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Swedish embassy in Baghdad stormed; set alight over Koran burning

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Sweden is a peaceful nation and not compatible to Islam.

Importing it, en masse, was a serious mistake.

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Sweden is a peaceful and civilized country (I have lived there - ) you can burn the Bible - most Christians would not be bothered...my folks lived in Bagdad - my folks have fond memories of the place...harming people should be a crime in any country regardless of culture or religion - harming pages of a book...come on...it's printed material...it's not sacred - you can print as many as you like...if it were sacred - wouldn't it have stopped itself from burning?

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The United States also condemned it, but added that Sweden's issuing of the permit supported freedom of expression and was not an endorsement of the action.

So, the U.S. condemned freedom of expression?

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So much violence and hatred over a book. Religion suppose to teach men being humble, have kindness and co-exist with one another.

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Why is the US opinion on this event included? It occurred in the Swedish embassy in Iraq. Other countries mentioned are Muslim. Does Japan always need the word of its overlord?

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WandoraToday  12:57 pm JST

Does Japan always need the word of its overlord?

Japan is not even mentioned in the article. What are you going on about?

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For what it's worth, even as a generally secular guy, I agree with and support many of the ideas expressed in Islam, particularly the patriarchal themes and role of strong men in society. Evidently, these ideas are timeless.

However, the weak and spineless European leaders did not import role model Muslim men; they imported savages.

Said savages from parts of Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia saw Western European rejection of gun ownership, embrace of LGBTQ values, and laws against "hate speech" as a sign of weakness to be exploited. And boy they did. People quickly forgot just how horrifying the Bataclan massacre and New Years Eve Cologne riots were. Since then, it has been memory-holed so people can endlessly drone on about the utter tragedy that was January 6th.

Poland and Hungary made the correct choice on rejecting pressure from Brussels on open borders immigration.

Sweden and Italy are also wisely starting to move on that direction, all while London and Paris continue to get worse and worse.

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This madness (violence under the pretext of hurt to religious feelings) will pass in the following decades as humans gradually wake up to the real problems threatening our planet.

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Its just a book - and not a very logical, scientific or well reasoned one at that. I don't see the problem with burning a holy book - be it a Bible, Koran or Buddhist sacred text. It's just paper.

These Iraqis storming the embassy are simply violent terrorists.

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Correction WolfShine:

While Paris burns, over & over again.
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This madness (violence under the pretext of hurt to religious feelings) will pass in the following decades as humans gradually wake up to the real problems threatening our planet.

No it won't. Do you actually believe warring factions that have been going at it for thousands of years will stop fighting to combat, what I believe you are implying is, climate change? Right now many Western countries are implementing futile actions that do nothing to actually reduce the problem of carbon emissions all while hurting farmers and small businesses, as well as passing on the costs of these measures to the little guy. At the same time, the world's true polluters don't care and continue to pollute. I guess such a sentiment is truly emblematic of the crowd that bought into the whole Trump-Russia connection theory.

Its just a book - and not a very logical, scientific or well reasoned one at that. I don't see the problem with burning a holy book - be it a Bible, Koran or Buddhist sacred text. It's just paper.

I don't agree. While I support free speech and freedom of expression, that still doesn't mean we should purposefully antagonize each other by intentionally attacking the parts of people's cultures that they hold most sacred. And despite Japan supposedly guaranteeing freedom of speech in the constitution, I'm not sure you would necessarily hold the same standard if it was someone from overseas coming to Japan and running around joking about the atomic bombings. Of course people have a legal right to do certain things but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem with doing said things.

Correction WolfShine:

While Paris burns, over & over again.

This is true. In terms of the recent riots, it's not solely the Algerians fault. The French have been repeatedly burning down Paris since the late 18th century. So if that's the example you set, why wouldn't others join in? It's like a crackhouse. If you don't respect your own home, no one else will.

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middle ages mentality?

highly likely so!

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At the end of the day, the Koran is just another addition to idolatry. And such actions rather prove that. It seems like all religions degenerate into idolatry in the end. Probably because human beings are not up to job. As Alan Watts said, “The common error of ordinary religious practice is to mistake the symbol for the reality, to look at the finger pointing the way and then to suck it for comfort rather than follow it."

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Interesting, I don't see any women in the picture of the protests.

