Takeaways from Supreme Court arguments over whether Trump is ineligible to be president again

It seems that SCOTUS will overturn the ruling, possibly unanimously.

I am disappointed because I think the court is so scared of doing its job in the afternoon of Bush v Gore, that it has decided to take any off-ramp available and this goes double for the textual it’s wing.

I will say that I am heartened that the “not an officer” and “no insurrection” arguments have been tossed in the bin.

I thought from the beginning that the CO case was legally solid but politically too hot to handle. And it seems that SCOTUS will unanimously (or nearly so) rule against CO.

But as it is the “Supreme” court, that is the final word and those are the breaks. I disagree, but will accept the ruling because that’s how Constitutional Democracy works.

Trump will spin it as some kind of grand sweeping exhortation. It is not.

He remains on the ballot just like he remains a felony defendant in 4 separate Jurisdictions. He’s going to face trial and a verdict before the election.

And because he is so obviously guilty AF, he will be the first felon to be the nominee of a major party.

Can somebody please tell the Democrats that blocking candidates with other viewpoints is not how Democracy works.

Attempting to overthrow the government because one doesn’t like the results is not how democracy works.

Attempting to hold the insurrectionist in Chief to account is.

Can somebody please tell the Democrats that blocking candidates with other viewpoints is not how Democracy works.

Yes, what Democrats need is to be lectured to by fascists about how democracy works.

I think my favorite part is how Trump immediately after the hearing claimed an insurrection did happen. The world's biggest genius.

It seems that SCOTUS will overturn the ruling, possibly unanimously. 

I am disappointed because I think the court is so scared of doing its job in the afternoon of Bush v Gore, that it has decided to take any off-ramp available and this goes double for the textual it’s wing. 

I will say that I am heartened that the “not an officer” and “no insurrection” arguments have been tossed in the bin. 

I thought from the beginning that the CO case was legally solid but politically too hot to handle. And it seems that SCOTUS will unanimously (or nearly so) rule against CO. 

But as it is the “Supreme” court, that is the final word and those are the breaks. I disagree, but will accept the ruling because that’s how Constitutional Democracy 

Not sure why you’re shocked. I thought this was DOA, never for once did I think the Dems had a chance with this.

And because he is so obviously guilty AF,

No one believes that, most of or lack of the so called evidence shows something different.

he will be the first felon to be the nominee of a major party

The Supreme Court doesn’t think so. Anyway, let both men run and let the people decide and put this charade aside.

Going into the case, the prevailing view of legal experts was the Supreme Court would keep Trump on the ballot. That's sense has grown now.

Seems a Trump/Biden rematchup is inevitable, Duopoly Bowl 2. No matter the result there will be some sort of constitutional crisis given trump the drama queen so another long drawn out election crisis.

Can somebody please tell the Democrats that blocking candidates with other viewpoints is not how Democracy works.

How about blocking other candidates based on conspiracies about their national/ethnic origin? Somebody please tell Trump that as he has tried that tactic again and again.

Yes, what Democrats need is to be lectured to by fascists about how democracy works.

How can any civil conversation be had with personal attacks on other users?

How can any civil conversation be had with personal attacks on other users?

You missed the plural there, my guy. I don't think fascists are interested in "civil conversation." Nearly 75% of Republicans are on board with Trump being a dictator.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4453457-74-percent-of-republicans-say-its-fine-for-trump-to-be-dictator-for-a-day/amp/

As a anti amercia great moto people ... i can not sleep now... I am crying every day... Thinking 24 hrs how can we defeat Trump..... the people of USA are behind Trump. He is going to win a landslide.. Whatever the tactics we play with card... still colour voters are flowing to Trump.... Ha .. What to do..... Can we ask Pelosi to impeach him again?? at least outside the congress!!! May be in the senate..... I am crying and crying ... this is all what I can do now... Shall we start our plan B... make rallies and protest and burning the things in the street etc... any advice from my peers?

Thuban

It's the first time that voters have tried to block a candidate from the presidency

Can somebody please tell the Democrats that blocking candidates with other viewpoints is not how Democracy works.

Can somebody tell Thurban that following the Constitution is how democracy in the US works. Unless you want to burn the Constitution...

How about blocking other candidates based on conspiracies about their national/ethnic origin? Somebody please tell Trump that as he has tried that tactic again and again.

