Sparks fly as Orban berates EU 'elites' in parliament trip

A new law has come into force in Hungary which threatens to push thousands of Ukrainian refugees on to the streets or back to Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg2jxjd7r7o

Viktor and Donald - both Putin fanboys...

Put all three of them together and you might get a cumulative IQ of 50....maybe...

Viktor Orban suspends support for Ukraine refugees. It will make them homeless and on the streets.

"You'll never, ever hear old Orban berating his paymasters - Communist China. At this point he is the PRCs mouthpiece in Europe."

Reliable proof for this piece of info?

Look up something known as Communist China's Belt and Road Scam. Old Orban is the only European to have signed up to this scam. If you support this, support Communist China and their authoritarianism, I guess you can turn a blind eye to anything.

Yes. Orban is Communist Chinas proxy in Europe.

Those who support Orban support the CCP.

Viktor Orban is a small fish in a big pond.

He can be whatever he wants to be.

He must follow the laws and rules of both the EU and NATO.

BanthuToday 07:05 am JST

Europe is not a conglomerate blob.

It is a mix of unique and distinct cultures, each of which should be preserved and respected.

"Europe" isn't a conglomerate, but the EU is. And if Orbán wants to be part of the EU and receive its money, he must abide by its principles and laws. He does not, and that's why his money is rightly being withheld.

Hungary is free to leave the EU, but Orbán wants the money and the publicity. He is an attention-seeking paper tiger, and he backs down pretty quick when things get tough. Like when he scurried out of the room last year during the Ukraine membership vote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67735680

And vetoed the aid package for show, only to later fold:

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-gets-eu-aid-as-orban-folds/

This latest proclamation is more of the same: cheerleading for his Kremlin/Beijing friends to receive their money/support, but not pushing things so far that he has to leave the EU, which -- as he knows -- would be utterly disastrous for him.

Reliable proof for this piece of info?

That's billionaire level rich coming from someone who continually claims that Russia is close to taking Ukraine, honest guv., would I lie to you?

The majority of refugees are Ukrainians. Most migrants do not go there. Orban will allow Russians to enter Hungary allowing them access to the EU.

The fallout from a policy that grants Russians and Belarusians fast-track access to the European Union could threaten Hungary's Schengen membership.

A lot of us suspected all along you are very pro-CCP - just like old man Orban is.

Orban is Communist China's proxy in Europe.

Unlikely he thinks that far ahead. It's more likely much simpler.

Trump likes fascist strongmen because he dreams of being one.

Trump perceives Orban as a fascist strongman.

Ergo, he likes Orban.

Ergo, I like Orban.

What do they say? A country gets the leader it deserves.

On the hot-button issue of migration, Orban -- whose government is threatening to bus asylum seekers to Brussels in protest at EU refugee policies

Old man Orban is all talk.

Hungary has zero authority to detain anyone on a bus - or elsewhere - once they have left Hungarian territory.

The majority of Hungarians support being an EU member and receiving billions in support.

Not according to political experts.

These same experts also said that the Right would never come to power, so I take that with a grain of salt.

No. But their opinion will be more accurate than yours.

I doubt it

BanthuToday 07:05 am JST

It is a mix of unique and distinct cultures, each of which should be preserved and respected.

But needs to have the military capability to throw back savages, which it totally can do.

bass4funk

How many Hungarians support Orban?

Enough that they don't want their country to be like Western Europe

The majority of Hungarians support being an EU member and receiving billions in support.

Not according to political experts.

These same experts also said that the Right would never come to power, so I take that with a grain of salt.

No. But their opinion will be more accurate than yours.

JJEToday 07:39 am JST

And the negotiated terms, if and when they happen, will be dictated by the side not heading for defeat.

Then it is not a negotiation and the zinc coffins continue.

Ukraine - what is left of it - joining NATO just simply won't happen.

Orban and Fico both understand this - suspect others do but can't say it out loud.

Moscow won't allow it, and adventurism by that expansionist bloc is a prime reason for the SMO is the first place.

A truncated Ukraine rump state that is a neutralist buffer, also demilitarized, denazified and respects minority cultural/language rights, is the only way out of this.

You don't have the bodies to pay for your wishlist.

Otherwise, the SMO will roll on until this happens.

And that is why we say that Putin has to be defeated on the battlefield.

The Hungarian premier also warned that if Trump wins re-election, Europe should be ready for him to start efforts to end the Ukraine war before his inauguration in January.

