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Yosh ! Americans kick ass on the high seas ! Now if the rest of the planet took Somali pirates as seriously as the US there wouldn't be a problem. From here on out when you see these second rate thugs... shoot first- ask questions later ! Well done US !

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Speaking from the pirate hub, Eyl

the pirate den of Gaan, a central Somali town

Blast them to rubble!!!

Round up a few pirates and threaten to send them to Guantanamo unless their buddies pay up.

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Wonder where I can make a donation to the anti-pirate fund???

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Should read "Somali pirates vow retaliation after US murders their comrades in cold blood".

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“From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them,” Habeb said. “Now they became our number one enemy,” he said of U.S. forces.

Sounds like a declaration of war to me. Wait for heavy weather, send in the F18s and sink them all in port.

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For those out there, that re super sensitive, and/or are bleeding hearts, you've got to relize tht the more pirates that are killed, the less stomach they will have to engage in their illegal activities. They are disrupting commerce, and are engaged in kidnapping, and sometimes murder. A violent death is what these vermin deserve.

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Tax the ships and there will be no pirates.

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Heh. How does it go again, oh yeah....."Bring it on!".

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Should read "Somali pirates vow retaliation after US murders their comrades in cold blood".

Really? So hijacking a ship with weapons and then threatening to kill an innocent man leaves one with "cold blood"? What planet are you from?

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“Now they became our number one enemy,” he said of U.S. forces.

We're number 1!, We're number 1!

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Den Den

Tax them for what? Navigating through international waters? Get real.

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Navy snipers already taxed em.

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“In the future, America will be the one mourning and crying,” he told The Associated Press by telephone. “We will retaliate for the killings of our men.”

Maybe the Somali pirates are going to carry out attacks on domestic U.S. targets next - like the tug boat ride at Disneyland!

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Should read "Somali pirates vow retaliation after US murders their comrades in cold blood".

Should read "Somali pirates vow retaliation after US kills the first of a long line of dumb idiots with AK-47's taking on USN ships"

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One pirate vowed the events would not stop them from targeting more ships.

Let this be a warning: If your going to sail thru those waters, you either provide for your own safety or take your chances.

All replies to ransom requests will be returned via US Seal Team.

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Tax ships on the open seas, in international waters? Do you really mean that any country shuld be allowed tax vessels in international waters adjcent to their coastlines? You have to be kidding!!!

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Enough with the chest thumping, the US Navy won this round and should be congratulated but this issue is far from over. I know it is easy to wrap yourself in the flag while sitting in the comfort of your home, but spar a thought for those merchant mariners and sailors who are potentially going to be put in harms way.

With regard to how the US should handle this, this little victory on the high seas has given the good guys some momentum (if even for a little while). The US (and other countries who are willing) should now prosecute operations as aggressively as possible. Put recon teams ashore in Somalia. Set up a free fire zone stretching from about 5km from the Somali coast. Fisherman can fish the shallows, any suspicious ships that go beyond 5 km should be confronted and sunk where proven they are pirate ships. The US Navy might also consider tracking these pirate ships to their home ports (or ratholes). Once such locations have been defined. They should carry out a series of strikes. The first one with "get out of town" propaganda. The second strike should be real, carpet bombing 21st Century style. Somebody above also mentioned Gitmo. Far enough. "Render these guys axses to Gitmo or worse.

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Why in the world should the ships have to pay taxes for sailing in international waters? Had the pirates found an honest means of employment, then maybe they would still be alive. I'm sure they knew the risks of their actions.

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Somali pirates vow retaliation after captain freed

America's naked, unprovoked aggression shall not go unavenged.

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Nessie, please tell me that was retorical.

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I say, some new business has just opened up for Blackwater. Start putting those guys on the merchant ships as guards.

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Interesting that the pirates make no mention of France, which has been much more aggressive in storming vessels held for ransom and killing/capturing pirates during the past few months.

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“We will retaliate for the killings of our men.”

Arrr ... smart move, matey. The U.S. military can always use the target practice.

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Sarcastic, actually, Techall.

