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Norway suspect says killings were atrocious but necessary

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The suspect in Norway's twin attacks that killed at least 92 people admitted responsibility Saturday and said the carnage was long planned as the nation mourned victims of its worst violence since World War II.

Anders Behring Breivik, 32, was arrested for allegedly shooting at least 85 people dead at a youth Labour Party meeting on an island and killing seven more in a car bomb explosion which ripped through government buildings in Oslo.

"He admitted responsibility," Behring Breivik's lawyer Geir Lippestad told Norway's NRK television channel. While there was no official confirmation of the man's identity, he was widely named as Anders Behring Breivik by local media.

"He explained that it was cruel but that he had to go through with these acts," Lippestad said, adding that the attacks were "apparently planned over a long period of time."

A rambling 1,500-page tract apparently written by Behring Breivik said he has been preparing the "martyrdom operation" since at least autumn 2009.

The Internet document -- part diary, part bomb-making manual and part political rant in which he details his Islamophobia -- explains how he set up front mining and farming businesses to prepare the attacks for which he was arrested on Friday.

"The reasoning for this decision is to create a credible cover in case I am arrested in regards to the purchase and smuggling of explosives or components to explosives -- fertiliser," the tract says.

As harrowing testimony emerged from the summer camp where scores of youngsters were mown down, Norway was struggling to understand how a country famed as a beacon of peace could experience such bloodshed on its soil.

"Never since the Second World War has our country been hit by a crime on this scale," Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg told journalists as police searched for more bodies on the idyllic Utoeya island near Oslo.

"Many of those who have died were friends. I know their parents and it happened at a place where I spent a long time as a young person... It was a paradise of my youth that has now been turned into hell."

The toll could rise further as the search continued for four or five people still missing from the island, aided by a mini-submarine and Red Cross scuba divers.

National police commissioner Sveinung Sponheim said investigators were still trying to establish whether a second shooter was present on the island, as suggested by certain witness accounts.

Blond-haired Behring Breivik described himself on his Facebook page as "conservative", "Christian", and interested in hunting and computer games like World of Warcraft and Modern Warfare 2, reports said.

He also described himself as director of Breivik Geofarm, an organic farm that may have given him access to chemicals used in the production of explosives.

A sole message on his Twitter account, dated July 17, was based on a quote from British philosopher John Stuart Mill, reading: "One person with a belief is equal to a force of 100,000 who have only interests."

Police spokesman Roger Andersen described the suspect as a "Christian fundamentalist," adding that his political opinions leaned "to the right."

The head of the populist right-wing Progress Party (FrP) confirmed Behring Breivik had been a party member between 1999 and 2006 and for several years a leader in its youth movement.

He stopped paying his subscription before ending his membership, according to the party.

"Those who knew the suspect when he was a member of the party say that he seemed like a modest person that seldom engaged himself in the political discussions," Siv Jensen said in a statement on the FrP website.

Anti-fascist monitors, meanwhile, said Behring Breivik was also a member of a Swedish neo-Nazi Internet forum named Nordisk, which hosts discussions on topics ranging from white power music to political strategies for crushing democracy.

The attacks on Friday afternoon were western Europe's deadliest since the 2004 Madrid bombings, carried out by Al-Qaeda.

While there had been initial fears they might have been an act of revenge over Norway's participation in the campaigns in Afghanistan and Libya, the focus shifted when it emerged the suspect was a native Norwegian.

The first attack was a car bomb which seared through landmark buildings including Stoltenberg's office and the finance ministry. It is thought that the car-bomber then caught a ferry to nearby Utoeya island wearing a police sweater.

On arrival, he claimed to be investigating the bomb attack and began opening fire with an automatic weapon. The shooting spree lasted for an hour and a half.

Witnesses described scenes of horror among the more than 500 people attending the youth camp. Some who tried to swim to safety were even shot in the water.

Khamshajiny Gunaratnam, 23, said that people initially thought it was some kind of joke before she and her friends realised their lives were in danger.

"We ran and ran. The worst thing was when we found out the shooter was dressed as a policeman. Who could we trust then? If we called the police, would he be the guy (who) would come to our 'rescue'?," she wrote on her blog.

She and her friend Matti swam towards the mainland as the gunman fired into the water. After a while, a boat picked them up and brought them to safety.

"I have heard stories about people swimming over the lake, people hiding under stones and almost being shot at, so there are some terrible stories. We have agreed in our groups that we won't talk about the most terrible because it goes only to the media," said visibly shocked 17-year-old survivor Miriam Einangs.

Stine Haheim, a Labour party lawmaker who was on the island, said the gunman had carried out his killings methodically.

