world

Syria rebels win support from Britain, battle in Damascus

48 Comments

The requested article has expired, and is no longer available. Any related articles, and user comments are shown below.

© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2012.

©2023 GPlusMedia Inc.

48 Comments
Login to comment

the opposition Syrian National Coalition, set up this month to boost their chances of securing foreign aid and arms, as the Syrian people’s legitimate representative.

Legitimate according to whom? According to France and the UK, but not according to the Syrian people since nobody in Syria voted for them.

two mortar rounds hit the Information Ministry building in Damascus

If two mortar rounds were fired on civilian government buildings in say Washington DC or London I'm pretty sure those governments would call it terrorism too. Certainly Israel uses that standard.

Dogan news agency reported that two anti-aircraft missiles fired from Syria had struck a vegetable market and a road in the border district of Turkey’s Hatay province on Tuesday.

Fired by whom?

The Al Qaeda rebels are certainly causing mayhem across Syria.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

but not according to the Syrian people since nobody in Syria voted for them.

Yes, Assad and his father certainly are and were popular. It is hard to argue with them getting 100% of the vote and winning every presidential election they've been in. Or, is it?

Fired by whom?

Does it matter to you? When in the past it was found to be the Syrian Army, you had nothing further to say.

The Al Qaeda rebels

You have been claiming 100% of the rebels are al-Qaeda and foreign, Could you prove it already?

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Dogan news agency reported that two anti-aircraft missiles fired from Syria had struck a vegetable market and a road in the border district of Turkey’s Hatay province on Tuesday.

Most of the border areas are already controlled by the Al Qaeda rebels. So the natural question is who is launching all these "stray" shells and bullets into Turkey?

Just goes to show the mindset of the Islamic rebels, as they'll stop at nothing, including attacking innocent civilians to further their agenda.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

So the natural question is who is launching all these "stray" shells and bullets into Turkey?

What if it is the Syrian Army again? What will you say then?

You have been claiming 100% of the rebels are al-Qaeda and foreign, Could you prove it already?

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Could you prove it already?

No need to prove what is very clear to anyone who has dissected the aftermaths of these kind of incidents before.

Local Syrians do not have the infrastructure, comms technology, fuel, supplies or intel to launch a campaign like this. Simple as that/

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Simple as that

It must not be that simple as you did not answer my question.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

History repeats itself, again and again

0 ( +3 / -3 )

It must not be that simple as you did not answer my question.

Go do your own research.

It will help you to have a better understanding of the situation rather than asking me to spoon-feed you.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

Go do your own research.

How do you know I haven't? What research do you think would lead me to believe 100% of the rebels are foreign and members of al-Qaeda. Do please share.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Anybody who has a basic understanding of military matters knows that it's ridiculous to believe that a few "local" protestors with rusty hunting rifles could not possibly challenge a fully equipped modern army, especially not by just picking up stray bullets off the ground.

The rebels are heavily armed, trained and led. Financed by Saudi Arabia, led by top notch Croat and Serb mercenary commanders and manned by ruthless experienced Islamic fighters, many of whom fought in the Libya campaign.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Anybody who has a basic understanding of military matters knows

No one said anything like what you have written. Why are you creating arguments to counter instead of countering what is written? No one has described the rebels in the way you have. I think it is clear that the opposition started out as a homegrown protest against Assad and further that it is not the first. Assad and his father have a history of killing protesters and jailing anyone who criticizes him or his family dictatorship government.

by top notch Croat and Serb mercenary commanders

Name one.

While you are at it, please show your evidence that 100% of the rebels are al-Qaeda and foreign.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

The world saw what happened in Egypt. The same thing is happening in Syria. The results will be the same as in Egypt.

The West don't know who they are siding with and by providing supports for the rebels shows that the West wants Assad out and they want to help the rebel. That's the story of the West. Whose to say that 10-40 years from now the same thing would happened to the persons who the West is supporting now in overthrowing Assad.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

This coming out in support party Hague (what a tool) is obviously a hastily arranged reaction to the proclamation of an Islamic state by groups fighting in Aleppo.

The blatant timing of it demonstrates how desperate some countries that are increasingly insignificant on the world stage are to make their mark. In this case, at the expense of the Syrians.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

obviously a hastily arranged reaction to the proclamation of an Islamic state by groups fighting in Aleppo.

How so? There is nothing mentioned here or anywhere about Britain approving of or supporting an Islamic state.

