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© Copyright 2024 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.U.S., Britain accuse Iran of sending Russia missiles to use in Ukraine
By MATTHEW LEE and JILL LAWLESS LONDON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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JJE
These must be magic missiles and Moscow bought them from the same guy who sold Jack his beans.
Because the only 'evidence' is the words of these two individuals - and to describe that as less than flimsy is an understatement.
JJE
Iran has every right to transfer weapons to other countries it sees fit.
It does not it make party to the conflict remember.
Coming from the two countries who have transferred huge amounts of offensive weaponry to the Kyiv regime, it is also a textbook exercise in the double standards and hypocrisy of the Atlanticists.
Underworld
JJE
Sure. And actions have consequences. Expect sanctions.
It aligns Iran with the wrong side of this conflict.
Mr Kipling
Just more of the usual US/ vassal hypocrisy... "Stop doing what we are doing".
JJE
Important to observe these are non-UN mandated sanctions, an affront to public decency and illegal.
And they've already sanctioned Iran to the rafters. Sanctions make countries stronger in the long run anyway.
Banthu
And in other news... Zelensky has now received shipments of these ballistic missiles and will likely use them within weeks in Russia, against Russians.
Btw, the Iranian missiles are short range. They were ordered to be used against targets in Kursk, which is internationally recognized Russian territory.
Even the US and UK recognized Kursk as sovereign Russian territory.
Russian can fire missiles on its own territory as it pleases.
JJE
Battlefield update from the Kursk incursion:
A number of hours ago, unconfirmed reports started about a lightning Russian counter offensive in the Kursk region, with indications a number of villages and settlements had been taken, with heavy AFU losses and even encirclements.
Those reports are looking very much confirmed - video evidence has emerged (still geolocating it) showing Russian armoured columns, backed by drones and artillery, sweeping through towns. One video is quite long and shows what appears to be a large planned combined arms operation. Initial reports indicate a selection of units including the marines (810th, Sevastopol & 155th Vladivostok), 51st Airborne regiment and others including motor rifle formations known to be in the sector took part.
Looks to have opened on the western, northern and perhaps eastern areas. Fluid situation and still unfolding, gathering facts.
TaiwanIsNotChina
It does make it hostile to Kyiv, though, for no gd reason.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Iran is a terrorist and nuclear weapons seeking state. Sanctions could not be more justified and Europe is only know finding this out.
JJE
Here is one of the videos of the Russian counter offensive in Kursk:
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1833614719175057677
TokyoLiving
How much hypocricy of the NATO circus..
They criticize Iran's missiles while they are emptying their own entire arsenal to give it to the kyiv regime..
Since they haven't even been able to stop Russia with that help, that's where their tantrum comes from..
It's a war between NATO and Russia, and NATO is losing it..
Underworld
Banthu
As soon as Putin withdraws from Ukraine, this will stop.
Btw, the Iranian missiles are short range. They were ordered to be used against targets in Kursk, which is internationally recognized Russian territory.
And Ukraine has said that they don’t intend to stay in the region.
Underworld
TokyoLiving
Kyiv are defending themselves from an imperialist war of aggression.
Russia are continuing their imperialist war of aggression.
Antiquesaving
Same two that said Iraq had WMDs.
Yep sure!
What is next, a new "collision of the gullible".?
JJE
Washington has been involved up to its ears in the Ukraine conflict since 2014. Them and their satellites are neck deep in the ongoing Gaza Genocide. Not to mention Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria... all wars of imperialist aggression.
For them to point accusing fingers is a classic example of "the pot calling the kettle black".
Keep in mind these same usual suspects cried 'wolf' about a Russian moonraker-style space weapon last year. This is obviously yet another textbook NATO case of pumping smoke through a transparent trumpet, and they obviously have an ulterior motive here.
Alfie Noakes
A desperate attempt to distract attention from the US and UK arming, funding and supporting the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank.
We've reached a point where nothing that comes out of the mouths of these people can be believed. Nothing.