"He was very calm. He was not running, he was moving slowly and shooting at every person he saw," she said.

Stoltenberg, as he visited some of the survivors, spoke of his own anguish at the massacre on an island to which he was a frequent visitor. He had been due to give a speech on Saturday to the camp, organised by his Labour party.

Norwegian police said they feared there could also be explosives on the island. According to a spokeswoman for a farming cooperative, the suspect bought six tonnes of fertiliser -- which can be used to make bombs -- in May.

There was widespread international condemnation, with U.S. President Barack Obama saying the attacks were "a reminder that the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring".

Pope Benedict XVI was "profoundly saddened" by news of the attacks, the Vatican's Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said in an open letter to Norway's King Harald V.

Meanwhile, in the heart of Oslo, the tributes piled up in front of the city's cathedral Saturday. Groups of friends, couples, whole families -- they all came to pay their respects.

Nearby the soldiers stood watch: an unusual site in the Norwegian capital. But the nearby government sector, where Friday's bomb went off, was still sealed off as investigators continued their work.

Tone Bjorkli, accompanied by her friend Mirja, added a small wreath of white flowers to the growing collection.

"It's quite scary to see all that on the telly," said the 31-year-old artist. "But on the other hand, its comforting to come here and see everybody so moved."

But then as they pointed out, it was not as if they could think of anything else but Friday's bombing that killed seven people in the government district; and the killing spree that followed on Utoeya island, not far from the capital.

"It's the only thing that people are talking about," said Tone. "We need to get it all out."

Among those paying their tribute to the dead here were members of the royal family, who came to light candles.

Beside Tone and Mirja in the crowd, stood Farid Omar, a 23-year-old Burundian who has lived in Norway for seven years.

He had come, he said, to show "that it's not just the Norwegian people who are affected. I too, as an immigrant, I can say that it's shameful what has happened".

It had brought back memories of the violence in Burundi, he added. But he would have never expected something like this to happen in Norway.

As a Muslim Farid confessed to being relieved that the main suspect in the killings was a Norwegian, "because if not it would have destroyed the multiculturalism that exists here.

"Look, there are foreigners everywhere, there are 24,000 Somalis in central Oslo alone," he added.

Nor was Farid the only immigrant among the thousands filing through the cathedral.

"There are even veiled Muslims who have come here to the cathedral," Pastor Anne Anita Lilleboe, the university chaplain, said. She had volunteered to help organize the day's mourning.

Inside the cathedral, couples leaned against each other as dozens of people filed past the chapel, lit up by hundreds of candles. The pastor estimated that some 400 people were paying their respects here every hour.

The cathedral, along with the Sundvolden Hotel outside the capital where survivors of the shooting were being sheltered and counselled, has become a focus of the wave of grief and compassion that has swept so many people here.

And all across the city, the flags were at half-mast.

Outside in the courtyard, 64-year-old Einar Andresen, on the verge of tears, hugged his friend Nicolas.

"It's the worst crime that I have ever know in Norway," he said, his voice tight with emotion.

"I needed to go to the church with a lot of people. I'm not anyone importat, but's important that we are all together," he said.

"These children...," said Nicolas, thinking of the victims of the shooting. "I have no sympathy with the Labour Party -- but good grief, if I don't like someone I'm not going to take a gun and kill him."

Barely 50 meters away, small groups of people were gathered on the edge of the cordoned-off area where the car bomb wrought havoc in the government quarter.

Soldiers in full battle gear and carrying automatic weapons stood guard as the locals and tourists gazed at the devastated facades of the buildings, windows shattered by the force of the blast.

Several nearby shops were not open for business: "Closed because of the situation," said one sheet of paper.

Linn Elese Amundsen, a 24-year-old student and her photographer friend Nichlas Andersen had thought of their own gesture. Both wore "I love Oslo" t-shirts, the word "love" represented by a heart.

"When I woke up, I thought that this was the day to put it on," said Linn.

"I still can't believe it, this is little Norway here, nothing usually happens to us."

But she added: "Today, I think all this brings people together, it brings people closer."

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More than likely he's just another deranged shooter (and I mean clinically insane).

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The planning part is what gets me.....

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More atrocities in God's name. What part of "Thou shalt not kill" don't these folks understand? Oh, I know the pat answer - "It's a war, and you have to kill people in a war." or then there's " It's really "Thou shalt not murder' - killing is no problem.". The people with these views, whereever they live, should all be locked in a room together. I'm disgusted by them. Such a tragedy and a terrible waste of life. So sad for all concerned. Rest in Peace.