The blatant timing of it demonstrates how desperate some countries that are increasingly insignificant on the world stage are to make their mark.

Britain is an increasing insignificant country on the world stage? Since when?

1 ( +2 / -1 )

slumdogNov. 21, 2012 - 02:39PM JST : How so? There is nothing mentioned here or anywhere about Britain approving of or supporting an Islamic state.

The rebels also received a diplomatic lift with Britain officially recognizing the opposition Syrian National Coalition, set up this month to boost their chances of securing foreign aid and arms, as the Syrian people’s legitimate representative.

Although the rebels have taken large swathes of land, they are almost defenseless against the government’s air force. They have called for an internationally enforced no-fly zone, a measure that helped Libyan rebels overthrow dictator Moammar Gadhafi last year.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Britain is an increasing insignificant country on the world stage? Since when?

Since the American revolution.

There is nothing mentioned here or anywhere about Britain approving of or supporting an Islamic state.

Obviously the comment addresses an attempt to counter the announcement by the Islamists, thereby legitimizing the stance of supporting the rebels by Britain and France against the growing clout of Islamists, which threatens to lift the veil on the West's charade.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

@Slumdog;

Regarding the rebels being led by Croat and Serb commanders, this information is well sourced and properly documented on Wikipedia.

The Islamic rebels are certainly not short of cash has they can afford best mercenaries from around the world.

Not only that, the rebel are trying to entice Syrian soldiers to switch sides by offering lucrative payment in US cash.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Regarding the rebels being led by Croat and Serb commanders

I apologize. It seems my question was overly complicated. I will try again:

Name one Croat or Serb commander that is leading the rebels.

While you are at it, please show your evidence that 100% of the rebels are al-Qaeda and foreign.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

slumdogNov. 21, 2012 - 03:56PM JST : While you are at it, please show your evidence that 100% of the rebels are al-Qaeda and foreign.

You assume that "The Al Qaeda rebels" translate to your thinking of "show your evidence that 100% of the rebels are al-Qaeda and foeign." You are putting words into the person mouth. What makes you believe otherwise that some of the rebels and foreigners are not AQ?

0 ( +1 / -1 )

You assume

I did not and do not assume anything. Never Submit claimed all of the rebels were both foreign and al-Qaeda. I am just asking for evidence of this.

What makes you believe otherwise that some of the rebels and foreigners are not AQ?

Nothing. I never said anything to the contrary. Perhaps you are assuming too much?

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Like the fools they are, the British government is rushing in the same ill-advised direction that the US and France are.

Do they really want another Muslim-Brotherhood run, Al-Quaeda breeding Shariah regime in Syria? Or are they really stupid enough not to realize who they are supporting?

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Name one Croat or Serb commander that is leading the rebels.

I can't I only referenced the information from Wikipedia. I admit I personally don't know the names of any of them.

These "gotcha" questions are getting a little ridiculous.

Can personally name any of the Syrian police officers that (allegedly) shot at innocent protesters? Can you give me their full name?

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

I admit I personally don't know the names of any of them.

Hmmm. Perhaps they do not exist then.

These "gotcha" questions are getting a little ridiculous.

Now that you mention it:

Please show your evidence that 100% of the rebels are al-Qaeda and foreign.

Can personally name any of the Syrian police officers

I do not have any information suggesting that anyone was arrested for that. So, how would I have there names? See, the difference is you are claiming people exist that is not publically known. That fact that Syrian soldier and police officers exist is not in question. You suggested you specifically knew of Croat and Serb commanders leading the rebels. I would assume you actually knew who they were. You don't? How do you know they even exist? Perhaps you are overspeaking your case to the point it has left the rails of reality?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

slumdogNov. 21, 2012 - 04:27PM JST : I did not and do not assume anything. Never Submit claimed all of the rebels were both foreign and al-Qaeda. I am just asking for evidence of this.

His full comment was, "The Al Qaeda rebels are certainly causing mayhem across Syria." You quote him on, "The Al Qaeda rebels" He did not claim "all of the rebels were both foreign and al-Qaeda."

His post was the first. Your response to his was the second one.

It is understood that AQ rebels also exists. The other rebels who are not AQ exists too.

Nothing. I never said anything to the contrary. Perhaps you are assuming too much?

It was not an assumption. It was a question.