JJE
Second video that is a sequel to the above:
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1833637886899392781
Underworld
JJE
Helping Ukraine fight Russian imperialism.
Underworld
Antiquesaving
So are you saying that Iran is not sending missiles to Russia?
Antiquesaving
The supposed shipment are Fath 360 short range (30km to 120km ) and 150kg.
Russia has been pounding Ukrainian troops with FAB 500, 1500, 3000 (that is the kg of each type) glide bombs with ranges of 70km and the USA and UK defence officials say Russia has way more than enough and are cheap to produce/convert.
So so honestly why would Russia start dropping 150kg missiles instead of the smallest FAB 500kg glide bombs?
Aly Rustom
Alfie, you beat me to it. I was just going to say that.
No doubt. And the fact that they have the audacity to say it in the first place is astounding.
Antiquesaving
Are you still waiting for the WMD in Iraq?
theFu
I see the deny, deflect and delay team is out in force today. This is about Iran and Russia, not anywhere else.
Underworld
Antiquesaving
They are for civilians.
Underworld
Antiquesaving
Never was. That was a Bush thing. He really wanted to invade Iraq.
RichardPearce
Weapons suppliers to a genocide accusing the most vocal critic of the genocide of supplying missiles to someone who is fighting to keep another genocide regime from capturing a population it wants to eliminate from where they've lived for generations because they are the 'wrong ethnicity'.
I mean, the premise is obscene even before you realize that the purpose of the accusation is to explain away the failed propaganda about Russia 'running out of weapons' and the way their 'absolute superiority in weapons' has been debunked again and again.
Hercolobus
In his book “The Soldier and the State”,
Samuel P Huntington calls this “The Monopoly of Violence”.
lincolnman
Says a lot about your own weapons when you have to go begging to Iran and nKorea for weapons that work - sometimes...
Aly Rustom
RichardPearce- excellent post!
Antiquesaving
Make up your mind!
Before you said the missiles are for inside Kursk where Russia has evacuated civilians and no Ukrainian civilians.
The missiles are up to 120km , FAB max 70km but you think FAB are used to hit Civilian targets deeper in Ukrainian territory?
Your logic in not working!
So lets see how your logic works.
The longer range smaller Fath 360 are to hit Ukrainian troops inside Russia Kursk and the shorter range bigger FAB are to hit Civilian targets deeper inside Ukraine.
Ok I will add that to the ghost of Kiev list.
Antiquesaving
Says even more when 51 plus countries cannot supply Ukraine with enough weapons and Russia is out producing them and this was in a Pentagon report.
So Russia and supposedly North Korea, Iran and China if we believe the USA and UK, are able to supply Russia with more weapons than all 51 other countries can supply to Ukraine.
So 52 (including Ukraine) VS 4 (supposedly) and the 4 are supplying more.
Underworld
Antiquesaving
No, I didn’t.
burgers and beers
"A desperate attempt to distract attention from the US and UK arming, funding and supporting the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. We've reached a point where nothing that comes out of the mouths of these people can be believed. Nothing."
Absolutely. We don't see the usual double standard pro NATO posters calling for sanctions on Biden admin for supplying bombs that blow up kids in Gaza.
burgers and beers
Of course not. That Russians will push them out eventually is a given. Notice nobody mentioned 72 hours though.
Underworld
burgers and beers
And Ukraine has said that they don’t intend to stay in the region."
Unlikely.
burgers and beers
"Russia are continuing their imperialist war of aggression."
The war is a result of decades long western imperialist efforts to expand NATO to Russian borders and strategically weaken / defeat it. Ukraine is used for that purpose. But lets not forget about the trillion$$ worth of natural resources that Ukraine is sitting on and Lindsey Graham just told everyone US would like access to. So there is that too.
Banthu
Every second that Zelensky's forces are there is a violation of International Law and a war crime because they are forcibly occupying homes and looting businesses.