The Dems tried that, but I guess if you’re white it or that doesn’t count?

marc laden

As a anti amercia great moto people ... i can not sleep now... I am crying every day... Thinking 24 hrs how can we defeat Trump..... the people of USA are behind Trump. He is going to win a landslide.. Whatever the tactics we play with card... still colour voters are flowing to Trump.... Ha .. What to do..... Can we ask Pelosi to impeach him again?? at least outside the congress!!! May be in the senate..... I am crying and crying ... this is all what I can do now... Shall we start our plan B... make rallies and protest and burning the things in the street etc... any advice from my peers?

My advice would be don't sweat it. Trump doesn't have chance to win the presidency. He's toast and he knows it.

Can somebody please tell the Democrats that blocking candidates with other viewpoints is not how Democracy works.

The case was brought be registered Republicans and independents.

So…..

he will be the first felon to be the nominee of a major party

The Supreme Court doesn’t think so. 

SCOTUS took no position on any of his FOUR felony indictments whatsoever.

You are conflating unrelated legal issues.

But Trump has so many criminal cases, it’s easy to lose track.

This article really understates the issues here - which is the court was very sceptical to the Colorado case. And not just the conservatives. Jackson and Kagan were unimpressed with the Colorful State, and when Kagan saw which way the wind was blowing, she piped down. Thomas opened the barrage by bashing a massive whole in the whole rotten structure by raising how and why it is there. Then each justice poked big holes in it, like Roberts who left it looking like Swiss cheese. Gorsuch roasted Murray (one of the Colorado lawyers) when he tried to be evasive.

Trump's lead counsel Mitchell really aced it - the Colorado brigade were outfoxed, outclassed, outgunned and outplayed by him hands down. He has argued 5 cases and more with regards to SCOTUS and the other side; none. And it really showed. They left the building looking shellshocked, wishing they had paper bags with eyes holes over their heads.

Although only the opening, they are shutting down the initiative to kick Trump of the ballot. A huge win for the ballot box and democracy.

The court's response to Colorado was definitely sceptical. The question really is: was it hostile (it was) and to what degree?

Audio of the arguments can be found online. Worth listening to. And when you do, it really hammers home how ridiculous the Colorado argument was and the concept of states using a federal law to attack democracy in general.

Certain quarters brainwashed themselves that SCOTUS would go along with the Lawfare witch hunt. What a shocker that was.

2020hindsightsToday  07:48 am JST

My advice would be don't sweat it. Trump doesn't have chance to win the presidency. He's toast and he knows it.

But he is going to win.... cry ,,,,, hiiiiii.... 0ver 60% of american voters are with him... Now our card ( black voters are going to him like a sunami) . Shall we do the same tactics as we did the last election? print lots of mail ballot and just vote for Biden in bulk? or bring more illegal migrants from China... I totally oppose a great America... MAGA people want to make America great.. But we democrats can not allow that..... Lets make plan to bring more Chinese to our nation to control everything.. that make me happy .....

You missed the plural there, my guy. I don't think fascists are interested in "civil conversation." Nearly 75% of Republicans are on board with Trump being a dictator.

He said "Democrats" and you said "fascists". Debates are automatically lost with name-calling. Doesn't matter though, your posts never get deleted.

When you use the fake news media to call it an insurrection when it clearly wasn’t,

Broadcast on live tv an No amount of gaslighting will wash that away.

and you use that to arrest innocent people and put them in jail and prison,

Convicted at trial by a jury of their peers while represented by counsel, or plead guilty.

But pray, continue, lol.

[ “ The justices sounded highly skeptical of the effort. “

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“ From across the court's ideological divide, there was near consensus that the Colorado arguments were flawed. “

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“ The provision doesn't spell out any procedures or even the meaning of “insurrection.” It just says anyone who engaged in one can't hold office. “

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“ They hoped for a Supreme Court affirmation that the former president did engage in insurrection and threaten the Constitution with his campaign to stay in office after his 2020 loss. But the justices weren’t going there. “

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“ Kavanagh noted there is a federal law against insurrection and it bars those convicted from holding office. Trump has not been charged with violating that law.

Trump would like the high court to declare him not responsible for the violence on Jan. 6. There was little indication that would happen because the matter barely came up. “ ]

This ain’t rocket science—most people from both sides agree that Trump should be on the ballot…; it ain’t pretty to see the democrats and some republicans doing everything they can to bring him down…; we’ll have a Trump–Biden rematch this year—get used to it.

