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Shooter kills 3 kids, 3 adults at Nashville schoolBy JONATHAN MATTISE, TRAVIS LOLLER and HOLLY MEYER NASHVILLE, Tenn
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The shooting of children and other innocent people just goes on in the US.
Any society that allows assault rifles to be freely available is a failed society. No argument.
There will be another mass shooting in the USA within a few days. Guaranteed. Let's all be grateful we do not live in that hell-hole.
Rest in Peace to the poor little kids and their teachers.
But mah second amendmunt...
The country is sick...
Not the country, the person that committed this act.
Well it's a good thing that this country has easy access to guns for sick people so they can destroy the lives of others. Or something like that.
Sad. It's probably naive to place any hopes on legislation to counter the carnage, because the US is already awash in guns. And even sensible local ordinances are regularly struck down by judges who view the 2nd Amendment as an absolute individual right.
And every adult in the US should take a look in the mirror and ask themselves "why is their violence in school's" and should see the answer to that question in the mirror!
No one is "reeling", with the exception of the families and loved one's of the victims, as no one cares enough to stand up and do something.
My heart goes out to the loved one's here of those killed, but it is just another "wash-rinse-repeat" and "fill in the blank" with the next one. It's coming, where, who knows, but it's surely coming, and THAT should be enough to scare people into action, but everyone knows, it will just be rhetoric, and nothing positive!
Without the "person", there is no country!
The country is sick...
And the lax gun laws.
This is going to lead to some very contentious competing narratives given the cultural and political climate in the States.
It's weird that you have a country with a lot of nuts running around with powerful guns and some people - too many - are just fine with that. There seems like a prima facie case to actually do something about it. Violent though the country is abroad, Americans sure do have a love of killing each other. Sounds insane.
States are legislating like crazy to protect kids from deadly drag shows, meanwhile laws to require a simple background check to protect kids from gun violence, are apparently against our freedoms.
Having done nothing to curb gun violence, America is all out of ideas.
Repeal the Second Amendment. Or, flood the Supreme Court, which votes on purely ideological lines, with liberal judges and reinterpret -correctly- that amendment to how it was originally intended.
Condolences to the victims' loved ones.
The vast majority of people who own these assault rifles are responsible gun owners? How is this so? Why does the average person need a rifle that is designed to kill people? It’s not a hunting rifle. It’s a rifle made for war to kill as many people as possible. This means that, anyone who owns an assault rifle is not a responsible gun owner. In fact, these people will tell you they own an assault rifle to protect themselves from others with assault rifles. This is just paranoid rubbish. Less than 1% of the 35,000 gun related deaths in the US every year can be called self defense. Over 60% of the deaths are suicides, 25% are crime related and 15% are accidental deaths, usually children. The 3rd amendment and all who support it are delusional and paranoid. Welcome to America.
It’s a wonder that this type of event is even news anymore. I guess it is a little bit different because she was a transgender woman. I guess that she was bullied at school and wanted revenge.
And that greedy screaming Robiespeare who has been shrieking for decades about certain politicians are gonna TAKE ALL OUR GUNS AWAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!! Yes, that loquacious loudmouth Wayne LaPierre, the NRA head is largely responsible for this dilemna. He's delinquent on his taxes yet he still won't shut up. And his extremist sass about 'jackboot thug' cops and his motormouth bashing of some victims in the 1995 OKC bombing led to George H W Bush quitting his NRA membership.
All it takes is one loudmouth know-nothing money-stealing cretin to stir the pot and this is the result!
Our country is on the edge of destruction ...
If you ban guns then they will use knives to kill children ..
Because people are fed up abut this administration and getting mad...
They are waiting for 2024 to save their life ..
And the Dems are going to do what about mental health? Maybe some of that money they send to the Ukraine could be used to increase mental care research.
"She" was not a woman, but a man who identified as a woman. In this age of media lies, no surprise this is buried deep in the story. Not enough that we take away women's identity, now we make them out as mass murderers?
You are incorrect.
It was a woman who identified as a man.
Vote for legislation for more mental health care in schools and more funding. Unlike the Republicans.
