Power outages in Ukrainian cities, Moldova after new strikes

The onslaught followed an overnight Russian rocket attack in the town of Vilniansk, close to the city of Zaporizhzhia in southern Ukraine, that destroyed a hospital maternity ward, killing a 2-day-old newborn boy and critically injuring a doctor.

Barbaric.

Just how deep is the bottom the Russians are prepared to trawl? It's quite shocking that I share the Earth with people who are prepared to do these kinds of things to civilians. There seems to be less and less chance of Russia ever being rehabilitated.

“We cannot trust a regime that leaves us in the dark and cold, that intentionally kills people, out of a simple desire to keep other peoples in poverty and humiliation,” Sandu said.

These 'shock and awe'-type attacks on energy infrastructure may not be having the desired effect for Russia. It seems instead to lead to the hardening of hearts and minds.

elephant200

Winter is coming, Russia will win this war!

Russia are far less prepared for winter than Ukraine.

Bronco

This is straight out of the playbook used by NATO against Libya, Iraq and Serbia.

Bombing hospitals? I don't think so.

What's also happening is that cities in the south (Kherson and Odessa) have been ordered to evacuate to the West.

This makes a military takeover of these cities much easier.

You used to go on about the failed attempt to take Kherson city. Now that they have made a success of that plan you predict that they will lose it?

Remember in war power, water rail transport are all military targets

Hospitals, theatres, residential blocks, schools and kindergartens, too?

So Ukraine cuts off gas to dependent Moldavia

*Energy policy analyst Sergiu Tofilat said that as Moldova and Ukraine were connected to the European grid in March, one of the connection points on the power line between Moldova and neighbouring Romania shut down automatically if Ukraine was hit to protect the system: "We reconnect once Ukraine has assessed the damage."*

Automatically. Ukraine did not 'cut off gas' to Moldova.

In response to the outages, Moldovan President Maia Sandu said Russia had "left Moldova in the dark".

Not Ukraine. russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63729427

You should read the full details.

Thank you Antiquesaving, I just did.

From your link:

Law no. 2558 "On Condemning the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) Totalitarian Regimes and Prohibiting the Propagation of their Symbols" — banning Nazi and communist symbols, and public denial of their crimes. That included removal of communist monuments and renaming of public places named after communist-related themes.[8]

Law no. 2538-1 "On the Legal Status and Honoring of the Memory of the Fighters for the Independence of Ukraine in the 20th Century" — elevating several historical organizations, including the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, to official status and assures social benefits to their surviving members.[1][2][8][6]

Law no. 2539 "On Remembering the Victory over Nazism in the Second World War"[8]

Law no. 2540 "On Access to the Archives of Repressive Bodies of the Communist Totalitarian Regime from 1917–1991" — placing the state archives concerning repression during the Soviet period under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance.[12][8]

Can't see anything there about 'everything the Soviet Union did was illegal'?

Terrorizing, killing, deporting, looting, raping.

All those Russian invaders are so good at.

They don't have the balls to fight Ukraine's troops, so they kill civilians, 2-days-old babies.

Trying to starve and freeze a whole population to death. Genocide!

Good that they have been declared #russiaisaterroriststate by the EU!

Ukraine will win - Ukraine will prevail!

Rodney

Crimea has always been Russia.

Nope. On 19 February 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian SSR.

Antique,

can you please explain this sentence to me? I don't get it!

*"I have had fun in the past showing how useless it is by editing things to make no sense...."*

In addition:

"So S300 hitting civilian ground targets probably a Ukrainian self-defence missile gone wrong again..."

Remember, it wasn't just one missile that destroyed Ukrainian infrastruture and killed innocent people!

Do you want to say that all those missiles (up and until now) were Ukraine's, targeting their own area, targeting their own people? Now that would be quite someting .... and looks definitely like more Russian deranged propaganda!

Ukraine will prevail!

Sanctions are an acceptable response when nations disagree. Wars of aggression are not.

Also, pointing out past wrongs of the US, of which there are many, while excusing what Russia is doing is just tribalism and being a homer. It just means that you guys would have been part of the USA! USA! crowd when the US was invading Iraq, if only you had been born in the US. It's ok to be against all wars of aggression.

Oh dear! Someone did it before so it is ok to do it now. By this logic we are all free to plumb the depths of barbarism because human beings have done it all before. At least we can be sure that it won't be Russia leading humanity to a glorious future then because that is their simplistic level of morality. I hope, as a species, we can overcome that. Surely there are a few Russians who do too. No?