He said "Democrats" and you said "fascists". Debates are automatically lost with name-calling. Doesn't matter though

Yes. "Fascists" is plural. It's not name calling. It's a pretty apt description of Republicans under Trump.

Oh you mean the riot that was caught on camera a riot started by feds

lol No, they mean the insurrection that even Trump called an insurrection.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-jan-6-insurrection-1234964730/

SCOTUS took no position on any of his FOUR felony indictments whatsoever”

John you’re referring to the 4 fake and clearly politically motivated charges against former President Trump, cases that just happened to be held in far left jurisdictions, by far left paid activists DA’s and judges, Lol

No, I’m referring to the FOUR felony indictments returned by 4 separate Grand Juries in four separate jurisdictions. Each of these has cooperating witnesses including former COS Medows.

The documents case has video evidence of Trump having the boxes moved and signed affidavits that all documents were return when they were not and he knew it. Oh, and the recording of him waving around a highly classified document and laughing about it. That’s in evidence.

In the NY case, we have his signature on the check and the records proving he didn’t record it.

Smith has multiple cooperating witnesses in the January 6th investigation.

And then there’s the phone call of Trump attempting to induce the GA AG to commit election fraud.

And S. FL being an extremist left wing area?

So I don’t know what planet you’re living on but it isn’t Earth 1.0.

In each of these cases, the prosecutor heals Don the con by the shirt hairs and he knows it. That’s why he’s attempting to delay. He has no operating defense.

I’ll be voting from Trump this time around!

As is your right in absence of all logic.

Its unlikely to go as you planned.

Another fake hit peace from another far left anti-Trump fake news site, come on Cardsfan you can’t be serious. lol The Rolling Stones

There's nothing fake about it. You can see him say it himself, it's all on tape.

You cannot disparage a democratic system without making yourself ineligible if you are the beneficiary of that. But I am sure that will be beyond the logic of his supporters. Treat those with fascist rules who favour them for themselves when they have the power before they get it.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-jan-6-insurrection-1234964730/

OK, next!

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/rolling-stone

No surprise here, if Colorado upheld, we'd have almost ZERO states with ANY Major Presidential Candidates, though independent Kennedy would be happy!

I can tell you as a Hispanic American, I like many Black Americans I know, who voted blue all our adult lives have finally woken up and see just how far to the left the Democratic Party have gone, most of the democrats refer to themselves as Democratic Socialists.

I’ll be voting from Trump this time around!

What is it with these Trump supporters flailing and posing online as " As a black man.." " As a Hispanic..."?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/in-new-mexico-trump-tries-to-explain-what-he-thinks-the-hispanics-want

Trump's evangelical base of course has cross-racial appeal despite his rhetoric, as their is a lot of religious belief among POC in the US.

So really no need to be a Mexican't and try to find cover in tokenism.

It smacks of " but my best friend/ex-... was black, Hispanic" etc.

There has been a proud tradition of socialism in Latin America that was usually destroyed by violent American intervention.

OK, next!

Ok, next!

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/08/politics/fact-check-trump-january-6/index.html

It's the first time that voters have tried to block a candidate from the presidency under a once-obscure post-Civil War constitutional provision barring those who “engaged in insurrection” from holding office.

That being said Americans are stuck with the duopoly Hobson's choice yet again .

And the GOP are one of those two parties and they are the party of Trump.

So let him run and see how many POC vote for him and mass detention centers for those suspected of being migrants.

The system is dysfunctional as is.

Politics is dysfunctional in the US as is.

“A poor effort that one.”

Jimizo you mean like how the mainstream media called a riot an insurrection? Or how the fake news claimed the riot was worse than 9/11, the Civil War and WW2. Talk about insanity! Shameful what they did.

What news do you read?

The media can be dishonest, and as know, if you don’t have honesty, you can’t be taken seriously.

*as we know

Most American non-partisans and independents consider this ongoing lawfare orchestrated by DOJ and democratic operatives as distinctly ANTI - Democratic.

Colorado's legal attacks case in point.

Above, key reason Trump's sailing towards republican nomination, leading Biden in all major polls and strong betting market favorite to win (b/w 2 and 3:1) in Nov.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/08/politics/fact-check-trump-january-6/index.html

Next!