Iran is sending missiles to help restore International Law in the Kursk region.
burgers and beers
Unlikely."
More than likely.
Underworld
Burgers and beers
"Russia are continuing their imperialist war of aggression."
Nope, NATO has nothing to do with this conflict. And even if Ukraine wanted to join a defensive alliance, it doesn’t give Russia license to wage a war of aggression.
This is Russia’s imperialist war, make no mistake.
What are you talking about? Nobody is trying to do anything to Russia. What paranoia.
Well, no. Ukraine has done nothing to Russia, whatsoever.
Yup. Plenty of motivation for Putin and his oligarchs.
lincolnman
I thought Russia was a "military superpower" - you know, didn't need to go begging to third-world countries for bombs and missiles? Thanks for "debunking" that myth...
What?
Huh?
TaiwanIsNotChina
File it with the ICC. They are backlogged with Russia's warcrimes, starting with waging aggressive war.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Too bad exactly zero of that is an actual military attack.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Just completely ignoring the fact that Donbas is legally Ukraine's and Russia is hell bent on regime change, huh?
RichardPearce
PS, so far, the countries backing the Azovian war on Russo-Ukrainians and Russians have accused North Korea, China, and Iran of 'illegally' selling arms to Russia in their attempts to protect their own self image of their roles in WW2.
Despite being relatively easily forced to retreat literally off the edge of continental Europe, Britain has polished a self image of 'standing firm and fighting to the death', and the US, despite flirting with joining on the Axis side before sitting out before eventually joining on the Allied side, has polished a self image of almost single handedly winning the war.
Both these countries have dealt with the fact that Russia singlehandedly caused more casualties, captured more prisoners, destroyed more armor, took more territory than ALL the other Allies combined, and took the capital by insisting that if they hadn't been supplying some of the weapons Russia used in accomplishing that incredible military feat, Russia would have folded the way France, the Netherlands, Sweden etc did.
But if Russia, singlehandedly, can not just hold, but advance in the face of the weapons and ammunition that not just all of the territory Germany held, but that plus those who claim they were the reason Russia was able to advance then, too, well, then those self images are probably lies.
TaiwanIsNotChina
A fascinating rewriting of history, completely ignoring the essential Lend Lease for the USSR's survival, the USSR's original alliance with Nazi Germany to dismantle Poland, and the USSR land thefts that STILL have not been rectified from that war.
Antiquesaving
Isn't the USA been claiming to be the biggest super power, but it cannot supply Ukraine with enough weapons or ammunition?
Nor can the combined countries in NATO?
Remember Ukraine itself keeps complaining it is running out of ammunition and weapons.
You missed the constant complaints from Ukraine that the western supply of weapons and ammunition is running out!
Come on, we must have at least one article a week with Zelensky calling for more ammunition and complaining the Russians are out firing Ukraine.
Huh what?
Is it to hard to understand?
Ukraine is constantly saying it is low on ammunition and weapons, 51 countries are supplying Ukraine while Russia supposedly has 3 countries plus itself and according to all western officials Russia is out firing far more of everything than Ukraine.
So how come the great USA and the other 50 countries are not out producing and out supplying Russia and the supposed other 3 countries?
Antiquesaving
In what universe?
Did you miss all the press conferences, articles, TV news etc...of NATO training camps for Ukrainian soldiers in over a dozen NATO countries under the NATO official banner as a partner!
Come on, at least try to use something less blatantly false.
NATO is fully and openly involved and NATO admits that.
lincolnman
You're the one that admitted Russia was no longer a military superpower. Again, thanks for that frank, and accurate, admission...
??????
Very....
Why does Putin have to go beg third-world countries for weapons? Maybe because he's waging war no only on Ukraine but on his own military establishment also? Why are all these Russian defense officials and Generals being fired or arrested for "corruption"?
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/russia-arrests-another-defence-official-on-fraud-charges/articleshow/112901977.cms?from=mdr
Underworld
Antiquesaving
Nope, NATO has nothing to do with this conflict.