Wil,

guess you know that saying about opinions, same goes for interpretations.

Fact is that Gen. Milley confirms Russians are getting their arses kicked.

Fact is Gen. Milley said that Russia hasn't achieved anything in he past 9 months.

Gen. Milley says that Russians have to withdraw (before they run out of body-bags).

And don't forget his "maybes"!

So, yes, Ukraine will prevail!

After the dust settles, Russia will be the ultimate loser.

The above would be nice to think, but the Kremlin's leaky gas station of a nation will remain needed by the globe's petrochemical establishment. Putin and the Kremlin are needed by the global ruling caste to maintain their wealth and control.

Yrral - way to cherry-pick a quote, man. Let's see Milley's full quote for better context.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/russiaukraine-war-russia-ukraine-latest-news-full-ukrainian-victory-over-russia-unlikely-top-us-general-s-rare-assessment-101668685438018.html

Rodney - sovereign nations don’t get to tell other sovereign nations who they can Or can’t align with. Otherwise, they aren’t really sovereign.

Now, if your assertion is that Ukraine should just be a vassal or colony of Russia, then that’s a different argument. I would disagree with it, but at least it makes more logical sense.

Antiquesaving

In 2015 Ukraine passed a law declaring that the Soviet Union was an illegal occupation and that everything it did was illegal

No they didn't.

S300 are short range surface to air and self destruct if they miss their target.

lol Nope.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system

After the dust settles, Russia will be the ultimate loser.

Wil - the part you quoted is the part that Yrral is referring to. Here is what else Milley said. I never said that Milley said that Ukrainian victory was likely.

Russia "right now is on its back," Mark Milley asserted although he also acknowledged that Moscow is “hurting bad” and will likely struggle through the cold weather in the coming months.

...

"The Ukrainians have achieved success after success after success. And the Russians have failed every single time. They've lost strategically, they've lost operationally, and I repeat, they lost tactically," the general said.

Calling Russia's invasion "one of the most significant attempts to destroy the rules-based order that World War Two was fought all about", Gen. Milley said the US and its allies will continue to support Ukraine.

>

More than 70 cruise missiles rained down on Ukrainian locations including a maternity hospital killing a 2-day baby. Emergency UN meeting.

Putin is responsible for so much death and destruction and causing immense suffering for the people.

Wil

Fact is that Gen. Milley, whose opinion you seem to value so highly, says that a Ukrain prevailing militarily is very unlikely.

Even if that is true, Ukraine would be foolish to enter peace talks at the moment. Russia are on the back foot and aren't prepared for winter. Pushing them now is essential for Ukraine to be at an advantage for when it is time for peace talks.

Peace talks are a negotiation, and it makes no sense to give your opponent an advantage.

Also, General Milley doesn't speak for US policy on Ukraine.

Hit that Crimea bridge again -this time harder! Tit for tat! Make Russian troops freezing in their bunkers and trenches sweat with precision artillery fire. And take out some of Russia's own ramshackle infrastructure. The Russian people themselves need to suffer much more from this winter war in order for them to open their eyes and switch on their brains to understand that getting rid of Putin's putrid gangster regime is the only way to salvage their country's honor in the eyes of the civilized world.

Winter is coming, Russia will win this war!

What war? Win the "special operation"?

our own Link

Exactly. You said it's a short range missile, and now we know it's not.

As for Wiki I have had fun in the past showing how useless it is by editing things to make no sense and make a point, don't really on it!

That was certainly the case when I was in high school but not now.

Wil - I don't disagree. He said 'anytime soon'. IOW, confirming what we all suspect, that this war may last awhile.

"The probability of a Ukrainian military victory - defined as kicking the Russians out of all of Ukraine to include what they claim as Crimea - the probability of that happening anytime soon is not high, militarily," Mark Milley said.

I did. I have seen an interpretation of this Milley quote kicked around on pro-Russian forums that the US is writing off the chances of a Ukrainian victory ever, but that is clearly not what Milley is saying. One only needs to look at the entire quote (instead of its interpretation) to see that he is merely setting expectations that this is going to be a long, hard slog. The remainder of what Milley said, that I posted above, isn't referenced on these pro-Russian forums. Strange, that.

