" argument of yours would go if taken to its logical conclusion? There would be no ethical grounds for not only allowing it to execute people, but even to imprison them.

And besides, there is absolutely no claim being made in this Singapore case that these two people were innocent. Even the anti-capital punishment advocates aren't making that claim.

So I would hope you agree that, in cases where the person's guilt is absolutely and completely established without doubt, the "fallible judicial system" argument is not applicable.

Indeed, every human institution in the world is fallible. Governments, all governments, are fallible -- and they, more than any other human institution in the world put together, have committed massive atrocities in world history that have caused more bloodshed than anything else in this world.

So should we abolish the very concept of government on that basis, too?

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

Given the popularity among mass shooters of taking one's own life in preference to the certainty of longterm incarceration suggests that the latter is less inviting. Japan's method seems to be to imprison them for many years of alternating hope and despair possibly resulting in remorse, and then hang 'em.

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ianToday  04:48 pm JST

No matter what you say to try to justify it, capital punishment is an irreversible/incompensable sentence carried out by a fallible judicial system and is therefore immoral and unethical.

You're saying if it's carried out by an infallible judicial system it would be moral and ethical.

That's dumb.

The person who posted that "fallible judicial system" comment presumably is in the U.S. military, at least based on his/her nickname here.

Well, the U.S. military is fallible -- very, very fallible.

It has frequently in its history killed innocent people during wars -- often by accident, such as when it accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner in the late 1980s, and sometimes even on purpose.

So, according to that person's logic, the U.S. military -- because it is fallible, because it has made horrible mistakes and errors that have led to frequent unjustified deaths -- it should be utterly stripped of its authority to wage war. Ever again.

Wow, this "fallible judicial system" argument can be picked apart really quite easily.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

You're saying if it's carried out by an infallible judicial system it would be moral and ethical.

The irreversibility of a sentence might be the immoral aspect, as it leaves no room for rectifying error.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

If you're dumb enough to traffic drugs through those nations, your brain isn't worth preserving. They're pretty clear about it at all points of entry and exit.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

Little a bit overkill

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USNinJapan2Today  04:42 pm JST

No matter what you say to try to justify it, capital punishment is an irreversible/incompensable sentence carried out by a fallible judicial system and is therefore immoral and unethical.

Interesting statement. I see any form of incarceration, not just a death penalty, as being irreversible/incompensable. How to you reverse or compensate a person incarcerated for years or decades? And all judicial systems are fallible, because they rely on human beings to function, and humans are fallible. By that reasoning, all judicial systems are immoral and unethical. But without a judicial system, we can not have a civilized society based on the rule of law. Seems to me that all you're really saying is that you're against capital punishment. Which of course is fine of course. I just don't buy those reasons.

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"We urge the Singaporean authorities to immediately stop this latest wave of hangings and impose a moratorium on executions as a step towards ending this shameful and inhuman punishment," said the group's Emerlynne Gil.

I am guessing Singaporean authorities are not going to listen to Emerlynne.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Well done Singapore.

Every country should follow suit.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

And what happens when unscrupulous baggage handlers use other people's luggage for transportation of contraband across international boarders? This has happened and only recently.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

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