Taiwan activates air defense as 37 Chinese aircraft enter its zone

I wonder if China is doing this, at least in part, to drive tourists from Japan, South Korea, etc. away from Taiwan.

That would be a pretty big hit to Taiwan's economy, I would think.

Friends of mine had a baby girl last week. I went to Babies R Us and bought some gifts for them, and deliberately avoided buying anything made in China. I found goods made in Japan and Europe instead.

They cost more, but I always avoid Made in China whenever I can.

A map of Taiwan's overly large self-claimed air defense zone. Southwest of Taiwan is the straight route to the Western Pacific.

https://i1.wp.com/amti.csis.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/adiz_.jpg?w=1196&h=826&ssl=1

Seems new normal, Taiwan has no future, population and capital flight certainly speeding up, China just has to maintain this pressure, time will solve this issue in their favor.

Word's not always what we want, certainly prosperous Democracy in Taiwan far better but just not in the cards. Most of us aren't going to be starting NBA centers either!

If China actually invaded Taiwan, it would basically cripple Beijing. They're going to wage a war to conquer a heavily fortified, mountainous island with incredibly difficult climate conditions? Like they can't launch an airborne invasion - it would have to be amphibious. And once they start a conflict like that it's winner take all; they would need to have taken over the whole island in about a year which is risky. There's no guarantee that they can win.

The US will inevitably block the Strait of Malacca, since it's the only thing they really can do (military intervention against a nuclear superpower that controls their debt is not realistic). That cuts off China from supplies and oil coming from countries other than Russia.

This all points to a relatively obvious reality: Taiwan is lost to China, just as much so as Crimea is lost to Ukraine. The CCP realizes this. The only thing they can do is drop a few bombs, maybe blow up a boat or two, but that's about it.

Taiwan probably could declare independence tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference in the situation.

This all points to a relatively obvious reality: Taiwan is lost to China, just as much so as Crimea is lost to Ukraine.

Oh, so close. You were doing so good and then you made this inaccurate equivalence.

Yes, Taiwan is likely lost to China.

No, Crimea is not lost to Ukraine.

The ADIZ is a broader area Taiwan monitors and patrols.

And has no legal standing whatsoever! China broke no laws and entered no airspace of any other country ( if Taiwan was a country, which it isn't.)

China is going down like USSR for good. Its time to finish with this big prison.

If the PRC wants to ensure a DPP victory it should keep up these mindless provocations.

The Ukraine war is giving China the perfect excuse to escalate their aggressions. But at the same time having such an aggressive China threatening the zone is also giving western countries a very powerful reason to oppose Russia.

ClayToday 02:15 pm JST

Seems new normal, Taiwan has no future, population and capital flight certainly speeding up, China just has to maintain this pressure, time will solve this issue in their favor.

Word's not always what we want, certainly prosperous Democracy in Taiwan far better but just not in the cards. Most of us aren't going to be starting NBA centers either!

You be surprised how long people can resist enslavement. Cuba has been resisting for what, 60 years? And Taiwan won't have the disadvantage being a backwards communist state.

An ADIZ has no legal standing in that it is not defined in any international treaty and is not recognized by any international body.

Any country can declare one and any country can ignore it.

That would be a pretty big hit to Taiwan's economy, I would think.

No. where it would hurt (Americans like to say hit them where it would hurt, which is quite cowardly) would be trade with China, and the Chinese in Taiwan and the Taiwanese (equivalent to saying Americans in Oklahoma and the Oklahomans) are very well aware of this. Those who have factories in China don’t desire change. The island is divided.

quercetumToday 04:54 pm JST

That would be a pretty big hit to Taiwan's economy, I would think.

No. where it would hurt (Americans like to say hit them where it would hurt, which is quite cowardly) would

Chinese don't fight dirty? I mean genuine question because we haven't seen them fight in 75 years but it seems like they take the communist playbook of warcrime bombardment until they can't bombard no more.

be trade with China, and the Chinese in Taiwan and the Taiwanese (equivalent to saying Americans in Oklahoma and the Oklahomans) are very well aware of this.

No, Oklahoma has no functional independence. Taiwan has total functional independence. I'm sure many Taiwanese don't want to set foot on the mainland for fear of being abducted.

Those who have factories in China don’t desire change. The island is divided.

They are unified by wide margins that they won't go under the CCP, though.