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This is exactly what i've been waiting for, the last few days I was thinking, if they could get a clear shot with some snipers take em all out at once.

The US pays you ransom, except they don't pay you money, they pay you with lead.

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lurker

Interesting that the pirates make no mention of France, which has been much more aggressive in storming vessels...

Or the Indian Navy. Oh that's right, that was an innocent fishing boat they toasted... : P

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"the pirate den of Gaan"

"the pirate hub Ely"

What's up with all these pirate hangouts?

"This will be a good lesson for us"

I doubt it - he's talking about retaliation, the idiot.

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The Snipers did a good job. Seals are cool !!!!!

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Wow, they weren't bluffing. The pirates just mortar attacked a US congressman after arriving in Mogadishu.

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Sunni Muslim Pirates of Somali are just looking for an excuse to justify a jihad against the USA. Funny these hypocritical cultures think it's ok to take over merchant vessels with arms and threaten death but when one of them is targeted then the world will have h*ll to pay. And funny thing is that world is usually the USA, the worlds whore for all to use and abuse and blame all problems on. What else can we expect from these 'cultures'? Well in the spirit of a rightie, "Bring it on". The rest of you can go cower in the corner.

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sharky1 at 04:05 PM JST - 13th April “Wonder where I can make a donation to the anti-pirate fund???”

Are we to take it that as an act of kindness & generosity you want to make a blood donation to these pirates, perhaps in an effort to compensate for the over reaction of the US?

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toguro at 04:10 PM JST - 13th April

They have so far killed one man out of all those that have been kidnapped & we really don’t know that happened. That is a very good record for not killing & doesn’t justify you calling them murderers does it? Whatever else they may be they did try to avoid killing, though may well change now.

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I find it strange that you American patriots are so proud of your snipers who kill from a distance while not living any credit to the French who really do get in close.

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lets keep on chest thumbing but lets brace for the worst.we could have chose other options.now we have told them we are merciless and they will also be merciless.put your shoes in any of the 200 hostages been held and you will realise ,killing them was not the right option

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"Whatever else they may be they did try to avoid killing, though may well change now."

I'm sorry, but it's rather hard to muster much sympathy or understanding for a group that brazenly disregards international law by STEALING goods that don't belong to them, including humanitarian aid, and KIDNAPPING for ransom in order to fund more STEALING and KIDNAPPING. And it's not as if they're pouring their ill-gotten wealth into the communities that will in all likelihood take the brunt of a military reaction to their predations. They funnel the money gained right back into their own operations.

That they haven't taken to wholesale killing in order to acheive their goals of leeching off the work and efforts of others is purely incidental, and in no way lessens the severity of the methods they employ when taking ships, which include firing upon vessels with assault rifles, rockets, and implied threats of murder.

Like the bank robber who pulls a gun on a teller but doesn't actually fire unless provoked, so too do these pirates need to be dealt with as the danger they truly are. And if that involves killing some or all of them in order to make the attacks stop - since asking them nicely to stop hasn't seemed to work - then so be it.

I honestly hope the pirates quickly step up to the plate and try their mettle against the combined military assets arrayed against them in the Indian Ocean. Then maybe we can be done with this sooner than later and get back to the business of repairing the world economy by ensuring safe and unrestricted trade through one of the busiest waterways in the world.

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More self-interest on the part of the US that does not give a damn about what consequences will stem from their actions. I give credit to the crew of the cargo ship for fighting back, though they were more than a little naive when they handed over their hostage for the captain without getting the captain first. But just where is the heroic action on the part of the US navy, a warship against a fuel-less little boat with four lightly armed men. They could have rammed the little boat knowing that not even pirates are dumb enough to try swimming with a gun. But no, better to shot them dead.

As for the reaction of the pirates, at first I thought it a little strange that they were so up in arms against the US while not seeming to be too worried about the French, but then the French did fight them up close, where as the Americans, as someone above said, shot them from a safe distance. So very heroic.

