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"Face reality" - yeah, like a fascist country with a negative demographic surrounded by no friends might wanna do that.

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Beijing, which claims Taiwan as its territory and has never renounced force to bring it under its control, responded to Lai's victory saying it would not change the "inevitable trend of China's reunification".

https://youtu.be/8v0rKdlbDyU?feature=shared

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Good job President- Elect Lai.

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It's good that he won, no question, but it's somehow also a very questionable win with an outcome of only 40% supporters out of 69% active voters. Very lucky only, due to the kind of election system allowing a relative win, Taiwan surely might now have to put more questions to itself, than China has to face from an almost unsupported Taiwanese leader.

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In line with most countries, Washington does not formally recognise Taiwan but maintains close unofficial ties...

Therein lies the problem. Most countries need to recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Stop pussyfooting around.

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It's about time the rest of the world stands up to China and recognize Taiwan as a sovereign country!

If the people can do, so can the rest of the world!

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more and more global sounds keep shouting to china : we dont want big bullies in our region! but commies refuse to recognize the alarm and keep pushing his own expansion agenda. Thank you Taiwan once again whack the ccp in the face and show the world : democracy is everything ! freedom and right to vote belongs to people.

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Perennially good advice.

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@Garypen and Yubaru

But Taiwan's biggest backer, the United States, stated today that it does not support the independence of Taiwan.

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Hello Kitty - that seems to be the game we play - Taiwan can be independent, they just can't claim they are. Seems to work, I guess. Just have to outlast the CCP.

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The US and allies may continue to respect the One-China Principle, ie; Beijing is the sole government of China. However the same US and allies must recognize the sovereignty of Taiwan and open the doors to UN membeship (which Xi & Putin will of course try to bloc), and defense/security alliances with US allies.

Time for the world to up the ante. Xi has run China's economy into the ground and many Chinese are dissatisfied. Don't let Xi solve his mess by starting a war with Taiwan.

The claim of "reunifcation" is a joke, it is simply an invasion and annexation. The PRC/CCP have never controlled Taiwan in it's etire history. The people of Taiwan have made it clear that they do not want to go the way of Hong Kong and come under the control of the CCP dictatorship.

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Easy to name other governments that have never controlled portions of their country too!

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JJEToday 03:55 pm JST

Easy to name other governments that have never controlled portions of their country too!

Is it 1949? Was it annexed by a criminal state? Did the assaulting movement have foreign assistance?

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But Taiwan's biggest backer, the United States, stated today that it does not support the independence of Taiwan.

Eh, as an American I could care less. "Strategic ambiguity" is silly. You can't be ambiguous about important policy. How can America even begin to inspire any confidence in the hearts and minds of the Taiwanese if the US also doesn't support their right to establish themselves as an independent country? It's their land, is it not?

"Strategic Ambiguity" seems nonsensical until you consider the context: during the height of the Cold War, Taiwan was a necessary piece on the geopolitical chess board, and the RoC was viewed as the legitimate "China"; then the US normalized relations with the PRC and seemingly abandoned military obligations to the RoC via the Taiwan Relations Act in 1979; since then we heard considerably little about Taiwan until they came back into focus due to American dependence on their chipmaking via TSMC. Apple, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm, and others all rely on Taiwan Semiconductor to manufacture their chips. That's what it comes down to. All of these corporations are very savvy on the lobbying side of things, so the US government really doesn't care about the people of Taiwan, they care about the semiconductors.

But I think the Taiwanese should be independent. They've existed separate from the Chinese mainland for three quarters of a century. There's no longer any need to entertain such a facade.

Whether I think the US should risk entering a potentially nuclear war to protect Taiwan from invasion is a separate question; but with the recent corruption coming out of the PLA and the fact that they were apparently filling their missiles with water, it's looking less likely that a Chinese invasion will ever happen. A Chinese invasion of China would be very long, very costly, and very bloody for them, and if they decide to do it, they have to basically commit to it and see it through to the very end, even if there's no guarantee they will win it.

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The government of China intent is undeniable.

Understanding the one China policy.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/understanding-the-one-china-policy/

To constantly have to politely/diplomatically second guess the threat of first embargo/coercion, second a blockade, then seizures of territory.