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I would just like to thank all the Islamophobics out there who post their crap all over the internet and helped give this guy fodder for his nutty ideas. Serioiusly. Great job. /sarcasm

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This is an awful tragedy, This poor deluded man needs extensive examinations to find what makes him tick and how to make him better. We need to discover what makes the human mind do thes ethings, words like evil are an easy way out of not solving and repairing societies ills.

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This is Horrible ..... He describe himself as Conservative Christian a Christian himself, and His Islamophobia ......

From now World Have to concern seriously about these dangerous Christian Terrorists ...

There Threat to the Peace loving World .

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@steve

Well said, mate. But you'll not endear yourself to the pitchfork brigade.

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I would just like to thank all the Islamophobics out there who post their crap all over the internet and helped give this guy fodder for his nutty ideas. Serioiusly. Great job. /sarcasm

What - no chewitup love for the violent jihad sites that also fill the net?

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What is interesting to me is that, even though he killed 92 people, in Norway, the penalty is punishable for up to 21 years. Wow! So in 21 years, he'll be able to walk the streets again, so the Norwegian believe in rehabilitation over life in prison, nice....

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What is interesting to me is that, even though he killed 92 people, in Norway, the penalty is punishable for up to 21 years.

He will be 53, and if we take the average life span in Norway, have another 25 years or so to enjoy his life.

Crazy.

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Thinking he was going against the evil of Islamic terrorism, he created the mirror image, the equal, and the equally reprehensible, and has fallen into the same trap. Same box, mate.

Christian fundamentalism, Islamic fundamentalism, whatever the uniform, whatever the 'reason' given, he has broken the deepest rule, the sanctity of life, and stepped over into robotland.

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BreitbartVictorious: you have to link Islam to it for what reason? Because this massacre doesn't fit your agenda?

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BreitbartVictorious: you have to link Islam to it for what reason? Because this massacre doesn't fit your agenda?

I have no agenda.

I am not actually the Andrew Breitbart.

"Chewitup' is the one who made the link.

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Again, I cannot believe this tragedy. I'm not going to blame all of Christianity or label it the 'religion of hate' as others do when Muslim nutters commit atrocities, but instead simply state it was the act of one extremely deranged individual. True, he used religious ideology as a means for attacking and to defend himself, but as with radical Islamists he's simply twisted the words to his own end.

As for people moaning about Norwegian law, it is what it is, and I respect that they are not going to change it based on the act of this one insane individual. That said, I doubt he would ever see the outside world again -- and if he does, it won't be for long. He'll likely be killed by someone somewhere along the line. I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying it's highly likely.

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An unbelievable tragedy. Unbelievable......

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True, he used religious ideology as a means for attacking and to defend himself, but as with radical Islamists he's simply twisted the words to his own end.

Exactly. But we still have to point out the hypocrisy, because this tragedy is founded in it. If the next tragedy is done by people claiming to be Muslim, we will never here the end of the religious connection. But now that its a person claiming to be Christian, we get downplaying of the fact and complaints about it. Its beyond two faced and it perpetuates the blind hate and misunderstanding.

I would say this guy is no Christian just llike so many people who committed similar acts are not Muslims.

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It is as clear as day that guy is a deranged Gamer. The media said he plays WoW and Call of Duty. Obvious.

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He looks like an Olympic skier and quotes John Stuart Mills to justify murdering innocent men, women and children. He is not your stereotypical loser dumb right-wing knuckle dragger. I would think that he is deranged. Deranged people can plan and execute hideous crimes just as intelligent people can commit crimes of passion.

What twisted him is obviously the right-wing politics of hate. This is the stuff that is spewed by the likes of Ann Coulter and other conservatives. I believe in this case the evil deed began with evil words. I would like to know who he has been reading and listening to.

Maybe what drove this guy nuts was the overall tolerance, humanity and reasonableness of Norway. There is no big organization there like France's Front National and the US's Tea Party where a bigot like himself can safely let off steam and feel a sense of real power. I doubt that even the Progressive Party's conservatism doesn't come near anything as rapid as one gets out of the Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann tyoe Republicans.

We will presently learn more from this man who was amazing taken alive. Norway, being humane, will treat him humanely when they punish him.

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Look at the man he is very Handsome...Looks very innocent...pretty boy. How can you called him a Terrorist..? I can not believe.

He has no thick beard...He is white... of course He is a professional... He has all good Qualities, as we always look in people. After finishing his prison terms , I guess ... He can come to japan and get marry to a Japanese woman in her forties.

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Perhaps the majority of Norweigians will conclude that Breivik's execution is necessary.

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What twisted him is obviously the right-wing politics of hate. This is the stuff that is spewed by the likes of Ann Coulter and other conservatives.