"All 20 “no” votes came from Republicans:"
"That bill — called the Mental Health Matters Act — passed in a 220-205 vote, with one Republican joining all Democrats voting in favor of it."
Thank you for that correction. Every article describes her as a "transgender woman," which means they are misgendering her I guess. Very hard to keep track of the insanity.
Christian school? transgender former student? Enough data to form a strong hypothesis right there.
Another unfortunate event, and seemingly unpreventable.
The leading cause of death for children in the US is being shot.
If the leading cause of death was caused by anything except guns, there would be laws like child seats for cars, seatbelt laws, child proof caps, vaccines, etc.
Oh wait. there are laws to protect children. But no laws to protect them from assault weapons.
The Supreme Court rulings of 2008 and 2022 were simply wrong.
The 2nd Amendment is:
State militias were empowered to defend against attacks by Native Americans, other states or nations attacking and to form posse’s to capture criminals. They were the police force of the time.
It does not say that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed without purpose. The amendment is clear.
The founding fathers would think the nation had lost its collective mind with modern assault weapons.
Seems like the Dems are not for gun control after all.
House Democrats were divided over how to structure a package of messaging bills on crime before the August recess. Vulnerable Democrats, also known as front-liners, wanted to pass police funding bills to combat defund-the-police attacks to help ahead of the 2022 midterms, while the Congressional Black Caucus and progressives have concerns about it and wanted accountability language included in the package for police officers.
They know full well, they vote on gun control, their party is finished overnight.
Woman identifies as a man, strict "Christian" education and upbringing, recipe for disaster.
well at least Bob Fosse is finally recognizing the fact that transgender ideology is mental. Thanks Bob I always knew you understood reality!
Like all these mass shootings we will soon learn this he/she/they/them/it/it’s wow so many, anyway we will learn this person was on some FBI watch list or the police knew about this individual.
I didn’t say that. Don’t put your words in my mouth.
It’s just a multiple failing of the education system. Not only they failed at that Christian school to teach her(him) some of the easiest values like value of life, not killing others etc, no, also all other schools failed, not teaching some geographical basics, that there are no-go areas everywhere and which those are and that surely Nashville is one of them, where one just don’t live, moves into or sends own children to school. Unbelievable, which strange things they try to teach nowadays, but forget the simplest basic knowledge in all their useless education attempts.
Thank goodness for the 2nd amendment. So now should we go after all the trans people since they might end up committing acts of violence against children?
That’s the same logic most of you on here think. Take away everything single persons guns! How dare they have the ability to defend themselves.
Read your links, bass. They didn't vote against the bill, they couldn't agree on its structure.
"The source told CNN that Democrats are going to be negotiating on the package in the hopes that they can have something ready to pass should the House come back into session during August recess, however right now that’s not in the schedule."
Also, your other source;
"Two Democrats — Reps. Jared Golden (Maine) and Kurt Schrader (Ore.) — joined most Republicans in voting against the full package."
And the reason?
“Now is not a time for bills we all know will fail,”
The point is, this woman, whatever her mental emotional demented state was, she killed 6 people that in itself is great tragedy.
Please stop tarring all Americans with the same brush. Almost all Americans I have met are against the gun laws as they exist.
Thanks god for the police doing their job. Hey same police force that the far left want to defund. I wonder if one of those mental health experts the leftist want to replace with the police could if talked this killer out of killing.
Yet another mass shooting while Congress tries to "protect the USA" against the horrors of TikTok. What a joke.
Expand healthcare coverage to more uninsured people so that they can get the help they need. Did I miss something Republicans did?
Remember it's your position that it's a mental healthcare issue yet you have zero legislation you can point to that would increase access to these services. Or, to put it another way, it's a bunch of BS that Republicans talk about until the headlines are gone.
Aah, as predicted the mental health narrative is going to be hardcore culture warred in this case of another mass shooting.
And as usual with total insincerity by the right.
Suggesting guaranteed health care in every other circumstance it is :
'Who is going to pay for it?'
'Socialism! Robbing Peter to pay Paul?'
