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Sun draws many out in U.S., Europe; Russia virus numbers grow

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The Russian rapid increase in cases and deaths may question the effect of lockdown as the country has been closed for about a month.

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The Russian rapid increase in cases and deaths may question the effect of lockdown as the country

Or it could be Russia didn't confront the problem soon enough. But who knows what goes on inside the Federation's borders. I recall reading Russia sent medical supplies to the US to help the US, which was also late trying to catch up with its pandemic related problems. Russia must have thought it could spare the equipment, that its problems could be handled. But again, who knows

It will be interesting to learn whether assault weapons carrying Russians will storm a government building to protest the lockdown. I imagine posters who gloried in Americans doing that would equally glory in Russians doing that. Correct?

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It will be interesting to learn whether assault weapons carrying Russians will storm a government building to protest the lockdown. I imagine posters who gloried in Americans doing that would equally glory in Russians doing that. Correct?

Yes. That's correct. Excersing 1st and 2nd amendment rights are just fine and perfectly normal. Now in Russia, they may actually be breaking the law by doing that but what else can you do in a totalitarian state? When people have no rights, change can only come through violence.

BTW, they weren't carrying assault weapons. Those are illegal in the US.

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We will see how this works out 2 weeks from now.

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The theory of herd immunity has been proven-China is back to work but we don’t see this on the news...

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The theory of herd immunity has been proven-China is back to work but we don’t see this on the news...

Agreed, the South Korean study that should recovered people testing positive again has now been shown to be a whole bunch of false positives.

Herd immunity can be naturally achieved and Sweden will be first to achieve it.

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Herd immunity has NOT been proven.

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The theory of herd immunity has been proven-China is back to work but we don’t see this on the news...

Complete nonsense, yet again. Still waiting for any studies to be cited to "prove" this compete myth.

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Herd immunity has been proven!

By whom, may I ask?

Sweden - 22,082 cases, 2,669 deaths

Denmark - 9,407 cases, 475 deaths

Norway - 7,809 cases, 211 deaths

The U.K. tried herd immunity and 182,260 cases, 28,131 deaths.

The above statistics (worldometers.info) appear to contrast with herd immunity success claims.

Sorry, but to say any approach has worked is far too early. Only after all the data has been collated and peer reviewed (by scientists) can we say any approach has ‘worked’.

I also thought, a lot of herd immunity is brought about by vaccination programs. I could be way off in my assumption. However, as there is no vaccine, herd immunity seems rather difficult in this case.

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Yesterday we went for a walk on the nearby beach. More people than expected especially young teens swimming and playing. Even four foreigners who I haven't seen in this location before. The police turned up when we were leaving and ordered everyone off the beach.

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By whom, may I ask?

By those with agendas, especially those who want to further rile people up, add more fuel to fires, flame. Some are paid to push falsehoods, others do so - or so they say - 'voluntarily'.

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Good signs. The world will be back to normal very soon, despite what all the doomsday merchants on JT have to say about it.

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That's a good looking couple even in masks. I hope things get back to normal soon.

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and we who have no underlying conditions and who are not at risk.....have to stay inside so that we supposedly dont infect old people?

Retired New York attorney Stan Neustadter pulled down his mask to say it's been important to his spirit to get out. “Why live like a rabbit? Plus I’m approaching 78, I’ve had a great run,” Neustadter said.

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China is vast and populous, yet far from herd-immunized. Herd immunity against covid-19 is theoretically possible to attain naturally without mass vaccination program, but it's time-consuming with and inevitable amount of casualties over time. In the case of covid19, elderly community members would most likely be affected. It's can be considered a byproduct while the primary goal is to minimize spikes and protect the most vulnerable people while awaiting vaccine development.

Other than such priority, it is also important to make a balance by putting things into perspective. In Japan 3,000 die of various causes everyday. Yesterday a big jump of 30 dead of covid19-related was widely reported. Is it newsworthy predominating/hijacking local mainstream media? On the same single day, minimal 3-digit death tolls were reported in many other countries, some of which are however now starting to reopen...

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Herd immunity, that would be where the sheep follow what their Govt or WHO and UN tell them to do right ?

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That would be flock immunity....

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Studies suggest that for each confirmed case, there are up to 100 people that have the antibodies; they caught it and fought it off without knowing they had it.

I believe the best solution would be to have the most vulnerable people be extra careful while the rest of us continue living as usual, to build up the number of immune people with antibodies. Yes, herd immunity is a thing, and it does not require a vaccine.