I seriously doubt Ann Coulter lives in his head the way she does in yours.

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What is interesting to me is that, even though he killed 92 people, in Norway, the penalty is punishable for up to 21 years. Wow! So in 21 years, he'll be able to walk the streets again, so the Norwegian believe in rehabilitation over life in prison, nice....

The liberal moral code among Norway's people does not condone state-sponsored murder of those who have committed a criminal act, no matter how heinous. Many Norwegians believe that accepting murder by the state puts them on similar moral ground as the criminal in this event. I am sure also that the anger of many will cause them to press for changes to the law. Let us hope that Norwegians don't give in to their worst impulses, and so remain an example to the rest of the world.

In 21 years, it is extremely likely that Breivik will no longer be a danger to others. Today, he his right-wing extremist views compel him to defend and justify his actions. With time, he will certainly be "de-programmed" out of his radical views and slowly come to see his awful crimes for what they truly are. If I had to put money on an eventual outcome, I would lay odds that he wouldn't be able to bear the weight of his crimes and therefore will opt for death by his own hand.

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There is no big organization there like France's Front National and the US's Tea Party where a bigot like himself can safely let off steam and feel a sense of real power.

He was member of quite a few groups , including neo-nazi ones. You know, 'Nazi' , as in Nationalsozialist. He was 'into' organic farming. Did his hobby of playing World Of War help him 'let off steam and feel a sense of real power', or did it result in even greater psychic inflation of his delusions?In short, he was crazy, and in his craziness he appears to be all over the place, ideologically. In some of his writings he insists he is 'anti-racist.' As justification for his actions he quotes john Stuart Mill who, like Orwell, is claimed by Left and Right as one of their own. His fascination with the Knights Templar reminds me of some of the Renaissance fair goers you meet in America, Society for Creative Anachronism goofs, adults still stuck in the D and D / Hobbit world of their early adolescence.

I doubt that even the Progressive Party's conservatism doesn't come near anything as rapid as one gets out of the Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann tyoe Republicans.

[huh?]

You look kind of strange trying to explain the actions of lunatic who shoots scores of children, and you look desperate trying to somehow link it to a congresswoman from Minnesota who has adopted and cared for 23 children, in addition to raising five of her own.

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Perhaps the majority of Norweigians will conclude that Breivik's execution is necessary.

Norway is largely composed of people who genuinely believe in humanity, and who understand that there is often great vulnerability when freedoms are great. I don't believe they will make the foolish choice of sacrificing their freedoms as a society in the cause of greater security.

One change I do believe will come from this will be more careful consideration of those who hold and espouse radical right-wing views within their society. It is among those Norwegians that you'll find the ones who can accept and defend murder.

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What twisted him is obviously the right-wing politics of hate. This is the stuff that is spewed by the likes of Ann Coulter and other conservatives.

Yes, there truly are dangerous ideas.

The stuff spewed by the likes of Coulter and others of her ilk -- who've taken "conservatism" well beyond limits of decency and civility -- indicate that it's the liberals in society, the ones who advocate for diversity, equality, and multiculturalism, who are the true evil. As with those who calmly walk in a murder abortion providers, a radical right-winger like Breivik takes his ideas to the next logical step that the "evil" must be physically destroyed by any means necessary.

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From the killer's own writing, now coming online:

"I am very proud of my Viking heritage. My name, Breivik ... "

Like I said above, this is some weird European right wing stuff.

His 1,500 page manifesto speaks of its author as one of the leaders of a greater European nationalist paramilitary movement, a movement which claims to be a revival of the ancient Knights Templar.I get the impression that it's not Ann Coulter he reads, it's StuffWhitePeopleLike authors like Dan Brown, Da Vinci Code .

Apparently the guy thought of himself as "Justiciar Knight Commander for Knights Templar Europe."

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yabits: Norway is largely composed of people who genuinely believe in humanity..."

Are you saying there are some countries which are largely composed of people who don't genuinely believe in humanity?

" ... I don't believe they will make the foollish choice of sacrificing their freedoms"

Executing this madman would be sacrificing their freedoms? Um, no.

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Serrano; Think Yabits is correct. Some countries cast humanity aside and believe in books allegedly written thousands of years ago and even base laws on those books.

Making state murder lawfull is a loss of freedoms and liberty.Some don't get it,you allow one person s acts to change ahwole countires law and restrict freedoms, ridiculous.

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Well, since Norway doesn't execute people no matter how henious the crime, perhaps Mr. Breivik here can be rehabilitated, lol.