Well the Rubicon has now been crossed & we can be sure that this is the beginning of the killing, not the end. It’s just a shame that there are over 200 hostages already held with their none-American necks already on the block. But then why should that worry the American flag wavers here, only American lives count, anybody else is just more collateral damage.

Now that the US has upped the stakes for everybody involved I just hope that they follow through rather than just fail away. This was dangerous before, now it is very dangerous. It would seem that more people were killed in Mogadishu because somebody fired & missed congressman Payne. Whatever the US do they always seem to leave innocent dead behind.

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Whatever the methods, French or American, dead pirates is dead pirates. The French did loose one hostage though.

If you look at the hijacking of food aid and the long civil war in Solmalia you realize that the hoodlums have taken over. There really isn't any way to deal with these people other than to fight fire with fire.

What I can't believe is the people lining up here to defend the pirates as though they were just spoiled children who made a mess. Or a guy who thinks that you can ram a life boat with a destroyer and not kill everybody in the life boat. Fighting up close is more honorable than shooting at 20 yards? Get a life, the point is to take out the criminals w/o hurting the hostage. This isn't tiddly winks. The pirate scum got what they deserved.

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The pirates are talking about the French now. I can't imagine that there's one centralized pirate structure that talks for everyone. The comments were most likely said by one of the crew of the pirates who were just killed. So naturally his comments are going to be about the US.

grafton, I really don't know what you're upset about. It's hard to make sense of your last post.

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bishamonten: You just said yourself that they killed one out of all those they have taken, isn't that murder? Unless the hostage asked to be taken, and asked the pirates to assist in his death. And if they re trying to avoid killing so much, then why are they boarding the ships with AK-47's instead of roses. You can't be that naïve. Although your other point is well taken, Viva La France!!!

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ca1c0cat: you are right on with tht one. It's amazing how these bleeding hearts always want to blame the victims, and not the perpetrators. The pirates positioned themselves to be killed. If you bleeding hearts don't like it, then dip into your bank accounts, and pay off the pirates.

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ca1ic0cat at 03:17 AM JST - 14th April

“Get a life, the point is to take out the criminals w/o hurting the hostage”

I agree, now try to think what it was I was really saying. Try this for example, read most of the above posts that talk as though the US navy snipers are heroes, they are not, they are good shots & they did well in what they were set to do. Also was the US right to take the action they took? Time will tell.

SuperLib at 03:32 AM JST - 14th April

“grafton, I really don't know what you're upset about. It's hard to make sense of your last post.”

America has just killed 3 men that they very likely didn’t need to kill to save one man. Were the 3 men bad guys? Yes they were pirates & criminals with guns in their hands. Now we will have to wait & see if that one American life that was saved is going to cost many more lives of none-Americans. To you, an American this very probably isn’t important, to those of us that are not American it is. The safe distance thing wasn’t so much what I though as something I could understand the pirates thinking, being shot like a dog from a distance is, for the victim, no different than being shot up close. You are still dead. But friends & family might not see it that way, which is what I think might be happening.

What I am upset about is that now that there are no American lives at risk the US navy will sail back out to sea leaving 200 none American is far greater peril than they were in before that one American was saved. Is asking you to think as a human being first & an American second asking really that much?

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Grafton...looks like you don't have a clue...the pirates clearly stated that they will be harsher on US and French sailors that they take hostage. You statement lacks logic and support.

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sharky1 at 04:05 PM JST - 13th April “Wonder where I can make a donation to the anti-pirate fund???”

Are we to take it that as an act of kindness & generosity you want to make a blood donation to these pirates, perhaps in an effort to compensate for the over reaction of the US?

Are you daft??? Donating to the ANTI-PIRATE FUND is not supporting pirates. Learn to read, or go post elswhere.

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sharky1 at 04:52 AM JST - 14th April

“the pirates clearly stated that they will be harsher on US and French sailors”

The pirates are a bunch of uneducated fishermen that most Americans here simply want shot dead & now you are saying that I lack logic. Fine shoot as many as you want & in the process put as many sailors (of any nationality) at risk as you want, because you really don’t seem to care too much about the people that are being put at greater risk.