Syria: Aleppo declaration raises fear of Al Qaeda-inspired groups joining rebels @ http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1289708--syrian-islamist-rebels-reject-opposition-coalition-declare-aleppo-islamic-state

Fears of the growing influence of Al Qaeda-inspired groups inside Syria increased Monday with the release of video claiming the embattled city of Aleppo is now an “Islamic state” and that 13 radical factions jointly rejected the country’s new opposition coalition.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

skipbeat,

Why did you make me waste my time when you could have checked yourself?

slumdogNov. 19, 2012 - 10:06PM JST Yes or no, are all the Syrian rebels members of al-Qaeda? Just yes or no, no decorations.

NeverSubmitNov. 19, 2012 - 11:52PM JST I've answered your question countless times, but for good measure; Yes! The rebels are Al Qaeda (There, I said it for the billionth time) Yes! The rebels are Terrorists (This has been established countless times) Yes! The Syrian Army is fighting Al Qaeda (I don't know why you doubted this as it's been widely reported)

skipbeatNov. 21, 2012 - 05:07PM JST

It is understood that AQ rebels also exists. The other rebels who are not AQ exists too.

You do not have to tell me, tell Never Submit.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

slumdogNov. 21, 2012 - 05:14PM JST : skipbeat, Why did you make me waste my time when you could have checked yourself?

NS comment was not made under this article. ???

He got half right about the rebels. Some of the rebels are AQ. It was recently that the other rebels who are not AQ joined forces.

Syria: Aleppo declaration raises fear of Al Qaeda-inspired groups joining rebels @ http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1289708--syrian-islamist-rebels-reject-opposition-coalition-declare-aleppo-islamic-state

Calling it a “foreign project,” the Islamist organizations say they are suspicious of the opposition group, which emerged after the Nov. 11 talks in Doha, Qatar. The National Coalition, which was formed under the guidance of the Gulf Arab countries, Turkey and the U.S., replaces the former political group that had little credibility within Syria.

Again the West and Middle East have their own idea of who should rule Syria after Assad. The AQ have their own idea.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Again the West and Middle East have their own idea of who should rule Syria after Assad. The AQ have their own idea.

Yes, and the West should not have been meddling in the first place, which opened the door to AQ and other radical factions.

Russia and China have adopted the correct and reasonable stance on this issue, while the West is hellbent on hegemony.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

NS comment was not made under this article. ???

He has been insisting that all the rebels are both foreign and members of al-Qaeda for a long time now it seems.

He got half right about the rebels. Some of the rebels are AQ.

Actually, he did not get it right at all. As I said, he is insisting all the rebels are al-Qaeda and all the rebels are non-Syrians. Do you agree with this? I do not see any evidence to support the 100% al-Qaeda or the 100% foreign argument.

Some of the rebels are AQ.

Yes, I agree. But the opposition did not start with al-Qaeda that I have seen. Al-Qaeda has taken advantage of the conflict to inject themselves into it.

It was recently that the other rebels who are not AQ joined forces.

I know the rebels are not only members of AQ. Again, NS is the one saying that they are only members of AQ and that they are only non-Syrians. Again, if you have a problem with this argument, as I do, talk to him.

Again the West and Middle East have their own idea of who should rule Syria after Assad. The AQ have their own idea.

I would agree with this. There are factions such as SNC that also do not want things to go the way of AQ. However, a few, such as NS, think every rebel is a member of AQ and every rebel is non-Syrian. I am kind of getting tired of reading him write this with no evidence whatsoever.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Yes, and the West should not have been meddling in the first place, which opened the door to AQ and other radical factions.

Actually, Assad's response to the protesters, killing them, and his response to critics of him and his government, jailing them is the direct reason things have gotten to the point that AQ and other radical factions have been able to slip in through the open door.

Russia and China have adopted the correct and reasonable stance on this issue, while the West is hellbent on hegemony.

Neither Russia nor China are hellbent on any sort of hegemony? That is certainly a rose-colored view of things. Kind of one-sided, too.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Assad was never willing, nor able to provide democracy, or peace to Syria. It may have been 'quiet' under Assad, but it was clearly not what the people of Syria wanted, nor 'all they are capable of', as is the implication, I believe, in the Pro-Assad position, which smacks of racist undertones.

It is also, I have to say, quite amusing and not just a little ironic that the pro-Assad posters here do so from the comfort of their warm and comfy democratic home base. Wiht their computer, and freedom of speech. If Mr Assad's style of government is so appealing, I'm sure they would be happy to have you folks. Just leave those things at the door on the way in.