The ratcheting up, complete military control of the Taiwan strait, vital to global economic trade, stability of the entire region.

Each step a test to gauge global response, whether US/Japan/UK/Australia/South Korea have the stomach to stand up to the dictatorship of China.

Will Xi Jinping throw the dice?

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A Chinese invasion of China

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan****, sincere typo.

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If the government has never controlled it, then they have no claim to it - let's be consistent and apply this principle equally.

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Beijing, which claims Taiwan as its territory

Claim it all you want, it doesn’t make it even close to being true. China has no military presence in Taiwan and no influence on the government of Taiwan. That’s a pretty funny way of “claiming it as its own territory”

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JJEToday 04:26 pm JST

If the government has never controlled it, then they have no claim to it - let's be consistent and apply this principle equally.

Did Russia pretend it was supporting an independence movement or did it shamelessly go for the jugular of Ukraine and annex? Even now, it tries to end Ukraine as a country.

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But China is facing reality - from their point of view. The reality of one China. Taiwan just happens to have a different reality.

It depends on point of view. The duck thinks, "Hey, this is some pretty nice pond weed here!" And the duck hunter thinks, "Supper!"

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Will Xi Jinping throw the dice?

Real question isn't it. Suspect, more Xi overtly supports Russia and Iran, using NK to 'relabel' and move their missiles and other weaponry into Ukraine and especially Red Sea/Mid-East....to fuel chaos, inflation, economic and political damage within context of growing conflict.

Then we'll know Xi's 'setting' the Taiwan table, by further bogging down and damaging western world in the process.

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Taiwan does not need US permission to be independent, Taiwan already is.

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As I wrote above, expect Iran and their many proxies, NK and Russia huge beneficiaries of Xi's enhanced military and other support as result of Taiwan 'slap' in Xi's face.

Now for us regular innocent folks, that'll mean 2024's going to be riskier than we'd like to put it mildly, as an angry Xi can quickly heat things up globally.

Let's hope Xi's not contemplating another lab virus leak!

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Taiwan does not need US permission to be independent, Taiwan already is.

Indeed. Who suggests they need US permission?

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Taiwan's voters DID make the "correct choice"!!!! They stood up to a ruthless bully and showed that they are willing to fight for their freedom from oppression!!!!

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The entire free world needs to support Taiwan, not just politically but economically as well. China has been doing their rather famous weaponizing trade routine, banning imports of some products then lifting them announcing that the KMT are the ones who negotiated the lifting. Using their economic power as usual.

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People who worry about war with China, should think about this small fact. China has never used it's military for anything than shows. I wander if it all works as it should? I would like to see China provide security to their new found friends in the Middle East. They might end up just like Russia that claimed to have second best army in the world! LMFAOF

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Taiwan tells China to 'face reality' after election

Dead right. Unfortunately, totalitarian states like China don't do "reality" very well, and prefer to live in their own bubble of hubris and vainglory, even when the walls around them are tumbling down.

Luckily, the rest of the world doesn't buy into this bubble. Some naive people may have been fooled by lies like "China's peaceful rise" and "win win cooperation" in the past, but now everyone knows what China is about, and they rightly do not trust Xi one inch.

And that goes for many Chinese people themselves, who are now more educated and internationalized than at any point in their history. Despite -- and, indeed, because of -- the censorship and oppression, they can see that freedom, democracy, human rights, friendship, and cooperation offer them far more than Xi Jinping Thought every could.

BertieWoosterToday 05:40 pm JST

But China is facing reality - from their point of view.

There's only one reality: that's why it's "reality." The CCP's "point of view" is nothing more than a lie.

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HopeSpringsEternalToday 06:15 pm JST

as result of Taiwan 'slap' in Xi's face.

If Xi does think that another country electing its own leader via the democratic will of its people, in a free, fair, and transparent election, is a slap in his face, that would certainly suggest he is one crazed individual and probably needs the help of a mental health professional.

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China has nothing it can offer Taiwan. Control by the CCP is a major step backwards for Taiwan and its people know it.