The pirates need stopping, I agree with shooting them, BUT NOT when they are holding hostages that they can then take revenge on. The US today thought about one man, because he is an American & they have put all other hostages in greater danger for that one man, or is for Americas pride? I am not sure who you are addressing in your other post but I might ask you to be a little more civil with all the posters here or post else where. If you are just a little over sensitive about being American then maybe coming on to a site where none Americans might be critical of some of your countries actions might not be a good idea. Though “daft” is a very British word so I could be wrong about your nationality, though not your temprement.

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"America has just killed three men that they very likely didn't need to kill"

Unfortuately, America does not yet possess phasers set on heavy stun.

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grafton: The pirates are a bunch of uneducated fishermen

Awww...now I actually feel sorry for them. Before they were guys with AK-47s kidnapping innocents. But after your enlightening post I'm suddenly overcome with sympathy. Poor lil' guys.

most Americans here simply want shot dead

Actually I think just about everyone here from all countries wanted them shot dead. The fact that you single out Americans shows your obsession, wouldn't you agree?

What I am upset about is that now that there are no American lives at risk the US navy will sail back out to sea leaving 200 none American is far greater peril than they were in before that one American was saved.

And I guess we would have been better off with 210 (or whatever the number would have been) lives at risk, including Americans? Then tomorrow the number is what....225? Then 250? You don't think the other lives are more at risk. You're just angry that a really rich country with superior weapons killed "uneducated fisherman." That's what it really boils down to.

most of the above posts that talk as though the US navy snipers are heroes

They are heroes. Can YOU imagine sitting on a ship in the middle of the ocean and given the responsibility of protecting an innocent human life? You could so easily handle the mental weight of that situation, knowing that any mistakes could result in that person getting killed? Imagine someone coming up to you and asking you if you're willing to take on that kind of responsibility. Personally, I doubt I'd do it. I'd hope that someone else would step up and do it for me if I had the choice. And those people are SEALS. They volunteered to put themselves in that situation while you and I watched TV last night. A family got one of their members because because these people volunteered to help. Maybe you should tell his family that you don't think they're heroes.

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bishamonten: I'm quite sure that those Navy SEALS wish they had the courage you do, oh wait, they were actually there at the action while you are safe at your keyboard crying the blues. Poor Poor bishamonten. You're actually worse than the pirates, as I'm sure they would have no compassion for you, just in case you were ever fortunate enough to become one of their hostages. We could only hope.

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grafton

Let's get something very clear. Task Force 51/59, the coalition of multi-national naval assets on patrol off the Horn of Africa, are not there to safeguard the lives of the 200 plus hostages that are already in pirate custody or to negotiate or in any way affect their release/rescue. The ships are there to prevent further hijackings of commercial vessels and the taking of further hostages. In this case we found ourselves in a situation in which we could take decisive action to save the life of a particular hostage. The lives of previously taken hostages (of any nationality) located god knows where should never have been factored into the decision to fire on these specific pirates.

You want to try and convince me that had the hijacked freighter been flying the Union Jack, the hostage a Brit and the navy the British Navy (or any other nationality for that matter) they would have acted differently? That they would have been willing to sacrifice the hostage in front of them out of concern for previously taken hostages or possible escallation in piracy? GOOD LUCK. I can only imagine the condemnation you would have expressed here of the US Navy had we not stopped these pirates from executing their hostage like they were about to...

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grafton,

"They could have rammed the little boat knowing that not even pirates are dumb enough to try swimming with a gun."

And that would have prevented the pirates from simply killing their hostages outright for what reason exactly? This ridiculous pretense that these pirates are kindly souls with no intention of hurting the hostages blatantly ignores the fact that the very power inherent in holding people hostage is the implied threat of violence or death unless the hostage takers’ demands are met. By taking hostages in the first place, the violent intent of the pirates is a foregone conclusion.

Ramming the pirates’ boat would have sent the exact same message that the pirates have been counting on since they began stealing goods and lives – namely that no one has the stones to stand up to them. Bullying at an international level. It needs to stop, and it needs to stop now.