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Making state murder lawfull is a loss of freedoms and liberty.Some don't get it,you allow one person s acts to change ahwole countires law and restrict freedoms, ridiculous.

Reports say the police took 90 minutes to reach the scene of the massacre. Executions are hardly the only way the state makes murder possible...

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Let's kill him, him bad , nyuk nyuk nyuk. Death penalty has made America so safe!!! Mmmmm,good vs evil, or what, no analysis just hatred.

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Reports say the police took 90 minutes to reach the scene of the massacre. Executions are hardly the only way the state makes murder possible...

Ah, so the nanny state has to make all of its areas reachable by the police in minimal time, otherwise they are complicit in murder. Very revealing.

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"I am very proud of my Viking heritage. My name, Breivik ... " Like I said above, this is some weird European right wing stuff.

No. This is akin to the thinking of those of any nation who fancy themselves having a special link to their founding fathers. In Breivik's case, it's necessarily of Scandinavian roots. But the thinking is the same.

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Taxes are already high enough in Norway, Norweigians don't need to spend money keeping this wacko Breivik alive for decades.

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In short, he was crazy, and in his craziness he appears to be all over the place, ideologically.

No more so than your desperate attempts to explain it all away, which have you all over the place.

Ideologically, Breivik reached one critical point where he lost sight of reality. I maintain that today's right-wing thinking, as it increases in making extremism more acceptable, brings more people to that point than any other -- and the mentally weak go right over the edge.

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Ah, so the nanny state has to make all of its areas reachable by the police in minimal time, otherwise they are complicit in murder. Very revealing.

No, the provision that the police be able to, you know, protect the people who pay their wages,is the sole point the Nanny State you crave would have in common with the Night Watchman State I prefer. Nowhere did I say the police were complicit. But I do think they or those in charge of camp security were negligent.

Or are you actually trying to say the police are blameless here? Don't forget - the killer was posing as a police officer.

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No. This is akin to the thinking of those of any nation who fancy themselves having a special link to their founding fathers.

LOL. Yeah, cuz when ya think of Vikings, it's the debates they held and recorded for posterity that comes to mind, forever wrangling over the ideal form of governance, ranging over 2500 years of Greek,Roman, and European history. Pirates were also actually quite civilized. Just watch one of those Johnny Depp flicks.

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The Internet document—part diary, part bomb-making manual and part political rant in which he details his Islamophobia—explains how he set up front mining and farming businesses to prepare the attacks for which he was arrested on Friday.

And yet no red flags went up in the FBI or CIA?

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LOL. Yeah, cuz when ya think of Vikings, it's the debates they held and recorded for posterity that comes to mind, forever wrangling over the ideal form of governance, ranging over 2500 years of Greek,Roman, and European history. Pirates were also actually quite civilized. Just watch one of those Johnny Depp flicks.

Your sarcasm reveals a cartoonish view of Scandinavian history. The Icelandic Althing is the oldest parliamentary institution in the world still extant, founded in 930.

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Or are you actually trying to say the police are blameless here?

Perhaps the police were busy with other stuff, like the bomb that had just blown up the executive government quarter?

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"Breivik described himself on his Facebook page as "conservative"

He's no conservative, he's a wacko.

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No, the provision that the police be able to, you know, protect the people who pay their wages,is the sole point the Nanny State you crave would have in common with the Night Watchman State I prefer.

Overall, Norwegian society, including the police, have done quite well for themselves. This horrendous and carefully planned massacre by an extreme right-winger -- something that might happen once every 50 years in their society -- is preferable to the kind of society where smaller numbers of people are slaughtered on a daily basis, leading to a vastly larger cumulative rate.

The police are not beyond criticism; I would not say they bear any part of the blame. Whatever blame could be put on them would have to be shared by the community as a whole for not seeing the obvious danger behind a person spouting the kind of right-wing thinking that Breivik was engaged in.

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Yeah, cuz when ya think of Vikings, it's the debates they held and recorded for posterity that comes to mind...

Breivik engaged in myth-making about his ancestors, just as any individuals do who believe in the exceptionalism of their own nation-state.

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He's no conservative, he's a wacko.

That's a simple way of trying to say Breivik's political views and affiliations can be completely disregarded and dismissed. This attitude to want to deny any and all connections to them is part of the problem.

Rather than choosing to be part of a civil and liberal Norwegian society -- as the young people at this camp were preparing themselves for -- Breivik chose to graft himself onto a tree that would bear a different kind of result.

There are many more Breivik's in the world, nurtured on the fundamental concept that extremism in the pursuit of an end is not a vice. It's why he defends his actions so blatantly.