The people of Syria, who will ultimately get to vote for what they want once he has gone, will then get to decide in a democratic way, what they want.

That will not include the foreign jihadists, who may have come for the fight, but certainly aren't in the majority, and certainly won't be allowed to have a hand in forming government. The majority of Syrians won't allow it, nor will the 'extended' parties.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Fallacy - The rebels are local fathers who spontaneously picked up shovels and axes, a few rusty rifles and spare bullets off the ground and challenged a fully equipped professional modern army.

Reality - The rebels are not Syrian at all, they flowed in via Turkey, armed to the teeth with the best small arms in the world and with the training and experience to use them properly. They were also well financed with cash from Saudi Arabia and recruited top mercenaries and Jihadists from North Africa and elsewhere.

Fallacy - People in Syria love the Al Qaeda Rebels and are suddenly fleeing their own government

Reality - As Al Qaeda invades more territory the refugee count increases concurrently, because the locals are scared to death of the rebels since the rebels follow no laws, have no respect for the local people and are willing to commit atrocities at a whim and have been known to do so. Case in point is when the FSA threw postal workers off of buildings in Aleppo and forced citizens to watch in order to terrorize them into submission.

Fallacy - Western governments can't sleep at night because they love the Syrian people and want no harm to come to them.

Reality - Western governments want Syria's oil, regardless of the cost in human lives.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

The rebels are local fathers who spontaneously picked up shovels and axes, a few rusty rifles and spare bullets off the ground and challenged a fully equipped professional modern army.

You are the only person suggesting this. Eyewitness accounts suggest something quite different. Seeing you are using Wikipedia for info - read it and tell me what it says about the rebels. Actually, I'll get the info for you. Here is what it says.

In late July 2011, a web video featuring a group of uniformed men claiming to be defected Syrian Army officers proclaimed the formation of a Free Syrian Army (FSA). In the video, the men called upon Syrian soldiers and officers to defect to their ranks, and said the purpose of the Free Syrian Army was to defend protesters from violence by the state.[10] Many Syrian soldiers subsequently deserted to join the FSA.[246] The actual number of soldiers who defected to the FSA is uncertain, with estimates ranging from 1,000 to over 25,000 as of December 2011.[247] Nir Rosen, who spent time with the FSA in Syria, claims the majority of its members are civilians rather than defectors, who had taken up arms long before the formation of the FSA was announced.

Not really consistent with your imaginary scenario, is it? Mr Rosen was there - and he is a bit like you, quite anti-imperialist in his general views.

See, you have been, from day 1 trying to morph this conflict into a situation that fits with your general Anti-Imperialist view of the world. 'NeverSubmit', I guess, is something along the lines of a reference to fighting against the lies of major Western powers and their hegemonic agendas. Or whatever. A noble cause, if ever there was one. But in your desperate efforts to bend the truth to meet your agenda you have been caught out time and time again simply making stuff up. Like the above quote for example.

But you have become so obsessed and blinded now, you've kind of lost the plot.

But remember NeverSubmit....you just gotta stop making stuff up.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

a web video featuring a group of uniformed men claiming to be defected Syrian Army officers proclaimed the formation of a Free Syrian Army (FSA)

"Claiming' is the key word there.

Any fool can claim anything on a web video

A Claim does not equal truth.

I suggest you spend less time listening to claims on internet videos and more time researching credible sources.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

A Claim does not equal truth.

I suggest you spend less time listening to claims on internet videos and more time researching credible sources.

Ha ha ha ha! Beautifully ironic! You make claims all the time with absolutely no substantiation whatsoever. " A Claim does not equal truth' - we've been trying to tell you this for months! Your whole argument is based on them!

But this is from Wikipedia NeverSubmit - you used it yourself further up this very thread when talking about Serb and Croat leaders. Has it suddenly become an unreliable source of information? Classic!

Admit it, that quote pretty much puts your argument to bed, doesn't it. Y'know, with Nir Rosen having been there in person n' all? Zzzzzzz........

1 ( +3 / -2 )

But this is from Wikipedia

Wikipedia was correct in using the word "claim" when referring to the video because they (the Wikipedia writers) knew that it was unsubstantiated and questionable information.

The mistake is not Wikipedia's, as they noted doubtfulness of the video properly.

The mistake is yours for misinterpreting "claiming to be" as "is".