This situation never should have been allowed to get to the point where 200 hostages were taken in the first place and it absolutely baffles me that the international community allowed the it to progress to this point without lifting a finger. It is precisely because of this kid's-glove approach taken by the international community over the past few years that this has gotten to the untenable point that it has.

" . . . only American lives count, anybody else is just more collateral damage."

And the French. Don't forget to wave your "appeasement is good" flag in front of the French as well.

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"The pirates are a bunch of uneducated fishermen..."

Yes, uneducated fishermen who have thus far attacked 50 vessels, seized a dozen ships, and captured more than 230 hostages, using speed boats, AK-47s and rocket propelled grenades. Yes, simple fishermen indeed.

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Utterly amazing that certain are defending the pirates.

Grafton, they said they would kill the captain if attempts were made to rescue him. They deserved what they got, and should be thankful is was swift and surgical.

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Who would want to defend the pirates? I mean so what if they were aged 16 to 19 years old, yanked up to with in pitching distance of the warship and summarily executed by three crack killers from the US armed forces.

In the old days they were at least given a trial before facing the executioners. But there you go we are now all apparently under the watch of the new world order. If Prez Obama tried a little harder he could probably walk like Prez Bush, he can certainly talk the talk. Surprising how little has changed under this 'new' administration.

At least Prez Obama has proven his mettle. He can order the killing of any little man he likes. All he needs now is the half gallon hat.

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"In the old days they were at least given a trial before facing the executioners. But there you go we are now all apparently under the watch of the new world order."

No, in the old days they were followed inland and dealt with. They pirated a boat and took a hostage at gun-point, for several days.

Go anywhere in the civilized world and kidnap someone in broad daylight with an assault rifle, Taniwha, and watch what happens next......the same thing would more than likely happen to you for this kind of serious crime.

They didn't have to die, they had days to turn themselves over....instead they spent the captains time in captivity attempting to secure monies in reward for their crimes, whilst threatening to execute Mr Phillips if a rescue operation began.

I can't believe you're defending people like this.

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'No, in the old days they were followed inland and dealt with.' Reactionary and meaningless, but then so was my throw-a-way 'old days'. No, pirates were put on trial, maybe they were taken back to England for the even in leg irons, or maybe it was Jamaica, or somewhere else closer to their point of capture.

My point is this. Governments prosecuted pirates forcefully, yes, but with an attempt at least to act within the law. In this day and age it seems, criminals are simply stomped on. What I am defending here is not crime, it is law.

Prez Obama has proven himself and his administration to be entirely no different in direction to the predecessor. Prez Bush when had the enemy in Iraq executed, and in the case of a few even went so far as to have their dead bodies displayed on evening TV across the civilized world. Prez Obama may posture as something more sophisticated, but he is not. He is exactly and entirely the same in purpose.

The first US ship to be attacked by pirates results in government ordered killings. Welcome back to the new order of the Prez Bush administration - which point of fact was never replaced by anything different as it will become increasingly clear to even the most ideologically blinded of Democrat supporters as the months roll by.

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"but with an attempt at least to act within the law. In this day and age it seems, criminals are simply stomped on"

And so they should be. Are you going to make a case for their innocence, Taniwha? They were proven to be bandits, on the high seas and all that, and had threatened Captain Phillips with execution if ther demands weren't met....

They had no qualms about taking on the entire US Navy, heh, all four of them. That cheek on its own shows the need to stomp on them.

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Madverts.

Let me paraphrase you then. Criminals should be summarily executed without trial, simply because they are criminals. Let's not forget although they wanted big buckaroos and kidnapped a captain, the only people injured or killed were themselves, they didn't get a dollar, and the captain was returned, stressed but apparently okay.

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"Let me paraphrase you then. Criminals should be summarily executed without trial, simply because they are criminals."

Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. You ignored my earlier suggestion that kidnapping with assault rifles would lead to a similar conclusion anywhere else in the civilized world.

It's simple. If you put yourself in the position of the pirates, expect to be shot yourself.

No.4 pirate will be ok though. American tax-payers will be paying for his incarceration for the next 30 or so years....