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yabits, you're trying to blame this wacko's despicable actions on conservatism. As Bill Clinton would say, that dog ain't gonna hunt.

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This is just horrible, horrible. I would bot be surprised if this rampage was back in the USA or narcos in Mexico at each others throats, but Norway?? They will need some deep, deep SOUL SEARCHING ASAP. RIP dead Norwegian amigos.

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hes really disturbed...

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It is as clear as day that guy is a deranged Gamer. The media said he plays WoW and Call of Duty. Obvious.

Jack the Ripper reportedly left a copy of MW2 at the scene. Yes, that would explain it.

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chewitup: "But now that its a person claiming to be Christian, we get downplaying of the fact and complaints about it"

Agreed.

Tokyo Cherry Boy: "The media said he plays WoW and Call of Duty"

So do a LOT of people, but I don't see them out killing. BTW, did you know that something like 80% of violent video games have been made in Japan or through Japanese companies? Shouldn't Japan comprise 80% of the world's violent crimes if video games have anything to do with what happened then?

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yabits, you're trying to blame this wacko's despicable actions on conservatism.

I will trust that more intelligent readers will see how wrong your statement is. No one has blamed conservatism, per se. So we can put that strawman aside.

To blame are people who have adopted a certain viewpoint about their nation needing to be brought back to some more-ideal past condition -- and who are willing to act out violence on others to attain it. Breivik felt "tread upon" by modern, liberal, multicultural Norwegian society and so therefore felt completely justified in taking the actions he did. In today's world, that viewpoint of alienation from government and community is more far more likely to be found among the ranks of those who associate themselves with conservatives, however loosely.

The important thing to recognize is that self-styled patriot/ideologues like Breivik (and McVeigh, Rudolf, and those who murder abortion providers) are nurtured by a viewpoint that people should be prepared to resort to violence when they feel "trod upon." I am extremely confident that Breivik would resoundingly agree that the cause of Norway required watering its tree with blood. We can expect to see many more of these kinds of killings going forward -- especially because so many on the faction that provides them with their ideological underpinnings want to deny it all.

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'"I am very proud of my Viking heritage. My name, Breivik ... " Like I said above, this is some weird European right wing stuff.'

You know, I met this guy Mr. Fujii once and he told me about how a great samurai had the same name. I said it was actually the name of a flower (wisteria, and in his case combined with 'well') and he got upset and insisted it was a samurai name. When I asked where the samurai got the name from he froze up and turned bright red.

Point is, doesn't matter where your name comes from, and if people want to think it comes from some grand history, fine. Doesn't mean that everyone who has the name of some viking or samurai is some 'weird right-winger'. The guy was deranged, bottom line -- nothing to do with heritage.

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No one has blamed conservatism, per se. So we can put that strawman aside.

yabits, you are far too kind. It was less of a strawman and more of a failure to comprehend your well written posts. Part of the reason for the failure to comprehend? Always being on the hunt for a fight and an enemy! And Serrano identifies right or left do you think? (groan)

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I will never be able again to trust any police officer in a uniform.

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@Yabits

yabits, you're trying to blame this wacko's despicable actions on conservatism. As Bill Clinton would say, that dog ain't gonna hunt.

Please don't even go there. You have your ideologues on both sides, let's not blame Ann Coulter, who by the way is not even close to radical or endorses ideological radicalism. A staunch Conservative, absolutely. I never heard any conservative on this thread saying, we have to be vigilant around the radical liberals such as Eugene Robinson or Chris Hayes. Stay on topic, please. We know you despise Conservatives, we got it. But try not to pigeonhole people and naming them something that they are NOT. Not the issue nor is this the proper forum for that topic. Save it for the political stories. The real issue is, will Norway change their social laws in light of what happened. 21 years is not that long of time and who knows, with good behavior, he might be paroled earlier, if this is what you call humane, I would hate see what harsh punishment would be.

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yabits:

I will trust that more intelligent readers will see how wrong your statement is. No one has blamed conservatism, per se. So we can put that strawman aside.

Intelligent readers wish to point out that it is spelled straw man.

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Yabits:

Breivik felt "tread upon" by modern, liberal, multicultural Norwegian society and so therefore felt completely justified in taking the actions he did. In today's world, that viewpoint of alienation from government and community is more far more likely to be found among the ranks of those who associate themselves with conservatives, however loosely.

Norway is not America. America is not Norway. Again, your Ameri-centrism is embarrassing. Please, do a little research. European notions of patria have no equivalence here.

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You have your ideologues on both sides

Over the past two decades, the vast majority of attacks of this nature have come not from left-wing ideologues, but from self-styled, self-identified "patriots" and crusaders from the right-wing. The vast majority.

