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Taliban official: Strict punishment, executions will return

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This really isn’t news. We’ve known these people were barbaric since they seized control the first time.

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Greetings, United Nations. Greetings G20. Greetings diplomats.

For years now you have spoke as one voice over the value of women. Women's issues are vital, women's health is paramount, women's rights are a necessity, and so on and so forth. Well said!

Well, it is time to stand up. And actually mean what you say.

Deny the Taliban formal recognition and member status in any international organization. Deny them diplomatic status.

Humanitarian aid? Certainly. Economic aid? Conditional yes. Unfreezing the country's assets? Situational yes. Formal recognition? No! No yet.

They don't yet deserve it. These past two weeks, through insightful reports from both Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International, combined with courageous reporting from journalists on the ground, and refugees fleeing the terror that is Taliban - and ironically from the voices of the regime's members raised in intolerance - we have a clear picture of what is really happening to women in Afghanistan today.

And it is violent. And ugly.  And degrading. And intolerable in the sight of any who call themselves civilized.

The Taliban, a well armed and not well intending militia junta, have claimed Afghanistan as their own. And are now practicing violent and dehumanizing treatment against women, straight from the soiled pages of the book from the darkest periods of out planet's history. 

The details of this modern day horror must be globally apparent in this ages of instant information, and equally considered to be deeply disturbing, even to the most cynical and desensitized diplomat and bureaucrat.

But it is happening, nevertheless. Now.

And you can help stop it.

Speak in one voice, as if you really mean it this time, and stand up for the rights of women.

Deny the Taliban the international legitimacy that their criminal gang so desperately crave. Take their vile threats and empty promises for what they truly are, yet deal with them honestly, honorably and with compassion. Care not as to their future strategic value to your own shifting (and admittedly contradictory) worldviews. Actually believe for this and future times that systematic and systemic crimes against women must not be tolerated.  And deny the Taliban official recognition until which time they demonstrate to full satisfaction by impartial judgment that they deserve a chair at the table of the international community.

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Sharia law has no part in a modern democratic society which the Taliban have now ended in their country. 20 years of advancements are stopped and ended. The women are the biggest sufferers.

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Strict punishment, executions will return

Several pro-authoritarians have written they admire males like Duterte claiming he is 'strong' because he has his heavily armed security forces kill unarmed civilians without first giving them a trial, Do they also admire the Taliban for similar tactics.

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Did he specifically pose for a sinister looking photo or was that airbrushed somehow?

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BlacklabelToday  07:29 am JST

What happened to the “professional” and “business like” Taliban 2.0 that the Biden administration promised and could collaborate with?

You are doing it again already. Taking quote out of context.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/live-news/20210909-us-says-taliban-businesslike-and-professional-in-afghan-evacuation

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The Taliban would never change. America could have stayed for another 20-years but they didn't want that.

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Saudi's do the same plus public floggings.

EYE FOR AN EYE

Saudi Arabia executions – paralysis, eye gouging and crucifixion among the medieval punishments faced by kids as young as 14

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6980209/saudi-arabia-executions-eye-gouging-crucifixion/

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Zichi, the people of Afghanistan are reaping what they sowed, instead of trying to remain a divided ,they should of came together as a United Nations, American have no patience especially for those, who they do not know or really care about

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As usual the western powers will condemn the "brutal" Taliban but remain completely silent on exactly the same laws in Saudi Arabia.

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Zuchi,name a religion, that women do not suffer under

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Since we all know that very many government officials are wont to feather their own nests with corruption and money illegally obtained (ie., thievery), wouldn't it be a splendid idea for all prospective members of the new Taliban government to donate one of their hands before taking office as a sign of their good faith and sincerity to serve the Afghan people they will rule over (and start chopping up)?

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Sure it is just a step on the road to greater diversity and inclusion.

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Didn’t they execute without a trial a family gathering water a few weeks ago? Or wait that was us. But some “look at me” posters will come on here and lecture us on Taliban barbarity.

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Yrral

Zuchi,name a religion, that women do not suffer under

"zichi" actually.

Afghanistan has always been a tribal land. Under American rule, they tried to introduce modern united democracy with a central government.

It would have been better to have made it into separate states, just like in America with a central government for national issues.

The Islamic Sharia Law is the most extreme and most violent and the most oppressive against women. Women of other religions have freedoms that women under Sharia Law do not have.

Many countries including America still have capital punishments but only after a trial.

I am not a defender of religions but you can not defend Sharia Law. It's barbaric.

Under Jewish Law, women have restrictions especially within a marriage like being unable to divorce unless their husband gives them a "Get". But women are allowed to work, serve in the military, attend schools and universities. Free to wear what they want.