'The health care professionals are pushing their own agendas!'
It is hard to find solutions when faced with such total mendacity and demagoguery
The children of the USA do not deserve this.
Nutjob* kills 6
Not the country, the person that committed this act.
Well, as abstract entities "countries" can't do a darn thing, but go on admit it - there's a heck of a lot of sick people at large and even more firearms, two separate issues, but when taken together = American carnage. Folks with guns still have a lot of explaining to do before a solution to this most American way of Death can be found. A first step would be to put "Red State" Amerika and its reactionary politicians in the cross-hairs of gun control legislation before attempting the much more difficult task of improving the mental health of a society where millions of deluded citizens living lives of quiet desperation are crying out for help to snake-oil politicians.
I did read it, also you didn’t read that I mentioned the fact that the Dems don’t want gun control as it would end their party as they know it.
Yeah, they always say that.
Do you even understand how many liberals are gun owners? Probably not.
Transgender kills children because of their far left ideology. How many of these far-left mass killers are going to continue killing?
You would not be saying that if it was YOUR child killed by a gun crazy.
Anyone who believes that assault weapons like AK47s are needed to "defend themselves" is mad.
And the lefts over-reactionary response? Ban guns.
Suggesting guaranteed health care in every other circumstance it is :
It's not their money, so who cares, right?
I can’t argue with you on that one.
So how can we get the left to listen??
No, they absolutely don’t.
Those two Democrats who knew the bill was doomed anyway because the other side would never go for it? Anyway, I disagree with your assessment. Not voting for gun control would lose them the supporters they do have. And the opposite is true for the other side.
A lot of them, particularly those in minority groups, and many more since the pandemic. In the US, they'd be crazy not to. They are in an arms race, after all.
Well at least so many of the leftists on here are finally acknowledging that Transgenders have mental help issues.
yeah I saw how the leftist news organizations are trying hard to hide that it was a trans person!
And here is why these mass shooting will be a recurring tragedy...
*Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) is calling for prayers and more guns in schools following a mass shooting at a Nashville elementary school that left three students and three teachers dead on Monday.*
The way to fix mass shootings at schools is to bring more guns...
Just like the way to beat cancer is to offer more cigarettes...
Therefore, when you posted increasing funding for mental health as a solution for tragedies like this, you were being totally insincere.
Good to know that is the nature of right-wing discourse about this national tragedy.
Fighto when it comes out in a few days that this person was on some type of police watch list then how are you going to feel? If the police cops of intervened.
This is now the 2nd transgender mass killer and the other one the police also knew about because he/she had been arrested a year before for threatening to blow up a building.
you know the leftist forget the news especially when it’s one of their own committing these heinous crimes.
Because it has to do with China, so it’s a totally different but a very important and serious geopolitical threat, so it’s definitely in the long run a bigger threat.
No, I was not, but nice try.
As you know, early reports are often misleading/confusing/wrong.
This article now reads:
I believe you were sincere. But it just shows that you've bought the lie the people you vote for have been telling you; that this is a mental health issue. While they consistently vote against bills to increase access to, and funding for mental health care.
Even though few mentally ill people are violent and less violence is caused by mentally ill people.
According to the Gun Violence Archive, there have been 129 mass shootings in the U.S. this year. The organization defines a mass shooting as a minimum of four people shot — either injured or killed — not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured.
Say what you want about American competitiveness, but we're still way globally dominant in gun manufacturing, sales, and mass shootings.
The oh-so-smart media can’t even figure out if he was a she or she was a he. They’re calling he/she/it/them a trans-gender female, but saying it was a woman now living as a male.
I can’t keep up with this stuff.
Is this toxic masculinity, since there is no toxic feminity?
Title a bit misleading, isnt?
I opened the article exactly to see what kind of cold hearted woman would do this.
But it turned out to be another man.
I'm so glad that MacArthur collected all guns in Japan after the war, and then in the early 60s the government made guns basically illegal to own. (I know that riffles can be owned, but that is basically limited to farmers who have to protect themselves from bears and wild boars.)