We know you despise Conservatives, we got it. But try not to pigeonhole people and naming them something that they are NOT

I do not despise conservatives. I disdain the notions of so many who are too blind to see how their violence-tinged rhetoric and symbols give intellectual support that people like Breivik depend upon. By completely denying the very link that Breivik himself -- a guy who appears to be very lucent and clear in the months that he took to plan these attacks -- placed within the conservative, anti-"socialist" faction, conservatives practically guarantee that events of this kind will continue everywhere these conditions exist.

We have to recognize that the blind spot that so many conservatives have about this is one that has not been brought about by happenstance; on the contrary, the blind spot has been carefully erected and maintained. Conservatives, generally speaking, strongly endorse an individual's right to maintain lethal firepower to be used when the individual feels they have been threatened or "trod upon" by elements of his government or society. (It is for the individual to decide when to unleash it.) Breivik is clearly telling us that. His enemies were no different from the conservatives' enemies.

When a radical ideologue like a Coulter expresses regret that the New York Times building was not targeted on 9/11, it should be very easy for intelligent people to understand the danger posed by this endorsement of violence, and to find it an echo of the government building targeted by Breivik. You want to arm people and feed them with this kind of rhetoric and then pretend there can never be any consequences?

Conservatives show just how terribly intellectually weak they truly are when the best they can come up with is a call for the death penalty; i.e. more killing and more violence.

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yabits:

When a radical ideologue like a Coulter expresses regret that the New York Times building was not targeted on 9/11, it should be very easy for intelligent people to understand the danger posed by this endorsement of violence,

Coulter? Coulter is an entertainer, like the racist, hate-filled misogynist Bill Maher.

What does Ann Coulter have to do with some violent 32 y.o. fantasist living in Norway?

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Nothing. No further references to Coulter, Maher or any other American commentators please.

Norway suspect says killings were atrocious but necessary

"If You Want to Make an Omelet, You Must Be Willing to Break a Few Eggs." - Vladimir Lenin

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First I would like to express my personal condolence to everyone in Norway, especially to those innocent victims and their families. It is beyond my comprehension and I am still in shock.

The reality is that we are living among these extreme religious fundamentalists and political extremism. They believe in NO WAY- HIGHWAY- MY WAY. Some of them maintain a low profile life style, and they come out from nowhere and shoot us. Let's be more cautious and vigilant. That's all we can do against wacko.

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@steve

Let's kill him, him bad , nyuk nyuk nyuk. Death penalty has made America so safe!!! Mmmmm,good vs evil, or what, no analysis just hatred.

Anyone else note the irony of him posting this garbage on a news site focused on Japan, one of the safest countries in the world that also uses the death penalty?

P.S. I don't even support the death penalty. I do support life in prison for this guy, though.

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According to the stats put out by the International Psychological Organization for the Rehab of Criminals that Murder, it takes approximately 1 year for rehab to succeed. So, 92 murders=92 years.

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it takes approximately 1 year for rehab to succeed. So, 92 murders=92 years.

legs, where did you get the figure? Many appear in front of judges claiming "Born Again Christian" and plea for a lighter sentence. The fact is so many never come to their senses after many years of therapy. The first step for recovery is to feel remorse by recognizing what they have done was wrong.

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@yabits

Like I said before, I never hear you condemning liberal ideology or liberal hate speech or especially when liberals always use the race card to achieve by any means their political agenda. The Fort Hood shooting was done by an American citizen that harbored radical Islamist views, but what did the left do? They milked the situation in blaming Conservatives for this lunatics behavior. What I'm saying is, that I never hear liberals address the problems of liberal radicalism-EVER. It's always, if it's Palin, pound her into mud, if a conservative would do the same, they are "sexist" if a conservative has concerns about tightening our borders and call for strict LEGAL immigration then they are "racists" If a conservative value "traditional" family values, they are called "homophobic" if conservatives have extra-marital affairs, liberals want them run out of town. If conservatives want to cut spending, they are "heartless" So you say, you have nothing against conservatives, but your posts reflects otherwise. I'm not trying to go off topic here, but liberals speak with so much Hypocracy, always thinking that they are flawless and incapable of ever, ever doing anything remotely bad. Again, if you want to debate ideology, then stop demagoguing and being one-sided, be fair in your overall criticism and condemn ALL forms of radical ideology and violence.

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AP is now reporting parts of the killer's 'manifesto' were taken almost word for word from the writings of violent eco-nutjob Ted "Unabomber" Kaczynski.

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I can't believe this lunatic Breivik is going to live for decades off the Norweigian taxpayers after killing 90 Norweigians.