"Buddhist teachings accept the biological and mental differences one is having, due to his or her gender. But these differences do not have any relationship with one's spiritual development. ... When it comes to the attraction to opposite gender both male and female are having equal state."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308898677_Gender_Equity_in_Buddhism

But there are many who do not practice Buddhism correctly and within those societies, women can be oppressed.

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=75673

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Under Jewish Law, women have restrictions especially within a marriage like being unable to divorce unless their husband gives them a "Get". But women are allowed to work, serve in the military, attend schools and universities. Free to wear what they want.

But in Judaism women are not killed or flogged or have body parts chopped off. The comparison is a false equivalency.

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bass4funk

Under Jewish Law, women have restrictions especially within a marriage like being unable to divorce unless their husband gives them a "Get". But women are allowed to work, serve in the military, attend schools and universities. Free to wear what they want.

But in Judaism women are not killed or flogged or have body parts chopped off. The comparison is a false equivalency.

It's not false because I was asked a question by Yrral

"name a religion, that women do not suffer under".

Women suffer under all religions but Christianity and Jewism allow more freedoms than Islamic laws but none are 100%.

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It's not false

About what you said about Judaism is false in the sense and unlike the Taliban, they won’t be killed or tortured or even beheaded. To even make that kind of comparison is just idiotic.

Women suffer under all religions but Christianity and Jewism allow more freedoms than Islamic laws but none are 100%.

Yes, I agree, but that comparison was just not a good one in all honesty Sharia is as barbaric as it gets. Just immoral.

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When the Soviets came to support the new Marxist govt in the late 70s, one of the modernising reforms was much stronger women's rights.

So as modern Afghan women wanted these reforms, they were seen as supporting the invading Soviets.

Therefore, womens rights are a structure that is foreign and is brutally denied.

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bass4funk

It's not false

About what you said about Judaism is false in the sense and unlike the Taliban, they won’t be killed or tortured or even beheaded. To even make that kind of comparison is just idiotic.

> Women suffer under all religions but Christianity and Jewism allow more freedoms than Islamic laws but none are 100%.

Yes, I agree, but that comparison was just not a good one in all honesty Sharia is as barbaric as it gets. Just immoral.

I was very clear in my comment and reply to Yrral.

So you can provide your own answer to his question

"name a religion, that women do not suffer under".

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Women suffer under all religions but Christianity and Jewism allow more freedoms than Islamic laws but none are 100%.

Its absurd to compare christianity and judaism to Taliban style Islam. Patently absurd.

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Pro-death penalty right wingers must be very happy to hear this news.

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About what you said about Judaism is false in the sense and unlike the Taliban, they won’t be killed or tortured or even beheaded. To even make that kind of comparison is just idiotic.

My dude, can you read? The guy said "Judaism is better and more liberal than Taliban-style Islam". He said the thing you agree with, and yet you're arguing with him.

Please actually read the comments.

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Sharia law has no part in a modern democratic society 

Agreed. There are Muslim reformers out there who are trying move societies forward and away from 7th century morals. These people are some of the bravest people you’d ever meet as many have been killed or imprisoned. Some live with credible death threats even in non-Muslim majority secular countries.

Some have argued for a ‘reinterpretation’ of Sharia. Unfortunately, the Taliban do have the books in their side when it comes to their punishments, treatment of women, free-thinkers, ‘blasphemers’, apostates, LGBT etc.

This stuff doesn’t belong in the 21st century.

Women suffer under all religions but Christianity and Jewism allow more freedoms than Islamic laws but none are 100%.

True. Incredible how some lack the literacy to see it’s a clear point and fly off the handle.

Yep, all the monotheisms are outdated in their views of women but Islam is the worst at this moment in time.

Factual and clear.

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So you can provide your own answer to his question

"name a religion, that women do not suffer under".

There’s a difference between suffering and being tortured and mutilated. A lot of women suffer, but no religion on the planet is as violent and brutal as Sharia, that’s an indisputable fact.

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The guy said "Judaism is better and more liberal than Taliban-style Islam". He said the thing you agree with, and yet you're arguing with him.

To even put the two religions together for comparison was just dumb, really.

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bass4funk

So you can provide your own answer to his question

"name a religion, that women do not suffer under".

There’s a difference between suffering and being tortured and mutilated. A lot of women suffer, but no religion on the planet is as violent and brutal as Sharia, that’s an indisputable fact.

Why is it so hard to answer a simple question?

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Why is it so hard to answer a simple question?

It’s not hard. I already gave you an answer, once more, no woman suffers to the degree that women do under Sharia. Nothing comes close to it.

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Gentlemen and gentlewomen:

It is far too easy to think that we should look at our own reflections in the mirror before we first blaming another. Or that this religion incites it, or this belief system is worse than others.

Easy is not what we need. Circular arguments prevent us from moving forward in this most important matter.

Instead, while we will work to save women and girls from the Taliban Trainwreck, we still have room to reject those parts of ourselves and our own country that would agree to substitute the important rights of women for shallow and short-visioned political interests.

