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3-day lockdown ordered in Australian city of Brisbane after virus outbreak

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oh no briz vegas....

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but people will still be allowed to leave home

Wow! "still allowed"...sound like a "free-way" from prison.

I am very happy to live in Japan where I am free to do whatever I want to.

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@Monty - I am very happy to live in Japan where I am free to do whatever I want to.

And that is exactly why Japan still has over ten thousand new cases every week. You are free to contract and spread the virus. How wonderful!

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Poor BrisVegas. Not sure how 3 days lockdown works. If indeed any of these measures have been really effective. But they are now the accepted means of doing something on so they will continue indefinitely.

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Wakarimasen* these 3 to 5 day lockdowns have been called ‘circuit breakers’ and seem to work rather well. If you are gunna do something , you go in hard, fast and with full conviction. Half measures lead to half results. Then you can go back to business as usual knowing that it’s done.

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@Dothe hustle

You don’t think that all of these 10.000 people die every week, right?

You understand that almost every week everyone recovers.

And you understand that 10.000 cases every week in a population from 126.000.000 are just 0.007%.

And...free to do what you want to do, doesn’t mean that people are walking around and coughing in everyone’s face.

In Japan, people are free to do what they want to do and almost everyone do that with best personal prevention.

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 "be part of the Australian way of life until everyone is vaccinated"

Very loose with her wording.What if everyone doesn't want to be jabbed up?

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Very loose with her wording.What if everyone doesn't want to be jabbed up

2 Options:

Option 1: Make the vaccination mandatory.

Option 2: Conduct Lockdowns until the end of the world.

Both options will be a big problem for the population.

I have an option 3: (My personal best option)

Let the people live their lives, but sensitize them how to do best personal preventions.

And of course roll out the vaccines.

But just to the people who want to get it.

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However, the country's vaccine rollout has been sluggish, with just over 500,000 shots administered so far in a country of 25 million

Really? That's sluggish? They vaccinated 259,000 in 1 week. Anything but sluggish for a country with essentially no COVID. But you know what other 1st world countries are sluggish? Those that administered 820,000 shots for a population of 135,000 while starting earlier.

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Let the people live their lives, but sensitize them how to do best personal preventions.

Sensitize them? What does that even mean?

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oh no briz vegas....

Brizvegas and Rockvegas are my two favorite places in Aus.

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Luckily it takes around 3 days to become infected and up to two weeks to become sick.

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One interesting thing here at JT is news about Australia comes up really quick.

As a resident of Brisbane I will follow the directions of the government who has been able to surpassed Covid-19.

I am very happy to live in Japan where I am free to do whatever I want to.

Different governments over the world has different strategies against Covid-19. Japan does it the Japanese way and Australia does it the Australian way. By the way, I am glad you are happy, mate.

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yoshisan88

Different governments over the world has different strategies against Covid-19. Japan does 

That is correct, and there is no correlation between Corona outcomes and the various govt policies.

Govnts have just been pulling arbitrary rules out of thin air, fundamentally enjoying an excuse to try increasing authoritarianism.

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Sensitize them? What does that even mean?

Sorry, Maybe my english word is wrong...I mean to make the people more sensitive about personal preventions.

Like wearing masks, use hand sanitizers, keep social distance where it is possible, who can go should go to home office...such things...I mean...

Because in many western countries, people don't follow these basic rules.

If people follow these basic rules, a lockdown is not necessary.

And anyway a lockdown makes no sense because it is just a temporary help. After open everything again, the Virus comes back again.

Therefore my 2 options: Vaccine mandatory or lockdown forever....both will end up in big riots within the population.

Therefore I recommend my personal Option 3.

Same what almost everyone in Japan is doing...and it seems very successful.

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And that is exactly why Japan still has over ten thousand new cases every week. You are free to contract and spread the virus. "

Agreed and thats with the infamous 3rd world level of testing here.

They vaccinated 259,000 in 1 week. Anything but sluggish for a country with essentially no COVID. But you know what other 1st world countries are sluggish? Those that administered 820,000 shots for a population of 135 million. 

Yep, indeed even if Aus rollout is slow they can afford it as the number of cases pales in comparison to most other countries including Japan. Aus/ NZ model works.

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If people follow these basic rules, a lockdown is not necessary

Which means obviously that if people do not follow the rules then a lockdown becomes necessary. Locks and thieves.

And anyway a lockdown makes no sense because it is just a temporary help. After open everything again, the Virus comes back again.

That is not a problem, because the purpose of a lockdown is not to eradicate the infections forever in the universe as you apparently think. The purpose is to lower the transmission to much more manageable levels so health services are not overrun with cases and other more permanent solutions (like vaccination) can be put in order without having unnecessary deaths.

Your option 3 depends on something that has not been effective. So it is a solution that has no value. If it was possible it would have been enough to control the spreading on the first place.

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@Virusrex

What do you recommend?

Option 1 or Option 2?

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@Virusrex

One more thing:

You said vaccine is a permanent solution.