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cnn-media-bias#:~:text=We%20officially%20shifted%20CNN's%20bias,the%20political%20spectrum%20was%20Left.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cnn-media-bias#:~:text=We%20officially%20shifted%20CNN's%20bias,the%20political%20spectrum%20was%20Left.

What a great and compelling argument. You can attack the source, but there's no denying he said it. Even Juan agrees he said it.

Can somebody please tell the Democrats that blocking candidates with other viewpoints is not how Democracy works.

yeah that’s not what this is about, Thuban. You may remember that nobody tried this against W, however unpopular he was with democrats.

I reluctantly agree with the way the court is leaning. Think section 3 absolutely applies in this specific case. But a ruling for CO opens pandoras box for future abuses.

The documents case has video evidence of Trump having the boxes moved and signed affidavits that all documents were return when they were not and he knew it. Oh, and the recording of him waving around a highly classified document and laughing about it. That’s in evidence.

The Dems lost big time on this one.

marc ladenToday  07:29 am JST

As a anti amercia great moto people ... i can not sleep now... I am crying every day... Thinking 24 hrs how can we defeat Trump..... the people of USA are behind Trump. He is going to win a landslide..

Nonsense. Only a portion of republican Americans are brainwashed. Trump will lose to Biden and he will once again refuse to accept a loss. Maybe this time he can get his buddy Vlad to hit the Capitol Building with an airstrike.

Biden and Garland, as faithful watchdogs of Amerika's rightwing political establishment, circled the wagons of "justice" around traitorous members of both Houses and gave Trump far too much time to work his mischief to damage the democratic system and rule of law before they decided to rein him in. Now the clock is running out on their belated attempts to bring this scofflaw ex-potus to justice and Scotus, which went so far right off the charts under the deliberate stacking of the court by the most corrupt president in US history, will unlikely derail their "benefactor's" blatant campaign to claw back his power in a desperate attempt to escape prison time. The DOJ's egregious neglect of duty, paralyzed by political calculation, began with its failure to nail the corrupt snake-oil salesman with easy-peasy charges based on the Emoluments Clause. This turning a blind eye have the DOJ a black eye and was a yuuge lost opportunity to " make America great again".

Correction:

This turning a blind eye has given the DOJ a black eye

Well, it looks like Trump got away with what he did in January 6th. People died because of it, people got hurt and a single man tried his darndest to overthrow the government of the USA. Remarkable and frightening times we’re living in.

The case doesn't resemble Trumps in the simple but very important manner relating to the facts of "Deception and Obstruction".

They are criminal offenses.

Read all about it……..

Trump v. Anderson

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/trump-v-anderson/

Two more “takeaways”?

Trump’s lawyers

“In our system of ‘government of the people, by the people, [and] for the people’, the American people – not courts or election officials – should choose the next President of the United States,”

Jason Murray, the lawyer on behalf of the Colorado voters.

“The reason we’re here is [Trump tried] to disenfranchise 80 million Americans who voted against him, and the constitution doesn’t require that you be given another chance,”.

And perhaps a third?

Jason Murry again………

“If this court concludes that Colorado did not have the authority to exclude President Trump from the presidential ballot on procedural grounds, I think this case would be done, but I think it could come back with a vengeance, because ultimately members of Congress may have to make the determination after an election if President Trump wins, about whether or not he’s disqualified from office and whether to count votes cast for him.”

Both sides are determined to prise the lid off Pandora box, politicly.

That's before the learned justices get to the First Amendment.

Let the people decide at the ballot box.....

The only person killed on Jan 6 was Ashli Babbitt who was fatally shot at point-blank range while wearing a Trump cape.

The media and dems spread this nonsense about large amounts of police dying.

What a great and compelling argument. You can attack the source, but there's no denying he said it. Even Juan agrees he said it.

Who?

As is your right in absence of all logic. 

But voting for Biden who is cognitively compromised is a logical thing to do?

Its unlikely to go as you planned.

Or it may

Russia and Pakistan have blocked opposition candidates before elections. If they wanted to lock Trump up, it needed to be a slam dunk case, done and dusted years ago. Now, it would look like disenfranchising the opposition, it would wreck America's democratic credibility and could cause a real insurrection or new civil war.

Like it or not, the Democrats need to beat Trump at the ballot box. They have had long enough to prepare. If they mess up again, as they did with Hillary Clinton, they will have nobody to blame but themselves.

Trump is stale bread.

That mold has been scraped off.