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© Copyright 2025 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.20 states sue Trump administration over mass firings of probationary federal workers
By BRIAN WITTE ANNAPOLIS, Md.©2025 GPlusMedia Inc.
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TaiwanIsNotChina
The states had an 80% success rate shoving things back up the MAGA tailpipe in the first term and the demands are even more ridiculous this time around. Keep it up!!!
Desert Tortoise
Firing the newest employees is eating one's young. They are the future of your organization. It seems the more intelligent way to reduce employee numbers would be to make early retirement offers to employees who otherwise don't meet the age requirement for full retirement ( 60 years of age for Federal employees ) and / or lack the number of years of Federal Service to have accumulated a decent retirement annuity. If you wholesale cut the new hires you are going to have a big hole to fill later on. I have seen this before with Federal government hiring freezes. The oldersters still retire as planned but with no new hires you end up short workers and no new employees to train up to take their place.
In the end when you discover you can't get the work done you end up hiring contractors ( many of which will be fired former employees ) at much higher cost while you hire and train like mad to reconstitute the workforce. I have seen this happen before.
bass4funk
For now, but once again, the Dems will find out in the future these things can go both ways, so they should expect the same happening to them if they ever get back in power. But thankfully, the Supreme Court will sort this all out
Underworld
bass4funk
Like they did last time?
bass4funk
Yes
https://x.com/mrddmia/status/1897723108855103991?s=46&t=YGWP_lcRZjddiWlx4QxURQ
WA4TKG
Welcome to the world of unstable employment…just like the REST of us
Underworld
bass4funk
Like they did last time?
Which was 5 - 4 against Trump!
I agree.
Bob Fosse
Mr “I don’t deal in hypotheticals”.
bass4funk
Which was 5 - 4 against Trump!
And temporary, so a silver lining in the end.
bass4funk
The constitution is not hypothetical
Bob Fosse
You’re really all over the place this morning.
HopeSpringsEternal
Constitutional lawyers, including SOH Mike Johnson, quite busy these days. Seems SCOTUS will further determine the ability of the Executive/President to manage the Federal Agencies, including HR!
Blacklabel
Which strangely has never been a question until a few weeks ago that a President can obviously remove federal employees.
lincolnman
And the way the Moron has been losing court cases left and right (no pun intended), he'll lose these cases too...
Because judges know we are a democracy, not a monarchy - a fact the Donald the Demented Dimwit can't seem to grasp...
Blacklabel
Yep, you just don’t hear about the losing:
SomeWeeb
The only time trump wins any court case is with a judge he appointed, shockingly obvious corruption to anyone with an ounce of brain.
SomeWeeb
Birthright citizenship, separation of powers, etc etc
Tell me you haven't read it without telling me you haven't read it.
wallace
The President cannot fire any federal employee. The President can only fire those reporting directly to the President.
lincolnman
Strange - I thought you read the articles here....
https://japantoday.com/category/world/judge-orders-trump-administration-to-pay-nearly-2-billion-in-usaid-and-state-dept.-debts
https://japantoday.com/category/world/second-federal-judge-extends-block-preventing-the-trump-administration-from-freezing-funding
https://japantoday.com/category/world/federal-judge-reinstates-labor-board-member-fired-by-president-donald-trump
https://japantoday.com/category/world/divided-supreme-court-rejects-trump-administration's-push-to-rebuke-judge-over-foreign-aid-freeze
https://japantoday.com/category/world/judge-rules-head-of-watchdog-agency-must-keep-his-job-says-trump's-bid-to-oust-him-was-unlawful
ROFL...
bass4funk
The President cannot fire any federal employee. The President can only fire those reporting directly to the President.
Under the U.S. Constitution
• Article II, Section 1: Gives the President “executive power” to oversee the federal government.
• Article II, Section 3: Requires the President to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”
Myers v. United States (1926) – The Supreme Court ruled that the President has the unrestricted power to fire executive officials (like Cabinet members) without Senate approval.So yes, the president has absolute constitutional authority and can fire federal employees he has that power
lincolnman
Absurd...
Ridiculous...
Made up...
Someone sure is triggered again...and another example of posting without reading the article first...
HopeSpringsEternal
President only being advised by DOGE indirectly, as DOGE's advising Agency heads and Cabinet Members in some cases with a 'portfolio' of agencies they direct.
These Agency heads and their Cabinet Member bosses are the ones actually doing the firing. Naturally, everyone reports to the President, so he's in the 'loop' so to say.
Above = PERFECTLY Legal, Lots of Historical Precedent
HopeSpringsEternal
What's different this time, speed & scope of DOGE, due to their digital sophistication & data analytics capabilities.
Thus, Agency heads can move much faster with headcount reductions than previously, and/or eliminate spending that's deemed waste, fraud and abuse.
States upset due to scale of Fed. Govt. Restructuring taking place so efficiently due to DOGE but in reality, process itself is no different than prior Govt. streamlining