You know I am a Pro Vaxer, but can we go back to our normal life after we got the vaccine?

I mean can we throw away our masks, no need hand sanitizers anymore, go back to izakaya, clubbing and dancing like before, no need to worry about social distance.

No need to worry about the Corona Virus anymore, and go back to our full normal life?

Can we do that after we got the vaccine?

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Therefore I recommend my personal Option 3.

Same what almost everyone in Japan is doing...and it seems very successful.

I think that is the only sensible option. And it seems it is what most Japanese had already been doing, albeit to a lesser extent, at every flu season.

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But according to Australian news, they are all gung ho, go Olympics, world virus victory with daily 300-400 cases every day in Tokyo, something they would never accept anywhere and would cause far more than a 3 day lockdown

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Can we do that after we got the vaccine?

In a year or two, after herd immunity, SARS-CoV-2 will just be the same as seasonal influenza.

however, probably a new form of bird flu will present.

main problems is physical and psychological effects of lockdowns.

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MontyToday  11:16 am JST

@Dothe hustle

You don’t think that all of these 10.000 people die every week, right?

You understand that almost every week everyone recovers.

** *No they don't *and the stats are available to prove this. Approximately 20% of previously healthly 18-35 year olds who had COVID experienced long term symptoms, often multiple. These often persist for weeks or months after infection. These symptoms include, fatigue , cough, congestion or shortness of breath, loss of taste or smell, headache, body aches, diarrhea, nausea, chest or abdominal pain, confusion

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update-36-long-term-symptoms.pdf?sfvrsn=5d3789a6_2

People seem to get better over time but this isn't the 'flu and the effects on individuals are markedly different.

A good candidate to compare COVID to is SARS. Although COVID doesnt appear to be as severe as SARS, 40% of those infected with SARS still had chronic fatigue symtoms 3.5 years later. It does, however, spread significantly facter than SARS.

And this is where we step into the unknown. Covid has been around such a short time that we just don't know the long term effects. Blase attitudes to infection control, vaccines etc just mean that more people get infected, and spin that big roulette wheel to gamble with their health in the long term.

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"Schools, restaurants and bars will close from 5 p.m."

The virus does not respect the clock. I guess the virus only comes out after 5pm. Right?

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@Himari

That means they will close from 5pm today as part of the lockdown. Not 5pm everyday..

The virus is the UK variant, highly contagious, so a snap lockdown is the way to go. Some may think an overreaction bit what is the alternative? Cross fingers and hope for the best?

We’ve been quite successful, not relatively JT.

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Sigh...

@Himari

I don’t know why 5pm, perhaps to give kids/teachers time to finish classes close schools and business to shut up shop for the next 3 days? Hmm?

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"We’ve been quite successful, "

and that is why you are in lockdown. Ok

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@Virusrex

What do you recommend?

Option 1 or Option 2?

Why don't you listen to the recommendation of the experts? they have data and experience to justify their professional opinions, and it is extremely rare they recommend things without value.

One more thing:

You said vaccine is a permanent solution.

You know I am a Pro Vaxer, but can we go back to our normal life after we got the vaccine?

I said a more permanent solution, because it is more likely to be useful for a longer time until we can go back closer to normality. With good luck (and cooperation) the current vaccines will be it, interrupting the transmission with enough efficacy to make the appearance of new variants not possible and eventually reaching a point where the risk from COVID-19 is not greater than the usual infectious respiratory diseases. On the other hand this result may depend on better vaccines, or treatments, or even the adaptation of the pathogen. The important point is that the investment in immunizing the population is much less intensive compared with lockdowns, so if it is effective enough to replace them it will.

I think that is the only sensible option. And it seems it is what most Japanese had already been doing, albeit to a lesser extent, at every flu season.

That is the problem with actively ignoring science and the opinion of experts, anything that you would like to do automatically becomes the only sensible option to you, even if it runs contrary to what is actually the best option.

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@Himari

I’m not going to get in a slanging match but I’d say we’ve been successful because of lockdowns. The numbers don’t lie.

Granted the economy has taken a hit but better than the alternative.

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What is "the alternative"?

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AustPaul

I’m not going to get in a slanging match but I’d say we’ve been successful because of lockdowns. The numbers don’t lie.

Granted the economy has taken a hit but better than the alternative.

Actually, the numbers do not support the lockdowns. What is the "alternative" that you imagine?

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@Zap

The alternative? It’s quite clear but no lockdowns and a variant which is much more transmissible getting out into the community? Infections spiralling and putting a strain on the health system?

Lockdowns and an effective contact tracing system as well as caps on international arrivals to be specific I’d say has had an affect.

Oh and I’ve worked the frontline so I think I can offer a decent opinion.

Where might you be?

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We’ve been quite successful, "

and that is why you are in lockdown. Ok.

Australia has been successful because of the quick & sharp lockdowns. Quick & sharp" might be a difficult concept to grasp for the snails that are in charge here. LDP oyajis need at least a few weeks of meetings before a half baked " solution" is presented in this "advanced country.

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