And it most certainly is not too late to contact and work with those who purport to represent us on the international stage, and advocate strongly for the present and future of the women and girls of Afghanistan.

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bass4funk

The guy said "Judaism is better and more liberal than Taliban-style Islam". He said the thing you agree with, and yet you're arguing with him.

To even put the two religions together for comparison was just dumb, really.

Except if you read my comment I didn't just mention two religions.

I stated Islam, Jewish, Christian, and Buddhism. If you want a couple of more I can throw in Jain and Hindu.

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To even put the two religions together for comparison was just dumb, really.

It isn't. They're both religions, and he prefers one (Judaism) over another (conservative Islam). It's a perfectly fair comparison. And it's one that you agree with! Just. Read. The Comments. One. Time.

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Well, at least those draconian measures are going to reduce crime..

Yes, but under the Taliban the definition of ‘crime’ can include changing your opinions.

Be serious, sport.

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It isn't. They're both religions, and he prefers one (Judaism) over another (conservative Islam). It's a perfectly fair comparison.

I disagree.

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I disagree.

What do you disagree with? Do you think that Judaism and Islam are not religions? Or do you think the poster doesn't prefer Judaism to conservative Islam, despite the fact that he said he did?

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Back on topic please.

A major crime under Sharia Law that leads to execution is to give up the Islamic faith and take another.

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A major crime under Sharia Law that leads to execution is to give up the Islamic faith and take another.

I remember watching a debate on this issue where one debater argued that the idea of leaving Islam in Mohammed’s time was regarded as treason. Islam at that time was more a tribe at war than a cohesive set of beliefs. Leaving Islam in the 7th century was equivalent to a westerner working for the Soviets during the Cold War. The problem was with the meaning of ‘apostasy’.

I’ve heard others argue that the scriptures are clear - those leaving the faith of Islam should be executed.

My take from this is that these scriptures are so dated and full of ambiguity, contradictions and crackpottery they are totally unfit to base a 21st century legal system on.

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Barbaric thugs with primitive ideals. Their lack of respect for others shows the danger they are to the world. They treat their own people this way, what are they prepared to do to outsiders?

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When I lived in Saudi Arabia I avoided going into the one larger nearby town on Fridays, because on Fridays what the locals called 'Chop-chop Square' was in business. And if a religious policeman was around he would try to convince me to go there with him to show what could happen if I messed up.

As flawed as the English system of justice can be, in my opinion it's vastly superior to those the Saudis and a couple other non-democratic nations like Afghanistan have. One of the biggest crowds attracted to chop-chop square was when a woman was going to be stoned, allegedly for committing adultery. She had another name for what had happened, but to prove her case would have needed a certain number of witnesses. A local defended the punishment, claiming she would be given pain pills.

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I think publicly shaming convicted criminals is a good thing to do, bring back the public stocks I say. I do draw the line at amputations and public executions though.

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Bass4funkToday  09:57 am JST

There’s a difference between suffering and being tortured and mutilated. A lot of women suffer, but no religion on the planet is as violent and brutal as Sharia, that’s an indisputable fact.

Sharia is not a religion, it’s religious law from the Quran.

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She had another name for what had happened, but to prove her case would have needed a certain number of witnesses. A local defended the punishment, claiming she would be given pain pills.

I’ve come across some defences of stoning for adultery which would be comical if they weren’t so sick. One pathetic defence I’ve heard a few times is that it should be a non-issue because if Sharia is followed correctly, the burden of proof is so high, it would make it impossible to convict someone.

It reminded me of the defence of wife-beating. The scriptures say you cannot bruise or draw blood when punishing your wife, and therefore, this means the scriptures say you shouldn’t beat your wife.

I thought it would have been better to state unequivocally that you shouldn’t execute women for adultery or beat them. Helps with the clarity thing,

Just my penny’s worth.

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These Taliban are a throw back from the stone age and somehow managed to get to the twenty first century. They must be banned from all world bodies and the UN until they institute acceptable laws for their communities including treatment of women.

A complete disgrace. They need to be overthrown asap.

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everyone already knew that this was going to happen again.

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Y'know. The problem with the Taliban, is that they're so busy with their extreme punishments, they don't know about this thing called "reform". Every thief's hand they cut off, is one less able bodied adult that could eventually contribute to a work force which contributes to an economy. Every person they (most likely wrongfully) execute, is one less citizen to help move the country forward. Hell, if you're going to do that, you may as well not cut off their hand and make them assist in building that infrastructure Afghanistan so desperately needs.

Hey, ya wanna live in medieval times...

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Then they don't get their financial aid

Other countries' taxpayers aren't obliged to aid them

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Today, the Taliban hung four bodies in Kabul accused of kidnapping.

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