The second out of how many? Several hundred mass shootings? What a pathetic attempt at legitimizing your anti-trans bigotry.
As suspected, as soon as the word 'trans' came up, gun rights advocates have used it to distract from the actual issue, which is that there are far too many guns in the United States, and they are readily, easily and cheaply available to basically anyone.
Thoughts and prayers, everyone. Because that'll help. /s
I get it, fodder for their base, fair enough
Well, the Dems had all three branches of government until this year, they could easily passed it and they didn’t. Sorry, no one believes that, again, the Dems know that’s the end of their party if they went that route..
Exactly, so it’s more of a gang problem and community problem then.
So you are saying we need to police and be more aggressive in obtaining illegal guns (which are the primary problem) in these gang-infested communities where the crime is overwhelmingly off the charts.
3 [more] innocent dead children in the good ol’ US of A. “ The “best” country in the world “.
The US doesn't have any more homicidal sociopaths than other countries, it's just that they have access to guns and, hence, can go on killing sprees that would be impossible in other countries.
Americans need psychological therapy more than japan. If a major group of population proud to keep strong weapons in their home and even proud to shoot around, it’s fair to say the society is sick. It’s impossible to change mind set and legislations in USA since the country is managed and governed by the lobbies, not by the elected government. And also elected governments can only be elected if they have support of lobbies. So these psycho murders cannot be stopped.
This isn't even news anymore; it's just "a daily occurance in the US". That's how bad it's gotten - to the point where we're all just desensitized and resigned to the fact that this is now the new norm in US schools. But hey, let's keep and protect fiercely the 2nd Amendment because that's what's important here, right? Right? Not the lives of innocent children whose lives were snuffed out at the tender ages of 9. SMDH.
bass and Flight Deck,
Yeah, I think you're right on those points re Democrats and gun control. Thanks, I'll try to refine my arguments.
Of course. I hate gangs. They're a huge problem where I'm from. But I'm talking about the access to legal weapons. They must be made much harder to obtain, through licensing, expanded background checks, red flag laws, storage laws, purchase limits and waiting periods. And, of course, repealing the Second Amendment which is the cause of all this.
Semantics, they had majorities and did nothing to pass gun laws reforms, so blame them.
Ok, so that’s your and lefts excuse for not passing gun reform? Lol
Thank heavens! But again, so why didn’t the Democrats pass gun reform? The weather? Going after Trump?? Which one? Pushing wokeness and gender issues?
Well, look how their largest voting block lives, so I’m in full agreement with you. Maybe there would be less guns if the left didn’t declare war on the cops, now there’s a thought!
This isn't a gun rights issue, it's a social decay problem. It's only relatively recently in the US's history that we've seen all these mass shootings. The problem is very complex, but in large part it includes family breakdown and the resulting loss of both a father and mother's influence and guidance, the rise of the welfare state, shipping jobs offshore, heavy prescription of psychotherapeutic drugs to patch over symptoms instead of resolving causes to mental health problems, etc.
The church targeted in this may have played a part in this shooter's behaviour, or may be a (partial) scapegoat for other issues. The details may come out later, but I doubt we'll get to learn all of it.
Ultimately I think banning certain weapons won't solve the underlying problem, as angry people will still look for other means to wreak havoc. And I think guns are the main reason why the US hasn't devolved into full-blown authoritarianism already. As awful as their governments are, those governments are afraid of guns in the hands of citizens. Not a popular opinion on this board, but that's not my problem.
How does the right react? Protect the 2nd and ensure no one is talking about new gun laws.
We can, but the Dems need to also talk about mental health, otherwise neither side will come to the table and it really doesn’t matter what the libs say or think, so we debate all the issues or none.
Right, because there are no bigots in the church. That's for sure.
No, it's a gun problem.
And coincidentally, only relatively recently have so many American's owned so many guns.
No it isn't. Strengthening gun laws fixes the problem.
Other countries have those issues, but the don't have the same mass shootings as the US. So, this isn't the problem.
Scroll up for a typical right-wing talking points about health care.
Republicans block more comprehensive funding for health care and effective gun controls.
Both are needed, full stop.