It's noteworthy that the internet video you're referring to was released at the same time the Skype-based Damascus blogger was claiming to be in Damascus and reporting on protesters being "shot at".

Of course she (she was actually an man reporting from the UK) was eventually exposed as a complete hoax and all of the claims of protesters being shot at were totally discredited. In other words they were patently false, totally made up.

So since the Damascus Blogger was a hoax how do you know this murky internet video you're referring to is not a hoax either.

Even the writer's at Wikipedia are careful enough not to lend their credibility to it, which indicates its doubtful origin.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

I actually didn't 'interpret' it at all - I just posted it directly from Wiki. You will need to take up your problems with the word 'claim' with them.

What is amusing, however, is that you have completely ignored the rest of the information in the quote and attempted to deflect attention from it with your little aside about the video.

The reporter hung out with the FSA. He said they were comprised more of civilians than army defectors, both of whom you are trying to claim aren't even fighting as Rebels. Kind of makes your claims look a bit silly, doesn't it?

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Nir Rosen, who spent time with the FSA in Syria, claims the majority of its members are civilians

Again, the word "claim".

Note the difference in the following two sentences.

Case A: God approached me in the cafe.

Case B: A man claiming to be God approached me in the cafe.

The two situations are entirely different as case B is the dubious case.

Whoever wrote the Wiki article you're referring to also thought that what this "Nir Rosen" character said is dubious hence the qualifier "claim" is added to his statements.

What "Nir Rosen" said aren't credible, confirmed facts, they are dubious, unsubstantiated statements.

What is amusing, however, is that you have completely ignored the rest of the information

Of course I ignored it, the whole video could very well be (and most likely is) a complete hoax.

The Damascus blogger said some very interesting things, but she (actually a he) was a complete hoax. He was reporting from the UK and not Damascus, in fact he had never been to Syria in his life. So should I trust some of his claims or disregard all of them. Of course, all of them are to be ignored because he faked all his stories about Syrian police firing on protestors. He literally, and by his own admission, made them up. They never happened and after he was caught he admitted that all his stories about Syrian police shooting at innocent protestors were blatantly false.

So yes, I'm ignoring this shady internet video and all the "claims" posted in it.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

I suggest you spend less time listening to claims on internet videos and more time researching credible sources.

Okay. I want to do this. Could you please point me to credible sources in which I can research and find evidence to support your continued claim that all the rebels are members of al-Qaead and all the rebels are non-Syrian?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

in fact he had never been to Syria in his life.

Actually, according to ubikwit, he had.

they are dubious, unsubstantiated statements.

Oo, we better be careful of those kinds of statements. The next thing you know someone here is going to continue to make dubious, unsubstantiated statements claiming all the rebels are members of al-Qaeda and all the rebels are non-Syrian. Oops, you've been doing that, haven't you?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Again, the word "claim

Your examples were not very illustrative.

Nir Rosen, who spent time with the FSA in Syria, claims the majority of its members are civilians rather than defectors, who had taken up arms long before the formation of the FSA was announced.

You can exchange the word 'says' for claims and it still has the same meaning. It is a matter of deciding whether Rosen is credible or not. You have not given anyone any reason to find him not credible.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

You can exchange the word 'says' for claims

You (personally) can, but then you're adding your flavor (or shall we say predetermined bias) to what is written. And hence you fall into the trap of having to back up dubious information.

Once you start replacing words and misquoting people to suit your own interpretations you run into trouble.

As a point of note, for an academic paper, professional journalism or legal documents, quoted statements can NOT be adjusted, changed or altered and there is no "replacing of words".

As for your assertion that the rebels are absent of foreigners and Al Qaeda, I only need to point you to mainstream media. As this has been widely reported by a plethora of major news sources, including American, British, Syrian, Israeli, Russian etc. In fact, nobody seems to be denying it except you.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

but then you're adding your flavor

I hope it tastes good. 'Claim' just means to say something you think is true. You do it all the time. Nothing wrong with the word in this case. Speaking of words:

As for your assertion that the rebels are absent of foreigners and Al Qaeda

You really need to begin to try to read more closely. Right in this very conversation, I acknowledged there are probably elements of foreigners and/or al-Qaeda members amongst the rebels. You claim 100% of the rebels are al-Qaeda members and you claim 100% of the rebels are non-Syrian. Yet you cannot back up this claim. You claim Croat and Serbian commanders are leading the rebels, but you don't have any names. How do you know they are Croat or Serb then? They are commanders, right? Someone must know their names, right? How come you don't?