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Like I said before, I never hear you condemning liberal ideology or liberal hate speech or especially when ...

Liberals, as the people of Norway and the world now know, have to live in a world where they are despised by right-wing extremists to the point where they can be killed indiscriminately.

Right-wing extremists, in order to justify their intentions of violence simply have to fabricate lies that it's the liberals who are actually the haters, despite the fact that there has never been nor could never be an attack of this type carried out by a person who calls himself a liberal. "Liberal-radicalism" is a self-contradictory term concocted by someone who hasn't a clue what liberalism is. That is exactly part of the Big Lie that mentally unstable people like Breivik feed off of.

So you say, you have nothing against conservatives, but your posts reflects otherwise.

There is a vast difference between saying I "despise conservatives" and then claiming I say I have nothing against them. I have plenty of criticism to level at them, starting with their acceptance of violence that often reaches the level of glorification.

condemn ALL forms of radical ideology and violence.

Of course I condemn all forms of radicalism and violence. That is precisely why I am proudly a liberal.

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That is precisely why I am proudly a liberal.

Well said, yabits.

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Of course I condemn all forms of radicalism and violence. That is precisely why I am proudly a liberal.

As do I as as Conservative, so we are both in agreement in condemning violence and radicalism of any form.

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so we are both in agreement in condemning violence and radicalism of any form.

You must have adopted your stance quite recently, being that you wrote the following:

but I'd rather see a Tomahawk missile up his nose!

That doesn't appear to be a statement from one who condemns violence of any form. It appears to me that your "conservative" stance on violence comes with a very heavy dose of self-delusion.

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So, if someone slaps you in the face, spits on you or hits you, you would just hand them a daisy? You are taking my qoutes way out of context. If I have to use violence to keep the peace, it doesn't necessarily make me a violent person. Since you took the trouble to find that qoute, why don't you put up the quote where I said, "I am totally against the death penalty, unless it is for the most unspeakable atrocious, heinous crimes" I know liberals think that every wrong thing you do in life doesn't need accountability and you live by the motto of "DO NOT judge us" shows the bias and intolerance that liberals are known for.

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If I have to use violence to keep the peace, it doesn't necessarily make me a violent person

If you look at those words, you'll find how closely they echo the title of this thread in the logic expressed by Breivik. He thought violence was necessary too as part of the culture war to defend Norway against liberals who were endangering it. If using violence is ok to "keep the peace," then it all comes down to how much disharmony one person can tolerate before resorting to it.

I pray for people like Breivik and other conservatives who hate liberals so much they have to project their own fear and intolerance onto them. It is that hatred which is at the root of violence.

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@Yabits

You can think whatever you want and see whatever illogical skewed viewpoint you wish, but the point is views are NOT even closely to Breivik's. So to equate me and him as the same, shows that you really are wearing rose-colored glasses. Believe what you must, killing 93 people is NOT the same as DEFENDING myself or my wife or child in a violent situation. Breivik is a monster and in this situation, I think, I would waiver his right to being incarcerated for 21 years. Life without the possibility of parole, sentenced to 23 hours lock down and hard labor would be something I would root for and highly recommend.

I also pray for liberals that hate conservatives so much that they have to play the race card, being the constant victim for anything or any agenda that suits their needs, constantly attacking people that don't share their viewpoints or that they can milk the system until there is nothing left. It is that hatred which is the root of fear and intimidation.

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@yabits this is off topic but man who murdered Ghandi made a rather valid point. As we all know Ghandi was a great man that always made his resistance and protests peaceful. But when he prayed at a mosque in order to promote peace between all faiths, another hindi murdered him. His simple ideology was this, "If people keep sitting back being peaceful and not fighting back then another 100 will be murdered. If people keep sitting back being peaceful and not fighting back then another thousand will be murder, then a million, then a billion... until there is only one left that will not fight back because they are trying to be peaceful. They kill the final peaceful person left, then who is left to fight back?"

It would be nice if we never had to kill others to keep what bit of peace we have, but unfortunately mankind is just not that way.

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smithjapan:

" True, he used religious ideology as a means for attacking and to defend himself, "

How do you come up with stuff like this? Go and read his manifesto. There is a link to it on Wiki. It is patently absurd to claim that his use "religious ideology" for his attack, the way jihadists do. There is NOTHING in his writing about pleasing god or going to heaven.

Fundamentally, he sees himself as trying to save his country from the path of destruction that the socialist politicians and their multicult doctrine has put it on. It is a political manifesto, and a well-written one. His conclusion that committing mass-murder is necessary is of course crazy.

But please read before you make such simplistic and wrong claims.

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