The left does little to address the mental health problem because only the mentally ill and the terminally stupid would vote for them. Solving the problem would deprive them of a huge chunk of their supporters.
I haven't heard of anyone being anti-Christian.
Quite interesting how some media say the killer was a man and some it was a woman. Like to know why they did it.
If it means gutting private healthcare to help fund full implementation of government healthcare, they should definitely block it.
Dems will never go for it, we know and they know it.
Have countries with stricter gun control laws devolved into full-blown authoritarianism?
Yep. Thoughts and prayers.
I just hope the conspiracy theorists don’t start spouting filth again. Insult upon injury and death.
They aren't freely available. You have to pay about $1200 for a new one and about $600 for a used one.
I have no issue with reasonable gun access laws. But I doubt any would have prevented this sick person from doing their attack.
BTW, there are other societies that harm children at school.
Most of the gun deaths and violence are at the hands of gangs and other criminals, and a large proportion of those are in poor urban areas under ....Democrat administration...in cities and states with ostensibly the tightest gun laws. But that's just inconvenient information, so it's safe to ignore. Oddly enough, it's those areas where family breakdown is at its worst, where there are huge numbers of welfare-dependent fatherless kids.
Of course. But the problem of guns, the common denominator, is the more relevant one, from which you are distancing and distracting from. Male/female, white/black, democrat/republican, old/young; it's all guns. It's not my fault if you can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
Watching the news! Man this dude who looked like a lady planned the attack, had detailed maps of the school and now just waiting to have their manifesto released.
Another mass shooting in a gun free zone! Go figure!!
Prayers to the victims 3 adults and 3 children.
Wow, not only are right wingers doing everything in their power to make sure nothing changes, they also see this as an opportunity to attack transgender people.
What a group of winners.
Readers, this thread will be closed for discussion for about two hours.
To what identity group does the shooter who committed this religious hate crime factually belong to again?
So that makes it okay to attack all members of said group? This is a very bad argument to make.
Also, how do you know it was a hate crime? You don't.
Those who rail against "identity politics", are the first to focus on identity.
Universal Health care.
Having gun control at at least the same level as getting a driver's license in the US.
The solutions are not difficult and are de riguer in many nations but entrenched oligarchic funded interests will oppose them at every turn.
Cards fan yes it doe’s because this is the 2nd such mass killing from said trans individuals
This person was clearly motivated by far left ideology like so many of the latest mass shooters have been.
lol The third out of how many mass shootings this year? 140. Silly argument.
Clearly? Then prove it.
So many? Which ones?
Actually this is 4th mass shooting recently with the similar violent leftist transgender/non binary activism involved.
trend, pattern, whatever. Needs to be looked into.
The 4th of how many this year? How many in the last decade?
98% of mass shooters are men. Should we be attacking all men then?
lol Sure thing.
And coincidentally, only relatively recently have so many American's owned so many guns.
Red states have higher gun murders than blue states.
Having tight gun laws is good, but if the neighboring state doesn't, then they can be circumvented.
Yes, when you start contradicting nature and science that’s exactly what will happen.
Never will happen and give the government more autonomy over my life? Nope.
Yeah, no…the average American and rightly so doesn’t trust government, they’re already encroaching more than enough on our civil liberties. That’s enough.
Guns are the gods in the USA. One nation, thinks it's better than God. Under the gun. With liberty and justice for none.
And vice versa, of course.
Number of trans homicides doubled over 4 years, with gun killings fueling increase: Advocates - ABC News (go.com)
the one who’s right to exist is denied by the church in question.
Sure, right after you start locking up all guys who do. Rightwing logic on full display.
Are they more or less violent than all the male terrorists?
Blame the victims. Blame transgender and non-binary. But according to right-wingers never blame guns and the lack of sensible gun laws in most states.
The protection of young schoolchildren at schools must be a number one priority and need more sensible gun laws.
Why do people separate themselves with labels that just seem to cause conflict?
Surely, that is the point.