Because China has nothing to offer, the only arrow in its quiver is military intimidation, threats and possible invasion. That is not going to win over the population. China must reassess its actions and work to find something that will win over the people. One country two systems is a proven sham. Perhaps one country three systems might be needed, with Taiwan getting a big say in how it runs its own democracy, and to have the right to criticize Beijing when it does not perform, and other freedoms it currently has being untouchable. Recognizing that criticizing the CCP is not being unfaithful to China, it is wanting China to do better for all Chinese.

If China cant come up with a big enough compromise it has only two other options. Let Taiwan go or invade it.

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The people have spoken. Congratulations.

A few crazy people shouldn't be allowed to control any country. The system of elections should show their flaws BEFORE any election. I'm assuming the ballots and counting aren't fraudulent, can be validated, by independent groups.

I like to think that 98% of the world is good, hardworking, mostly nice, people.

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Well, China could take this as an opportunity to show the entire world that their ‘we-are-peaceful’ brand of rhetoric is somehow more than just idle words thrown around in wild abandon (while The Party talks about their 'warrior destiny to a tired domestic audience on the mainland).

And China could take this as an opportunity to show the world that they really don’t intend to enslave and otherwise exploit the people of Taiwan for their own selfish reasons.

And China could instead focus on repairing their stagnant economy, and their bloated (and dirturbingly corrupt) bureaucracy, and finally figure just how much debt they actually DO have (where DID all that money go, anyway?), while improving the everyday lives of a tired domestic audience on the mainland. And maybe - just maybe - even give these poor mainland people some more rights and liberties . . . like those enjoyed by a full three-quarters of the globe’s population, that are too often taken for granted (that is, until they see the rights abuses going on in the Party's hands today).

Yeah . . . I know . . . When pigs fly, right?

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China thinks war is a video game they are not battle tested. The crap they make looks good but is substandard and does not work as advertised. The Russians claimed to have a great army and machinery and supposedly battle tested they are losing so badly they are emptying their prisons using prisoners to fight. The men quit the women complain as the body bags return or not return at all. Just because you have a million man army with guns doesn’t mean you can win Russia has proven that most of the men don’t want to fight they lay down their arms and the war planes and ships well they are just target practice. Looks good on the screen but in the heat of battle in the fox hole crying

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Voters spurned Beijing's repeated calls not to vote for Lai, delivering a comfortable victory for a man China's ruling Communist Party sees as a dangerous separatist.

Here is the gist: Lai’s party lost the legislature and the popular vote. Lai won but he won’t be able to do much.

Tsai got more of the popular vote and won the legislature.

No change. Status Quo. Win win for everyone.

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Taiwan tells China to 'face reality' after election

Oh that's amusing for sure.

Kudo's to Taiwan for aggravating China.

Unfortunately the reality doesn't look good for Taiwan

I agree with you.

The Taiwan economy is a mess. There is one bright spot (TSMC and semiconductors) but no one is funding tommorow’s TSMC. The trouble is that US VCs are not going to touch any company that invests in the Mainland. And because Taiwan is a potential war zone, no one is investing in Taiwan either. This means no money from the West and no money from the Mainland.

Unfortunately, the reality doesn’t look good for Taiwan.

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quercetumJan. 15 11:58 pm JST

No change. Status Quo. Win win for everyone.

You always knew its was going to be the status quo.

The Taiwan economy is a mess. There is one bright spot (TSMC and semiconductors) but no one is funding tommorow’s TSMC.

Taiwan grew by 3% last year and doesn't have a massive catch up problem like the mainland. Doesn't sound like a mess to me.

The trouble is that US VCs are not going to touch any company that invests in the Mainland.

Sounds like something that would be good for Taiwan if they can end their dependence on the bully state.

And because Taiwan is a potential war zone, no one is investing in Taiwan either. This means no money from the West and no money from the Mainland.

Unfortunately, the reality doesn’t look good for Taiwan.

They seem to be doing pretty good compared to Japan, for example.

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I would rather be dead broke than have anything to do with the CCP. Maybe others feel the same way about authoritarians. Thankfully, I don’t have to make that choice right now, but I am empathetic to any who feel they might. Happy for the Taiwanese.

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