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Also Taniwha, what are your thoughts on the French position?

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taniwha

If you had been the captain of the Bainbridge, Captain Phillips would have been shot dead by his captors because the SEALs weren't permitted by you to save his life, and the pirate may or may not be in custody to stand trial. That's somehow better in your opinion? The pirates were not 'summarily executed' as you say; they were shot while still carrying out their crimes. Besides, you can't execute someone who isn't in custody. If you're going to blame anyone blame the pirates. After all they're the ones that didn't give us the chance to take them to trial despite repeated offers to grant them the opportunity for due process... : O

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The pirates took two more in the last 24 hours. Great job guys with big guns.

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Oh no 2 more? Lets just give into them now and pay up. We'll be paying for the rest of our lives. Maybe since it's profitable you should consider this line of work. Good Luck.

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Den Den

And what flag were those two captured ships flying? That's right, not the US flag. Come back when they hijack the next American ship...

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Wow what simplicity of thought? I take it this is something to do with the Bush education system, the “for us or against us” idea. Then again it could be a degree of general illiteracy. Maybe if my previous posts were re-read somebody could highlight a point where I have anything good or defensive to say about pirates. Given that there is not much chance of that I suppose we need to look for other reasons for the sudden outbreak of anti-grafton posts.

I accept that the pirates are bad people, they need shooting & I have no qualms about that so long as doing so doesn’t put others at risk. I will leave this as a separate paragraph so as not to confuse people that confuse easily.

I have not defended the pirates, I have been critical of the US & how they dealt with the pirates. In the last years the pirates have kidnapped & held hostage hundreds of merchant seamen & in all that time they have killed one man, but even then there seems to be some mystery about how this happened. The US navy got in close for the first time this last week & we now have 3 dead pirates. No, I do not care that the pirates are dead, they deserve to be dead & the risk of being killed should have been part of their job description. But do none of you find it at all strange that as soon as the US arrive people get killed at a much higher rate than before? It would seem that Americans kill first & then try to deal with the consequences of killing afterwards. And no, I do not consider snipers heroes, very professional yes & as such I will respect them for that.

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grafton

But do none of you find it at all strange that as soon as the US arrive people get killed at a much higher rate than before?

As opposed to other nationalities (French and Indian excluded) that show up (if they do), do nothing, and no one (especially the pirates) gets killed, and the problem persists and the situation remains the same or worse.

It would seem that Americans kill first & then try to deal with the consequences of killing afterwards.

Killing these pirates first will force the next set of pirates to think twice when comfronted with a possible target ship flying the US flag. Just heard about another US shipped that was approached/attacked by pirates last night but was not boarded and the pirates aborted their attempt to hijack her. You would probably say it was coincidence where as I believe it's effective deterrence.

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Why all the commercial ships have to go through this way?

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SaitamaGaijin

Shipping between Europe and Asia use the Suez Canal and must sail through the Gulf of Adan and pass the Horn of Africa. The only alternate shipping route is around the entire African continent at considerable additional cost/time.

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Considering the age of the pirates it is a sad issue, but many of the "pay them don't kill them" folks seem to forget that a)These poor boys come from a country that doesn't have those wonderful rules and secure government that they do. b)The main bad guy is probably a lot smarter and older than them and sends them out to do the dirty work...if they come back alive at all. c)not every country that is adressing the piracy problem is gonna try to grab the pirates with soft cuddly hands and slap them on the wrist when they feel their interests are threatened.

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Why have we allowed these guys to become a problem?

Remember the maxim:

"The time to take care of a problem is before it becomes a problem." -Lao Tzu or Al Capone (I can't remember which one right now.)

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DenDen: There you go crying again. At least it wasn't an American ship which is the responsibility of the American military, to protect it's citizens. Keep up the crying thought, it's giving me good laughs. :-D

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I say the US should use the coast of Somalia as a training ground for the SF and SEALS. They attack a ship, and they get what the deserve. Dead thieves are good thieves. As the bodies pile up, they'll start thinking, "maybe this isn't a good idea".

Ciao

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