Too many restrictions on women and happiness in some beliefs. Too much power for men. That's why they're scared when someone starts publicly protesting against their open beating and humiliation of women and girls.

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Islam and the use of politically and religiously-motivated violence goes back to the early history of that religon. Its beginnings are found in the behavior, sayings, and rulings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, his companions, and the first caliphs in the 7th, 8th, and 9th centuries AD. So-called mainstream muslim law stipulates detailed regulations for the use of violence, including corporal and capital punishment, as well as how, when, and against whom to wage war.

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For what it's worth, even as a generally secular guy, I agree with and support many of the ideas expressed in Islam, particularly the patriarchal themes and role of strong men in society. Evidently, these ideas are timeless.

You mean you like the bits in the Qur'an that support outdated views on women?

'Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great.'

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FredrikToday 12:37 pm JST

The United States also condemned it, but added that Sweden's issuing of the permit supported freedom of expression and was not an endorsement of the action.

So, the U.S. condemned freedom of expression?

You can condemn the action without condemning the permitting of the action.

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@Ah_so, you are selectively choosing one passage and trying to use that to generalize a culture of like a billion people. I've noticed it's common for people to make use of this sort of tactic when it comes to discussing the Quran and the Bible in particular - not so much with the Talmud, though. Wonder why that is.

Reread my earlier comment - I specifically pointed out the Cologne riots and the Bataclan massacre as examples of what can happen when you let the exact wrong group of Muslims into your country, which is what the EU countries did. All that NATO spending and buildup has yet to protect them from the threats inside their own borders.

The progressive philosophy of the West is exactly what led to this problem. The emasculation of the Western man thanks to leftism and modern feminism created the power vacuum that is currently being occupied by unsavory forces. Moreover, relatively benign Liberal philosophy of America's beloved Obama morphed into something more akin to Maoist Cultural Revolutionary antics pretty quickly. They are another group trying to exploit said power vacuum.

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@Ah_so, you are selectively choosing one passage and trying to use that to generalize a culture of like a billion people. I've noticed it's common for people to make use of this sort of tactic when it comes to discussing the Quran and the Bible in particular - not so much with the Talmud, though. Wonder why that is.

Of course it's common to do so. The Qur'an is meant to be the literal word of God, as spoken via the Angel Gabriel to an illiterate merchant. Each part of it should be able to stand by itself. And if that section teaches that women are basically the possessions of men and that they can be physically corrected for disobedience, then I know what that god stands for.

I do not think that "modern feminism" has caused any great loss to society - in fact, quite the opposite. Only weak men are threatened by women having equal rights to men.

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Good luck Sweden

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It’s interesting really when you see the rankings of countries that most adhere to Islamic ideals. I don’t claim to know anything about Islam, but majority Muslim countries appear nowhere near the top.

http://islamicity-index.org/wp/latest-indices-2022/

The quote at the top is interesting too.

“I went to the West and saw Islam, but no Muslims; I got back to the East and saw Muslims, but no Islam.” (Mohammad Abduh)

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There is an angle most seem to be missing. The Arab press is saying the protesters belonged to one of Muqtada al Sadr. I think that is relevant. He has been is a sort of political wilderness looking to be relevant again after the mullah who once granted him a fatwa to hold political office withdrew his fatwa and told al Sadr's followers to follow a grand ayatollah in Iran instead. That is why he resigned from the Iraqi Parliament and told his party members to resign. It is a peculiar feature of Iraqi politics that partied need a mullah behind them to be legitimate. Al Sadr was basically kneecapped and had to resign along with all of his party. Since then he has been looking for a way to become relevant again. So what I think you see here is an attempt by al Sadr and his remaining followers to find their voice again.

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I should have finished my sentence and said the protesters belonged to one of Muqtada al Sadr's militias.

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Only weak men are threatened by women having equal rights to men.

That is an undisputed fact !

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This madness (violence under the pretext of hurt to religious feelings) will pass in the following decades as humans gradually wake up to the real problems threatening our planet.

No it won't. Do you actually believe warring factions that have been going at it for thousands of years will stop fighting to combat, what I believe you are implying is, climate change?

No, I'm implying the decline of Islam as a cause passionnée for millions living precarious lives of desperation in highly dysfunctional societies that have been left behind by global capitalism and, who in their present adverse circumstances, have only Allah to turn to in their misery, as formulated in the famous quote: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

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