Six dead after migrant boat capsizes in Channel

While this is a tragedy, it's a completely avoidable one. What are the French doing to stop these people arriving illegally? The French are happy for them to pass through and make them the UK's problem, and this is what happens.

What are the French doing to stop these people arriving illegally?

What should they be doing?

It will never be 100% preventable by the French or British only by arresting the smuggling gangs. There are British and French police on the French beaches. The problem is too great and the people are too desperate not to try anything.

There are not any easy and simple solutions.

More will die in the channel and also in the Mediterranean.

all six fatalities were Afghan men believed to be in their 30s.

Yes the usual age and sex for these economic migrants. Escaping the "horrors" of their home country but leaving their sisters and mothers behind.

More than 100,000 migrants have crossed the Channel on small boats from France to southeast England since Britain began publicly recording the arrivals in 2018, official figures revealed on Friday.

That is the number they know about, those undetected is unknown.

"My thoughts and prayers are with those affected by the tragic loss of life in the Channel today,"

Yes more thoughts and prayers, that's what we need.

There are not any easy and simple solutions.

So true. The most effective solutions will originate in the Middle East and not on a French beach. Reduce the conditions that drive people to flee their homelands. They are not doing this for fun. They are desperate to save their lives.

Germany, France, the UK, and the EU needs to tackle the cause, not the effect.

Germany, France, the UK, and the EU needs to tackle the cause, not the effect.

And how would they do that?

By making business investments in the countries of origin to increase jobs and encourage people to remain in their own countries. By giving aid. The costs to Europe are enormous.

Germany, France, the UK, and the EU needs to tackle the cause, not the effect.

And how would they do that?

The way Australia have done. Stop sending any shop so called "rescue" orchestrated by EU. Lock down NGO ships and people for helping smugglers. Italy and Greece have tried but so called Human Rights and EU want them more. Poland and Hungary are doing good jobs.

By making business investments in the countries of origin to increase jobs and encourage people to remain in their own countries. By giving aid.

But the the right-wingers freak out about giving people in other countries money. So how do you deal with that?

The way Australia have done. Stop sending any shop so called "rescue" orchestrated by EU. Lock down NGO ships and people for helping smugglers. Italy and Greece have tried but so called Human Rights and EU want them more.

Ahh, the punitive approach. Got it.

Strangerland

By making business investments in the countries of origin to increase jobs and encourage people to remain in their own countries. By giving aid.

But the the right-wingers freak out about giving people in other countries money. So how do you deal with that?

I am not a politician or economist so I don't have detailed solutions but the current situation does not work and is costing millions of something. Dealing with the cause has been pushed for decades.

No solutions will cause many more deaths.

I am not a politician or economist so I don't have detailed solutions but the current situation does not work and is costing millions of something. Dealing with the cause has been pushed for decades.

Yeah, it's one of those empty statements that make people feel better about their anger. "They just need to deal with the root of the problem", as if this is some simple solution, rather than an almost infinitely complex situation due to governments not being able to set rules in other countries without going to war and taking the other countries over.

Armchair quarterbacks will whine and blame politicians for not implementing some fantasy solution that doesn't exist anywhere other than the ideological fake world these people have made up in their minds.

Strangerland

I am not a politician or economist so I don't have detailed solutions but the current situation does not work and is costing millions of something. Dealing with the cause has been pushed for decades.

> Yeah, it's one of those empty statements that make people feel better about their anger. "They just need to deal with the root of the problem", as if this is some simple solution, rather than an almost infinitely complex situation due to governments not being able to set rules in other countries without going to war and taking the other countries over.

> Armchair quarterbacks will whine and blame politicians for not implementing some fantasy solution that doesn't exist anywhere other than the ideological fake world these people have made up in their minds.

We are all armchair quarterbacks on forums like JT including you. So what are your proposals to resolve the tragic situation which kills thousands including young children and babies?

Are you just in need of some personal vending?

My statement is not empty but I don't have personal power to implement policies in the EU/UK.

I am not angry, just a little sad about the tragic loss of lives.

Investment migration: an opportunity to improve and gain trust

https://www.politico.eu/sponsored-content/investment-migration-an-opportunity-to-improve-and-gain-trust/

Five migration solutions for Europe for 2023

https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/opinion/2022/12/06/migration-solutions-Europe-2023-policy-ideas

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I wait for you to post your solutions.

@kintsugi,

I agree with the points you have made about trying to deal with the cause. And I also don't know any good way to do that.

History suggest the movement of people has happened over thousands of years. Are we facing a similar pattern now?

NPD