Think of the vulnerable Ukrainian citizens. The youngest ones. The oldest ones. Anyone now needing medical care. Russia commits war crimes every day. Russia must pay a price for such barbaric behavior.

Russia wasting missiles on civilian targets again.

Not impeding the Ukrainian military at all.

Russia thinks it can break the morale of the civilian population with these terror attacks, but they are mistaken. Ukraine’s morale will never break, it will only become stronger.

Antiquesaving

You like to be wrong a lot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_decommunization_laws#:~:text=The%20laws%20passed%20on%20April,named%20after%20communist%2Drelated%20themes.

Show me where they say that everything the Soviets did was illegal.

Seems you like to be wrong a lot.

Antiquesaving

Note the author of the law was Yurii Shukhevych member of the far right pure Ukraine party.

Yawn. So Yurii is right wing. What's your point?

There are no depths to which Russia will not stoop, but Ukraine is not going to bend, it is better armed and equipped, and it's troops are FAR superior to the rabble that Russia uses for cannon fodder.

The intitative and momentum are on the side of Ukraine. As long as the West continues to provide the current levels of support, I believe it will eventually prevail.

Since people like to "quote" what Gen. Miley said cocnerning Ukraine (and not just what people like to read, skipping words, re-wording, etc), here is what he actually did say:

"Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said the* ***Russian military was “really hurting bad” after nearly nine months of war in which the Kremlin has failed to achieve any of its goals. The Ukrainians have racked up “success after success after success,**” Milley quipped, while the Russians “have failed every single time.”

Those failures, Milley suggested, which come on top of Ukraine’s recent liberation of Kherson, may even allow Ukraine to push for what it is unlikely to achieve militarily: a withdrawal of Russian forces.

“There may be a political solution where politically the Russians withdraw,” Milley said at a press conference Wednesday. “You want to negotiate at a time when you’re at your strength, and your opponent is at weakness. And it’s possible, maybe, that there’ll be a political solution. All I’m saying is there’s a possibility for it.”

Ukraine will prevail - one way or the other!

that time NATO and US attacks were "kosher" and right thing?

Sounds like sour grapes from someone on the losing side of a war

Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources

this was a huge "Pro-Russian" statement.

Good thing that, as usual, he was wrong.

So I wouldnt put much emphasis into anything else he has to say.

Wil

2020 hindsights

Russia are far less prepared for winter than Ukraine.

Just like you said last week that Russia was running out of missiles and drones?

Thats true. And artillery:

https://theins.ru/en/politics/254573

this General Milley?

Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources

Oh, Im sorry he said "could" and "if".

UChosePoorly

Today 12:19 pm JST

Rodney - sovereign nations don’t get to tell other sovereign nations who they can Or can’t align with. Otherwise, they aren’t really sovereign

Really? The USA has done that for decades.

Turkey being the latest facing sanctions for buying S400 instead of USA systems.

Then we have Pinochet, Argentine military, the Shah of Iran, etc...

Please don't pretend Russia is the only one or even the first.

sovereign nations don’t get to tell other sovereign nations who they can Or can’t align with. Otherwise, they aren’t really sovereign.

How sovereign was Ukraine after the US-UK-EU coup in 2014? Did this slip your mind?

According to US Col Douglas McGreggor, by doing that, Russia is denying Ukraine’s military access to a resource used for war.

War has no limits and restrictions: nuclear bombs, internment camps of innocent citizens, concentration camps, flame throwers, gas chambers, fake WMD.

2020hindsights

Today 12:17 pm JST

Rodney

> Crimea has always been Russia.

> Nope. On 19 February 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian SSR.

Funny that one!

In 2015 Ukraine passed a law declaring that the Soviet Union was an illegal occupation and that everything it did was illegal and all decrees and laws affecting Ukraine were also illegal but funny enough it put in a single exception the actual illegal transfer of Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. How convenient, at the same time it added into that same law making any reference to crimes committed by the OUN UPA illegal, making that terrorist ethnic cleansing organization national heroes. Something Poland was quite upset about to the point of creating their own law in 2018 declaring OUN UPA criminal organization ethic cleaning group and banning all symbols related to them, so yesterday's photo showing the UPA red and black flag in Kherson would be illegal in Poland.

Funny how these things are left out of MSM.

Ukraine is not gonna win this war,say Milley ,the man over US military policy,so negotiate and save what little you have

deanzaZZR

Today 11:28 am JST

Think of the vulnerable Ukrainian citizens. The youngest ones. The oldest ones. Anyone now needing medical care. Russia commits war crimes every day. Russia must pay a price for such barbaric behavior

Remember in war power, water rail transport are all military targets, just ask the USA as it hit Iraq.