The murder of children seems to be the main focus here and not gender pronouns or left or right
Wallace can a gun shoot by itself? Didn’t think so! Did the gun wake up drive itself to this school and kill? Or the mentally unstable trans person pull the trigger?
yeah, keep telling an already marginalized group that you’re coming for them and then pretend to be shocked and outraged when they believe you.
The defense lawyer (and no one else) did that. Despite the shooter's history of homophobic language, hateful comments towards the LGBTQ community, being an administrator of a neo-Nazi website, and rainbow colored shooting targets in his apartment.
Former neighbor says Club Q suspect 'hated' LGBTQ community | 9news.com
Police found rainbow-colored target, map of Club Q in suspect's apartment (coloradosun.com)
As for those two others, as one of whom is the subject of this article (Wow, SO many!! - although zero is a much better number), you'll have to provide links to remind us. They all kind of blur, sadly. Please and thank you.
so it was a hate crime specifically against the people who deny them, huh?
I think liberals don’t know what to say because what happened as tragic and sad as it is, what happened need fit the liberal narrative and it didn’t meet their standards as to who they actually thought the perpetrator was: a white female, liberal transgender. Now like a wriggling fish caught up on dry land flopping around they’re trying to dodge and pivot the issue back to guns. I should be surprised, but nope.
Just another day in America. But hey, the killer could have done it with a water noodle or non-oil fryer, so it's not about the kids.
A shooter without a gun can shoot no one. Not even sensible gun laws in most states.
Tennessee Gun Laws
As of July 1, 2021, an adult can carry a handgun, openly or concealed, in Tennessee without a permit, if the person is: 21 or older (or 18 or older for certain military members)
Tennessee does not require a permit to carry a firearm, whether openly or concealed. If you want to carry a gun openly or concealed in public in Tennessee, you don't need a permit. As of July 1, 2021, Tennessee is a permit-less carry state.
The US has the highest rate of gun homicides among the G7 countries. Something to be shamed about.
A gun without a shooter can shoot no one.
I mean "not about the guns"
More mass shootings than days this year, and as established, an incredibly small percentage of those perpetrated by trans people, but it's a trans issue. Along with the daily background gun violence that doesn't qualify as 'mass'. Points for trying, though.
It is absolutely about the kids.
Don’t worry the 2nd amendment is going nowhere. We need just to heavily enforce the law already on the books, particularly in the highest minority crime areas, don’t demonize and defund the police.
Blacklabel: "A gun without a shooter can shoot no one."
Exactly! So what's the point of guns at all? Why make them if there should be no shooter? But you can't answer that, because you know full well guns are the problems. You can say knives are equally as useful in killing, but show me a video of you cutting your steak with an automatic rifle, please, or using one to open a package, cut some bread, etc. All other things you guys try to irrationally equate to guns serve a purpose that is NOT killing. Guns serve no purpose BUT to kill.
bass4funk: "It is absolutely about the kids."
That was a mistake on my part. I meant it's not about the guns. And since you agree it's about the kids, why not surrender your 21 guns you own for the sake of children? You're not defending any, but you're certainly endangering them by having the guns. I think anyone who wants guns should have to see the photos, video, and listen to the calls and dispatch recordings of every single school massacre (that would be... how many this year so far?) before they can continue trying to get one. If they still want a gun after all that, lock them up and throw away the key.
But hey, bass... we'll see you again on tomorrow's mass shooting.
Yes, it was a hate crime. Committed by Trans alum of the school whom one would assume chose it deliberately. What’s your point, Blacklabel?
mine is that the “anti-Christian bigotry” argument is a load of crap. The same bad faith argument made by Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz right before they try to impose some good ol’ fashioned religion on the country. These are violent responses from people who belong to groups the religious right is explicitly targeting. There is nothing “out of the blue” happening here. You threaten, they believe you. What’s so complicated about this?
So is gun violence in America.
And so America's love affair with guns continues... and more children die. What will it take for that country to make gun ownership illegal, or at least restrict the sales to those who actually need them: farmers, for example...
I don’t think you are really qualified here.
You seem to get your info from rightwing podcasters.
Not serious. Like reading Alex Berenson followers on scientific matters.