In fact, nobody seems to be denying it except you.

Since I am not denying it, let's say nobody is denying it straight out. Now back to you:

Could you please point me to credible sources in which I can research and find evidence to support your continued claim that 100% of the rebels are members of al-Qaead and 100% of the rebels are non-Syrian?

Again, your claim is, and you have confirmed this several times as you have said, 100% = all = every one, etc. Not some, etc. Okay, let's have that evidence using credible sources, please.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

@Tamarama

the Pro-Assad position, which smacks of racist undertones.

You mean like in a reverse racism manner?

I think that genetically speaking, this is more about sectarian divisions than race per se, though race is a complex social construction, or so I've read.

Let's reverse this with an analogy that problematizes the position of the West. Let's hypothetically say that the Alewites were in the position of the Tibetans, that is to say, an oppressed minority, and the Sunni majority represents the Han Chinese, trying to assimilate that minority. What would your take on that be?

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

slumdogNov. 21, 2012 - 06:44PM JST : He has been insisting that all the rebels are both foreign and members of al-Qaeda for a long time now it seems.

That's your interpretations. Because everyone have their own interpretations of things when reading comments.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

TamaramaNov. 21, 2012 - 07:36PM JST : It is also, I have to say, quite amusing and not just a little ironic that the pro-Assad posters here do so from the comfort of their warm and comfy democratic home base. Wiht their computer, and freedom of speech. If Mr Assad's style of government is so appealing, I'm sure they would be happy to have you folks. Just leave those things at the door on the way in.

Who are the pro-Assad on JT? Just giving assessments on the issue does not equate to supporting Assad. The West install Assad and now they want to uninstall him. The West are supporting the rebels who they want to install in Assad place. That's democratic?

Do you really think that the next person after Assad is going to be a better pick? Is the person going to stop doing what Assad and others who once was in power did?

The people of Syria, who will ultimately get to vote for what they want once he has gone, will then get to decide in a democratic way, what they want.

You seem to think that democracy results in happiness for everyone just by voting. Democracy is an irony in itself. There will always be winners and losers.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

I acknowledged there are probably elements of foreigners and/or al-Qaeda members amongst the rebels.

Let's assume for a second that your sanitized version of the truth is correct.

So what are foreigners doing in Syria fighting to install a new government? Who invited them? Who is paying their salaries. How did they reach and enter Syria?

Why is Al Qaeda, and by extension its tactics, being tolerated and accepted or perhaps are they being encouraged?

It's impossible for a person to claim both that they support the interests of the Syrian people and at the same time support the presence of Al Qaeda in Syria and allow them to maliciously slaughter the Syrian people.

Just standing by and watching Al Qaeda massacre people and not try to stop them is a crime in itself.

The fact that the French-backed SNC puppet organization does not order it's fighters to immediately turn their guns on Al Qaeda can only lead one to conclude that either;

The French-backed SNC do not care about the fact that Al Qaeda is terrorizing Syrian civilians.

The French-backed SNC want Al Qaeda to create carnage and mayhem so they can gain power for themselves, regardless of the cost in the blood of innocent Syrians.

The French-backed SNC actually have no fighters and are a mere talking club that meets everyday in the most expensive 5-star hotel in Doha at the expense of Western Governments.
-1 ( +0 / -1 )

That's your interpretations

Skip, it is NS's version. Have you noticed he agrees with it? Talk to him if you don't like it.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

NeverSubmit

Slumdog is right, It's really time to put up, or shut up.

Every time you are supplied with sources of information or reports that challenge your position, you dismiss them as dubious. Suddenly, they are 'unreliable'. Even when you use the same source to substantiate parts of your 'argument'. You can't keep those kinds of double standards and remain credible.

So where are these credible sources we are missing? If you can provide them, and prove that all rebels are foreign, or Al Qaida, then I will leave this argument.

If you can provide the sources to prove that this was an entirely foreign instigated uprising, I will leave this argument.

And remember, by demanding 'more credible' sources than we have been, the onus is upon you to do the same.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Login to leave a comment

Facebook users

Use your Facebook account to login or register with JapanToday. By doing so, you will also receive an email inviting you to receive our news alerts.

Facebook Connect

Login with your JapanToday account

User registration

Articles, Offers & Useful Resources

A mix of what's trending on our other sites