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Texas measles outbreak fueled by distrust in public health and personal choice

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By DEVI SHASTRI/Associated Press and CARLOS NOGUERAS RAMOS/Texas Tribune

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It’s antivaxers “doing their own research”…

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If this didn't involve kids dying and being hurt, these people would deserve Darwin Awards.

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The Department of Health SHOULD NOT be led by someone who once said that getting measles is great.

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The Secretary of Health, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has advised people to have the measles vaccine.

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More MAGA winning!!!

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And what does RFK Jr. advise?

Consult your local doctor and do what you think is best.

Thanks a lot!

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“And I get from (Kennedy) that he doesn’t trust all the vaccines, either. And he is very well educated in that; I’m not.”

Dumb people trusting dumb famous people.

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And on the national stage, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the country’s top health official and an anti-vaccine activist, dismissed the Texas outbreak as “not unusual.”

Which is just another of his well documented lies, the first death in 10 years, the first child death in more than 20 is definitely outside of what is usual.

“Do I trust all the vaccines? No,” Klassen said. “And I get from (Kennedy) that he doesn’t trust all the vaccines, either. And he is very well educated in that; I’m not.”

He has zero education about vaccines and a well known antiscientific disposition of rejecting any and all evidence that proves anything that hurts his chances of making a profit.

The COVID-19 pandemic caused “a lot of distrust in public health” and government requirements

No, it was not the pandemic (that happened around the world with most countries not developing this insane distrust), it was the way politicians and one percenters weaponized disinformation and antiscientific propaganda to manipulate people in the same way conspiracy groups and cults do, by blaming something for everything bad that happened and promising everything would be much better if people just rejected science and ignored the measures being used against the disease.

This is the "much better" situation that developed thanks to that manipulation.

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Texas measles outbreak fueled by distrust in public health and personal choice

No, it is the result of religious stupidity.

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I really wish they placed a real experienced doctor at the position. Is it me, or does RFK always look and sound sick. He's constantly coughing and his voice sounds incoherent. He definitely has something. Definitely not a picture of good health. Just saying because I would tend to trust a doctor who actually looks and seems healthy, over one who is constantly sick.

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Religion and social media.

The two most dangerous sources of bad ideas out there?

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Can you smell that freedom yet, Texts?

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Antivaxxer third world MAGA..

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so is RFK Jr still an “anti-vaxxer”?

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so is RFK Jr still an “anti-vaxxer”?

Ask him - let me know what he says...

is he still the "world's biggest liberal lunatic"?

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He publicly said he isn’t an “anti vaxxer” and never has been.

so sorry to inform you of another false liberal claim bring debunked.

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He publicly said he isn’t an “anti vaxxer” and never has been.

so sorry to inform you of another false liberal claim bring debunked.

OK, so once more;

Is he still a {Dem Plant" and the "world's biggest liberal lunatic"?

And why did Trump lie to you saying the COVID vaccine was "safe"?

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so is RFK Jr still an “anti-vaxxer”?

Yes except if you ask the worst of the antivaxxers then he became a shill from big pharma, etc. etc.

In reality the effects of his actions are still disastrous, as many people are saying just because the arsonist pulled the fire alarm when he got caught in the fire that does not mean he is no longer one.

He publicly said he isn’t an “anti vaxxer” and never has been.

And he was confronted with evidence where he disqualifies each and every vaccine in human history as unsafe and ineffective. He has been found lying repeatedly about a wide variety of topics, from HIV not causing AIDS to microbes not being the cause of infections. His default position seems to be lying even if there is no clear benefit in doing it.

so sorry to inform you of another false liberal claim bring debunked.

When someone caught lying repeatedly says "I am not a liar" that does not mean he debunked anything. Even about the current outbreak he has repeatedly pushed false information.

"This is not unusual" first death in 10 years, first child death in more than 20

"hospitalized patients are only there for quarantine", according to the doctors in charge patients are NOT hospitalized only to quarantine them but to receive treatment for serious problems.

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RFKjr is not any more "anti-vax" than Ralph Nader was "anti-car" for wanting to increase car safety with seat belts.

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We can expect cases to increase as the generation that has long-lived natural immunity dies off. Immunity conferred by vaccination is not as good and doesn't last as long.

"A little girl in this mostly Mennonite congregation was among those who’d fallen ill with the highly contagious respiratory disease, senior pastor David Klassen said — but she’s doing fine, and she happily played through her quarantine."

Oh dear! Anyway, now that little girl is protected....

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RFKjr is not any more "anti-vax" than Ralph Nader was "anti-car" for wanting to increase car safety with seat belts.