The US will inevitably block the Strait of Malacca, since it's the only thing they really can do (military intervention against a nuclear superpower that controls their debt is not realistic). That cuts off China from supplies and oil coming from countries other than Russia.

This would actually be comical. China cracks down on the Taiwan independence movement in the Taiwan Straights, while the US camps out, way out in the Straight of Malaaca. Russia and China has a direct pipeline.

What you’d want to do is to break up the bond between Russia and China so the blockade would be effective which is what the US has been trying to do, but Biden pushed the two together. Russia is also allowing China to use Vladivostok as a domestic port.

Friends of mine had a baby girl last week. I went to Babies R Us and bought some gifts for them, and deliberately avoided buying anything made in China. I found goods made in Japan and Europe instead. 

They cost more, but I always avoid Made in China whenever I can.

It’s gonna be a long time before the world’s consumerism is decoupled from China, if ever, but I always do the same and look for products made elsewhere too. A lot of people I know do the same. If I can’t find what I need and manufactured elsewhere, I usually pass. Yes, I know, even when manufactured in other countries, it is most likely influenced by the Chinese at some stage, but gotta start somewhere.

Taiwan activates air defense as 37 Chinese aircraft enter its zone

Dumbed down news. What/which zone. Kinda important for a headline eh?

ADIZ - Air Defense Identification Zone. That zone.

They're just practicing and gauging responses. It a cat and mouse game played by Russia, too.

There is an implicit Domino Theory in US Asia policy. Taiwan sits flush center on the First Island Chain and that is what, in conjunction with the Okinawa bases and those in the Philippines, can really keep the Chinese from entering the Pacific. If Taiwan falls, no country in Asia will side with the US anymore. And Asia has no Nato. So the only alternative for the US, and to the same degree Japan, is to defend Taiwan in case of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. It is not spelled out, but that is for commercial reasons. If push comes to shove, the US and Japan will act, for their own national interests if not for the benefit fo the Taiwan people. In reality, China cannot win. The US can block the Malacca Strait and bomb out a couple of vulnerable land oil lines going into China (think Nordstream I) and China would surrender. It may want to do a blitzkrieg, but the Taiwan Strait is water and 100+ miles wide. If Russia cannot do a land blitzkrieg, good luck China and its naive fans.

ADIZ - Air Defense Identification Zone is the last line in the sand to avoid war.

When breeched by a dictatorship, in this case the Government of China, ADIZ can also represent a course of action that defines future intent with disastrous consequences.

The Government of China does not have any respect for basic human rights.

Is a Government that has committed grievous act of genocide to its own people.

And will continue to do so if ever an invasion of Taiwan was instigated.

The era of turning a blind eye, cowering appeasement is over.

Maybe the final war was always the human races desired destiny? Inadvertently?

Just don't pretend the Global community, UN did not see this coming.

All ignored the inevitable hoping it would just melt away.

There is an implicit Domino Theory in US Asia policy. Taiwan sits flush center on the First Island Chain and that is what, in conjunction with the Okinawa bases and those in the Philippines, can really keep the Chinese from entering the Pacific. If Taiwan falls, no country in Asia will side with the US anymore. 

US drama queens. If Vietnam falls, the rest of Asia was also supposed to have fallen, one after another invariably to Communism. Did it? Just a theory.

It'd be a shame if something "happened" to some of these PRC fighter jets.

A real shame.

@quercetumJune 8 08:56 pm JST

This would actually be comical. China cracks down on the Taiwan independence movement in the Taiwan Straights, while the US camps out, way out in the Straight of Malaaca. Russia and China has a direct pipeline.

The pipelines don't supply everything and in the quantity China needs. China would also be missing all of its OECD and Taiwan business at the same time.

What you’d want to do is to break up the bond between Russia and China so the blockade would be effective which is what the US has been trying to do, but Biden pushed the two together. Russia is also allowing China to use Vladivostok as a domestic port.

If Russia wants to be someone else's pet, there isn't much anyone can do to stop them.

CCP is looking for attention again. Everybody's so preoccupied with the Ukraine war but the West has its eye on the Pacific too and they won't let China pull a stunt and get away with it.

As long as the Chinese military stay 12nm off Taiwan's land, they are in international airspace. Normally, a country would be a member of ICAO, but due to unintended aspects of the 1-China UN policy, they are not, so their airspace responsibility is controlled by the CCP.

Watch closely, but don't shoot, until they cross that boundary by 1cm. Then shoot, if they didn't get permission or declare an emergency.