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© 2017 AFPStalin tops Putin in Russian poll of greatest historical figures
By Kirill KUDRYAVTSEV MOSCOW©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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CrazyJoe
20 million dead and 'disappeared' Russians under Stalin would disagree...
Aly Rustom
Imagine if the Germans picked German dictator Adolf Hitler as the greatest figure in history. What would we say?
commanteer
Dead people can't disagree, which is why they were dead in the first place. Stalin was a hero to the left. Though we pretend otherwise today, he still represents the ultimate result of leftist policies. Unfortunately, we haven't seen the last of his kind.
Goodlucktoyou
only russian historical figures i know are the one from the Boney M song, Rasputin, and the guy with the big red mark on his head. i do admire Putin though, is a cool, smart dangerous guy.
Asakaze
Greatest does not alwayas mean "good" or "loved". Russians were not asked who they love most. Presence in this list of Napoleon Bonaparte is very telling - I do not think Russians have any reason to love the Emperor who invaded their country, but they admit that he was a man of greatest historical significance. The same applies to Stalin.
inkochi
Scientists, a poet, cosmonaut, tsar and couple of politicians. Napoleon Bonaparte an interesting choice.
Two qualifications: respect or nostalgia for 'great men' telling; and in living memory confusion between 'Soviet' and 'Russian' still prevalent (well, Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili - aka Joseph Stalin in English - was Georgian)
PTownsend
Until the truths came out about his slaughters of any and all opposition.
During Stalin's reign millions of USSR citizens - Soviet citizens, supposedly his own people - were killed by the state. After WW2 the killings continued throughout the USSR.
His legacy lives on in North Korea. Kim Il Sung was put into power and puppeted by Stalin. Curious that the so-called Korean War ended days after Stalin's death. Curious that North Korea, ruled through Kim's police and cult worshippers, copied Stalin's style. As did Mao.
Stalin has gone down in history as one of the most evil rulers. Of any time. But I guess Russians have a different definition of evil from the people they call 'westerners'.
dcog9065
Makes sense, Russia has never been prosperous in its entire history. In fact, so squalid is the Russian today, that under Stalin they achieved their cultural, economic, and moral peak. It's only been downhill from there
TumbleDry
Aaaahhhhh the good old days... Persecutions, repressions, censor, Gulags...
/sarcasms
Some must have been seriously brain washed or were in the elite circle to have enjoyed this era...
FizzBit
There would be no Russia had he not stopped Hitler. Had hitler won against Russia and controlled the their oil and resources, it is not difficult to imagine what would have happened. D-Day would have failed because Hitler could have moved his eastern troops to hold back the invasion.
Stalin had already been defeating Hitler by Feb. of 43. More than a year before DDay.
JeffLee
The Russians are a brutalized people.
lostrune2
And the US was helping Stalin:
https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-the-United-States-supplying-the-Soviet-Union-help-the-Soviets-win-in-World-War-II
https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/03/14/lend-lease-how-american-supplies-aided-the-ussr-in-its-darkest-hour_575559
Jimizo
Probably the most ridiculous statement I've read on JT.
Jimizo
I'm not sure why Fizzbit's post got thumbed down. He didn't defend Stalin's brutality. Nobody doubts the US aided the USSR but the Soviets fought and lost more people than the rest of the allies combined. They also saw the destruction of large parts of their homeland.
I remember a story here about the commemoration of Soviet troops who died fighting the Nazis, and it received plenty of 'yeah, but the victory was because of US help...etc'.
Slightly off topic I know, but credit where it's due even if they were commies. There was more than one country which defeated the Nazis.
Back on topic, Stalin was a scumbag.
nandakandamanda
In for a penny in for a pound. Why wasn't Mao on that list? Double standards?
SuperLib
As long as Putin stays in power, I'll be happy. He is destroying Russia's image on the world stage and forcing them into isolation.
Toasted Heretic
None of the pro-Putin crowd in tonight?
Not sure about Gorbachev being relegated to the wooden spoon status; he did so much to end the cold war. Albeit briefly, with hindsight.
Jimizo
Just checked out the full list. No Dostoyevsky, Chekhov, Tchaikovsky or Trump.
Asakaze
No, but the whole Russophobic committee is here!
Putin made Russia so weak that it even managed to put its man into the White House (at least they try to make us to believe that). Keep be happy!!
SuperLib
Oh I'll put the greed and stupidity of uneducated Republican voters over anything Putin did. Besides, Putin is lowering the standard of living for all Russians which is something I support as long as they support him, and he's going to be in power for a long time.
Asakaze
Shhh! Don't say it loudly! If you do not believe that everything bad is Putin's fault, then some posters here will charge you with treason!
Oh, yes, Obama's "Russian economy in tatters" funny story. Hilarious. What is US national debt now? How are you going to repay it? At least Russians live within their means.
bass4funk
You met every Republican voter???? Wow!
Actually, A lot of people don't support him, but what's the alternative. Putin pretty much made himself president for life and any election they have is heavily rigged and no other candidate could ever win, without blood flowing.
ReturningGrace
Dictatorship sometimes is a necessity for survival in some parts of the world. Russia needs someone like Putin to lead because Russia is special and Russia is special because the US is exceptional. If you know what I mean.
commanteer
That would be quite a remarkable achievement here. But I assume you have little concept of what's ridiculous and what's not.
elephant200
Stalin was a hero, thats true! He was a hero because Roosevelt,Churchill and Uncle Adolf all three warlords together made him a hero!
joyridingonthetitanic
Elephant where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you seriously putting Roosevelt and Churchill on the same page as Hitler in terms of warmongering??? Stalin I agree is revered in Russia but you can't hide the fact that he was responsible for millions of deaths:
It's always wise to treat comparisons of dictators and democratically elected leaders with caution!
elephant200
@joyridingonthetitanic: Perhaps you dont understand the Russians or the history of Russia! Stalin was a very generous and heroic leader in Russian history if you compared him with 'Ivan the terrible'! All revolutions shed blood, the French revolutions and what if I tell you Washington was a bandit who shed the British blood ,toppling the British empire and took power by his own if his revolution has failed!
About Chruchill and Roosevelt....I have no bad opinion over these two Allied leaders, what i mean is: Both of them and Hitler, Missoulini,Stalin, Hiroito, Chiang Kai-Shek they were all war lords of World war 2. Their reputations depend on the situation of who took a more heavy burden over their shoulders that written this page of human history. And Stalin has out weighted all of them, he is a victor and an honorable warlord!