RFKjr routinely spreads false information, is unable to accept any evidence that puts in risk his income and is on record saying he does not consider any vaccine safe and effective several times, it is difficult to be more antivax than that, openly antivaxx groups do say he is one of them.

We can expect cases to increase as the generation that has long-lived natural immunity dies off.

Much more importantly as the people that refuse vaccines become more common, these are the people that overwhelmingly are being infected.

Oh dear! Anyway, now that little girl is protected

One child is already dead without any need, for the first time in the US in more than 20 years, also surivvors of measles are not left completely healthy and long lasting problems (including immune problems) are well described on them.

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RFKjr is not any more "anti-vax" than Ralph Nader was "anti-car" for wanting to increase car safety with seat belts.

RFKjr routinely spreads false information,

Says you.

is on record saying he does not consider any vaccine safe and effective several times, it is difficult to be more antivax than that, openly antivaxx groups do say he is one of them.

He is correct. He is not saying they are unsafe. He is saying they have yet to be adequately tested for safety.

He is not saying there should be no vaccines. He is saying the vaccines should be adequately tested. He is not anti-vax, he is pro-safe-vax.

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Says you.

Says every credible source of information, there are even sources where he is confronted with the false information he spreads without him ever refuting it.

He is correct. He is not saying they are unsafe. He is saying they have yet to be adequately tested for safety.

He is not correct, being in denial of clear and solid evidence is what makes him an antivaxxer, for the medical science community of the world there is more than enough objective evidence to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that vaccines are safe and effective, ignoring that evidence and proposing unethical human experimentation that gives even weaker evidence is just being a science denialist. Again, when antivaxxer groups readily accept him as one of them there is very little excuses to use to deny this fact.

He is not saying there should be no vaccines.

Yes he is, when he falsely claims the vaccines produce more damage than what they prevent he is precisely doing that, he is openly lying about it and is unable to accept any evidence presented that can hurt his sources of money, that is the opposite of what anybody interested in increasing the safety and efficacy of vaccines would do, but exactly what antivaxxers routinely do. He is antivaxx for any reasonable interpretation of the term.

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He is not saying there should be no vaccines.

Yes he is

No he isn't.

Why would he want proper tests done on vaccines if he doesn't want any vaccines?

he is openly lying about it and is unable to accept any evidence presented that can hurt his sources of money

How would he make money by banning vaccines? The real money is in promoting and selling vaccines.

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No he isn't.

When even antivaxxers agree that he is one your personal and unsubstantiated opinion is not really something that can refute this. Every source of information has clear examples where he has acted as an antivaxxer while claiming he is not.

Why would he want proper tests done on vaccines if he doesn't want any vaccines?

To have an excuse to reject any and all vaccines as he has always done, the people that know the most about vaccines, infections, immunity, etc. Clearly say they are tested properly, but since RFKjr rejects any and all evidence that comes in the way of him making profit he will never accept he is wrong.

Is like all other people that support an impossible conspiracy while pretending they are only trying to get "actually true information".

How would he make money by banning vaccines?

His only appeal to his current position is to reject scientific knowledge to get popularity, he even had to recognize he profited directly from antivaxxer activities.

The real money is in promoting and selling vaccines.

But for that people have to study and prepare in order to do better than the people that actually promote and sell vaccines as safe and effective medical interventions in a highly competitive environment. He has demonstrated he does not have that kind of capacity, he even used his brain parasite as an argument to prove it.

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even had to recognize he profited directly from antivaxxer activities.

You mean as a paid consultant?

the people that know the most about vaccines, infections, immunity, etc. Clearly say they are tested properly

Just those who profit from them. Plenty of top experts in the field say otherwise.

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You mean as a paid consultant?

He made money explicitly for this antivaxxer activities, even when he previously said this was not the case, he had to accept he lied about it.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rfk-jr-admits-he-didnt-come-clean-on-anti-vax-fortune/

If he lied about this specific source it is perfectly logical to think he has lied about many others in the same way.

Just those who profit from them. Plenty of top experts in the field say otherwise.

Baseless accusation that does not make any sense the moment every single institution of medical science in the world fully support the conclusion. It is beyond believable everybody (but known liars) are in this supposed global conspiracy. That would be as likely as every scientist being in the conspiracy to hide that the planet is flat.

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This article proves how uneducated the average USAmerican truly is. They go and asked their sect leader what to do to prevent getting infected or as the uneducated journalist writes sickly. Most people in the real world educated or not go to see the local doctor and ask their advice and 99.9999" will recommend getting a vaccine in the above case of measles.

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