So nothing new in this.

As for war crimes

new York Times Ukraine kill POWs

The videos have been confirmed as authentic by the New York Times ( not some Putin or Russian source) and I warn you the images are disturbing.

So no shortage of crimes on both sides.

2020hindsights

Today 12:40 pm JST

Antiquesaving

> In 2015 Ukraine passed a law declaring that the Soviet Union was an illegal occupation and that everything it did was illegal

> No they didn't.

You like to be wrong a lot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_decommunization_laws#:~:text=The%20laws%20passed%20on%20April,named%20after%20communist%2Drelated%20themes.

You should read the full details.

I just put Wiki because that seems to be the level most here are willing to look up!

2020hindsights

Today 12:40 pm JST

Antiquesaving

> In 2015 Ukraine passed a law declaring that the Soviet Union was an illegal occupation and that everything it did was illegal

> No they didn't

Note the author of the law was Yurii Shukhevych member of the far right pure Ukraine party. the son of Roman Shukhevych commanders of Nachtigall Battalion, a Hauptmann of the German Schutzmannschaft 201 auxiliary police battalion,a military leader of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), and one of the perpetrators of the Galicia-Volhynia massacres of approximately 100,000 Poles.

In his legislation he snuck in the provision making OUN UPA Heroes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurii_Shukhevych

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

Read these then you will know why Poland passed a law countering this stuff.

FYI the UPA red and black flag are illegal in Poland for good reason.

Just how deep is the bottom the Russians are prepared to trawl? It's quite shocking that I share the Earth with people who are prepared to do these kinds of things to civilians. There seems to be less and less chance of Russia ever being rehabilitated.

Liberate all of Ukraine except the Lvov oblast. Capture all the 10s of 1000sa of NATO mercenaries and send them to the Gulag without any possibility of release. Let the Nazis in Lvov do their torchlight processions in the dark. See how much fun Nazism is then! That is until they flee to their sponsors in Germany, France, UK and of all places Poland (given the history of Ukrainian Nazis and Poles).

Next step after that has to be the liberation of the Baltic states.

Next step has to be a law that makes it illegal for Russia to Poland under any circumstances. Let Germans do whatever they want with Poles.

Russia are far less prepared for winter than Ukraine.

50% no electricity, no water, are you serious? Ukraine bought this on itself with the blessing of USA/UK and the far right bosses of NATO and EU. Just like western propaganda says Ukraine is winning. Only US arms dealers and fossil fuel multinationals are winning. The rest of the world is facing misery.

if Ukraine kept its promise to be independent and reconsider Donbass…the world would be different. Crimea has always been Russia.

Winter is coming, Russia will win this war!

So Ukraine cuts off gas to dependent Moldavia as winter sets in, and triples the transit fees from the other EU countries, basically equating to blackmail. Pay up or we cut you off. Not to mention Ukraine has been stealing Russian gas not belonging to them.

Biden, should tell Zelensky,that Ukraine will never join NATO,and he will come to a more sensible solution that do not involve the US input

The first S300 rocket hit the road. The second rocket hit this place, the main general hospital, at the maternity wing,

S300 are short range surface to air and self destruct if they miss their target.

So like in Poland it sounds like this was a ukrainian defense rocket not Russian.

Moonraker,as long as Japanese and others buy his energy,he can do these things with impunity

Cards fan

Today 08:55 am JST

S300 are short range surface to air and self destruct if they miss their target.

> lol Nope.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system

What part is Nope.

Your own Link

The S-300 (NATO reporting name SA-10 Grumble) is a series of long range surface-to-air missile systems

Some of the more modern variations can achieve 198Km at best so short range.

As for Wiki I have had fun in the past showing how useless it is by editing things to make no sense and make a point, don't really on it!

Note that in theory at very short range approx 100 km surface to surface could be possible but with no guidance and the only claim of such use has been by Ukraine with no confirmation.

But we do know the last time a S300 hit a civilian target on the ground it was in Poland and was Ukraine and that to this day Ukraine says it was Russia despite Poland, the USA, etc... Saying it was Ukraine.

So S300 hitting civilian ground targets probably a Ukrainian self-defence missile gone wrong again or another attempt to blame Russia you choose.