Jumping the gun much?

"If you cannot win on the battlefield -- you have to communicate, you have to negotiate, you have to have a ceasefire."

You don't have negotiate an unconditional ceasefire. You have to bring beaten dog Putin to the other side.

> How many Hungarians support Orban?

Enough that they don't want their country to be like Western Europe

Not according to political experts.

These same experts also said that the Right would never come to power, so I take that with a grain of salt.

The Hungarians voted in the EU elections with the Orban party receiving only 44% of the votes compared with 52% last time.

bass4funk

How many Hungarians support Orban?

A lot.

44% in the recent elections.

"Despite receiving 44% of the vote and electing 11 members to the European Parliament, Orban's populist party faced its worst election result in nearly two decades, both nationally and within the EU, as it received 52% of the vote in the previous EU elections in 2022."

So who was polled, what age groups, how many?

What are you talking about? The election results speak for themselves. Time for a coffee.

Orban’s government is destined to fail in the future.

Oh, I doubt that very much.

Not according to political experts.

How many Hungarians support Orban?

A lot.

"Despite receiving 44% of the vote and electing 11 members to the European Parliament, Orban's populist party faced its worst election result in nearly two decades, both nationally and within the EU, as it received 52% of the vote in the previous EU elections in 2022."

So who was polled, what age groups, how many?

Orban’s government is destined to fail in the future.

Oh, I doubt that very much.

How many Hungarians support Orban?

"Despite receiving 44% of the vote and electing 11 members to the European Parliament, Orban's populist party faced its worst election result in nearly two decades, both nationally and within the EU, as it received 52% of the vote in the previous EU elections in 2022."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/hungary-s-viktor-orban-wins-eu-election-loses-major-support/3245665

Orban’s government is destined to fail in the future.

If this guy were American and running for office I’d vote for him in a minute.

JJE

Ukraine - what is left of it - joining NATO just simply won't happen.

Orban and Fico both understand this - suspect others do but can't say it out loud.

Moscow won't allow it, and adventurism by that expansionist bloc is a prime reason for the SMO is the first place.

The has been absolutely no expansion from NATO nations. Joining an alliance is a defense arrangement, it isn't expansion.

The only expansion has been from Russia to Georgia and Ukraine.

A truncated Ukraine rump state that is a neutralist buffer, also demilitarized, denazified and respects minority cultural/language rights, is the only way out of this.

Ukraine will never be demilitarized. Putin has ensured that. (And don't even bring up the denazified pretense.)

Otherwise, the SMO will roll on until this happens.

And Russia collapses in a year or so...

Otherwise, the SMO will roll on until this happens.

And those hundreds of thousands of foolish Russian suckers will continue to be zipped up in those bags.

Ukraine - what is left of it - joining NATO just simply won't happen.

Orban and Fico both understand this - suspect others do but can't say it out loud.

Moscow won't allow it, and adventurism by that expansionist bloc is a prime reason for the SMO is the first place.

A truncated Ukraine rump state that is a neutralist buffer, also demilitarized, denazified and respects minority cultural/language rights, is the only way out of this.

Otherwise, the SMO will roll on until this happens.

JJE

*"If you cannot win on the battlefield -- you have to communicate, you have to negotiate, you have to have a ceasefire."*

He is absolutely right there.

And the negotiated terms, if and when they happen, will be dictated by the side not heading for defeat.

And the only way there could be a negotiated settlement is if Ukraine can join NATO. That way Putin will never invade Ukraine again.

Orban doubled down on his maverick foreign policy Tuesday, telling reporters Kyiv was headed for defeat and that "we need a new strategy" on Ukraine.

"If you cannot win on the battlefield -- you have to communicate, you have to negotiate, you have to have a ceasefire."

He is absolutely right there.

And the negotiated terms, if and when they happen, will be dictated by the side not heading for defeat.

if Trump wins re-election, Europe should be ready for him to start efforts to end the Ukraine war before his inauguration in January.

If Trump has that kind of leverage, why doesn't he just end the war now?

EU immigration is 70% down compared to its 2016 peak.

Plus the likelihood of Hungary being the target destination of these migrants is very, very slim.

EU immigration is 70% down compared to its 2016 peak.

The number of irregular border crossings into the European Union in the first four months of 2024 fell by nearly a quarter (23%) to around 63,400.

You'll never, ever hear old Orban berating his paymasters - Communist China. At this point he is the PRCs mouthpiece in Europe.