The alternative would be to have the vulnerable people terrified for years as well as a wrecked economy, which itself will have a certain death toll.

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Contracting the virus doesn't guarantee immunity.

People need to stop talking crap on the internet.

If only Russian media wasn't controlled by the gangsters that run Russia - hard to take the leadership to task for abject failure in a dictatorship. And the Orwellian tech they've been experimenting with during the pandemic,

Hopefully the Russians will pull through this with like the rest of us. We should all be united on this.

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Contracting the virus doesn't guarantee immunity.

Perhaps it does. It certainly does make one immune to the same virus, and at least partially immune to a modifidd virus. Getting the vaccine does not make one more immune than recovering from the infection.

People need to stop talking crap on the internet.

Indeed!

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@rawbeerStudies suggest

Links to the 'studies'. RT/Breitbart, even an 8chan poster would suffice.

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Having caught the virus doesn’t guarantee immunity but it does give one a much better chance to have minor symptoms rather than major ones.

I heard a major hospital in Kobe tested 1,000 people randomly selected and 30 (3%) had the virus antibodies. Population is about 1.5 million so extrapolated it would be 45,000 who caught this. Interesting.

Similar results were obtained in Santa Clara county California in the US with a larger sample size.

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Corona threatens to shake Putin's wobbly throne and his crown may yet slip from his head before he can crown himself "president for life".

The long-established Russian envy of Japanese "efficiency" and public order, as evidenced by their ability to contain the virus (so far), knows no bounds. The best, most reliable Russian newspaper (Novaya Gazeta) has even reported that "every Japanese citizen and foreigner will receive $800+ from the government, including the homeless and, even prisoners on death row"!? Can the latter claim really be true, or just more Russian "Pie in the Sky" to which this idealistic but credulous people are prone to?

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@PTownsend

Where have you been? There are a number of studies in the US and Europe finding that the number of people with antibodies against the virus was very much higher than the njmber of confirmed cases, up to 100x greater. I don't know if CNN talked about them, but many out have discussed them.

If you haven't seen them by now, you probably don't want to see them.

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@rawbeerI don't know if CNN talked about them

I don't watch CNN: I live in Japan.

I'll wait for the research to be published by a recognized, refereed scientific journal instead of relying on something a social media poster 'heard' and/or claims using phrases like 'studies have shown'.

On a refereed journal aside, it would be interesting to read findings on the CNNphobic, especially which countries they came from.

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Here is an article about the Stanford University study related to Santa Clara county Covid cases

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-17/coronavirus-antibodies-study-santa-clara-county

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I'll wait for the research to be published by a recognized, refereed scientific journal instead of relying on something a social media poster 'heard' and/or claims using phrases like 'studies have shown'.

That is exactly what I was referring to. What we should ask ourselves is why doesn't the MSM discuss any of these results published by recognized, refereed scientific journals.

All the MSM seems to be saying is "be sacred, be very scared."

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discuss any of these results published by recognized, refereed scientific journals

Early days. Way early. What I have read, and based on the limited information I've seen and have chosen to believe is that this is NOT just another cold/flu/hepatitis - like some posters have been claiming for the last few months without any substantial evidence. Once again, I'll wait until proper research has been done.

Please provide examples of your media sources publishing verified information from a recognized, refereed scientific journal. And if they have, I'll say - way too early. And assume they, too are pushing an agenda.

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I live 30+ minutes outside Atlanta. Haven't been into the city in probably 8+ months. That isn't too unusual. The state has been slowly reopening over the last week, but most people are still working from home and car traffic is very light.

Went out yesterday for forage some food after being at home 4 weeks and 3 weeks prior to that. Before heading out, checked the state health department virus statistics.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

They have a graph for the state that clearly shows the bottom if the first hump has happened this week.

Day = 0 Deaths=0 New Confirmed Cases=13 (today)

Day = -1 Deaths=3 New Confirmed Cases=51 (yesterday)

Day = -2 Deaths=13 New Confirmed Cases=132 (2 days ago)

That's state-wide as reported by all doctors, hospitals inside the state.

My county had 482 people hospitalized for a population of about 370,000 people. Just under 1800 confirmed COVID cases total this year.

Whether there is a jump back up in 2 weeks will be the real tell. We'll be staying at home and distancing for 2-4 weeks more so the true numbers become clear. After all, the numbers for today really are 4-21 days old due to the lag in infection and symptoms, if any are displayed.

FYI, "Atlanta" city is a fairly small part of the Atlanta Metro area. The metro area is 13 counties and about 5.5M people while the City of Atlanta proper is just 420K people.

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