Training to defend Ukraine against Russian aggression after they annexed Crimea and started a war in the Donbas.
But Ukraine bolstering their defensive capabilities had nothing to do with Putin invading.
Antiquesaving
Where did I say that?
You do like inventing things others never said.
And the rest, the "????" etc... act isn't working.
You avoided everything embarrassing for the west.
You avoided addressing the supply problems of the USA and the rest, try addressing that point.
As for Russian corruption, yes we all know about it and at least it is Russia's money.
How about the Ukrainian corruption, Zelensky is constantly firing and investigating his generals and government officials. Billions have gone missing, in Kharkiv he fired the lot because no trenches, no tank barriers no minefields were actually built, the money was stolen by corrupt officials and fake businesses and that money wasn't from Ukraine it was from the coalition of countries including the USA.
For every Russian corruption scandal there is an equal Ukrainian one and the difference is in Russia it is their own money and in Ukraine it is money from other countries.
lincolnman
Here on this thread...
????????????
Money or loyalty? More Prigozhin's perhaps?
Weak deflection...
Kremlin comedy....
Antiquesaving
Where?
You made the claim now show me where!
All you just did was avoid!
Yes you do have weak deflections.
Instead of explaining how it is that the 51 countries supplying Ukraine are unable to supply more and faster than Russia, Iran, North Korea and China, you tried deflecting to Russian corruption and acting like you don't understand.
Nice try.
JJE
Donbass is legally the property of the people of Donbass. They have a right to choose their future direction.
wallace
Donbas is legally part of Ukraine and recognized by the UN.
Antiquesaving
And there we have it!
The proof that you have nothing.
Whenever you or someone like you finds themselves in a position they cannot defend, then the accusations of "Kremlin" this or that is made towards the other person!
You lost due to the facts and so make a not so subtle accusation that I am a Kremlin bot/mouthpiece, (insert the rest of the usual names).
You are unable to explain why the USA and the entire western countries cannot keep up the supply to Ukraine at the same level as Russia, so you resort to everything but facts.
lincolnman
Scroll up....
ROFL...
Failed try - didn't see any answer as to whether Putin is eviscerating his military leadership for corruption or disloyalty...
Antiquesaving
Ok got it you can't!
If you could you would have but you spent 3 comments totally avoiding it.
Eastmann
Iran supplying to Russia.
NATO supplying to UA.
what is all "excitement" about?
Antiquesaving
Because I didn't bring it up, you did in trying to deflect from the question as to how come 51 countries cannot out supply Russia and the other 3.
You made the comment
To which I asked if they are so bad (quality/production) why can't the 51 countries including the USA and UK, etc keep up and out supply with what you seem to think are better quality weapons.
This isn't speculation, Zelensky is constantly complaining, the USA DOD says it won't reach Russias Feb 2024 production levels until mid 2025 and now the same DOD just said Russia has increased production as much a ten fold since February. The EU just announced it not only will not meet ammunition production goals but will actually produce less than the previous year which also missed the earlier lower production goal.
But go ahead try deflecting to Russian corruption instead of the point you yourself brought up "weapons supply".
lincolnman
Thanks for admitting you dodged it....
So?
Corruption or disloyalty? You've failed to answer it twice now...very telling....
burgers and beers
But you did.
burgers and beers
"Nope, NATO has nothing to do with this conflict"
False, war hawks in Washington and Brussels have everything to do with it.
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burgers and beers
Nope, US politicians admitting US wants to control Ukrainian natural resources shows us their true motivation for instigating and continuing the Ukrainian conflict. It's all about strategically weakening Russia in addition to the usual Washington motivation - gaining strategic control of another country resources. At the good old memes say - "You got natural resources ?- then you are in need of some of our fuweedom.!"
TaiwanIsNotChina
Donald Trump tells us millions have died in Ukraine. That would easily make it the most deadly war in the last 70 years and all on Putin. Is he right?
TaiwanIsNotChina
Not as much as the people actually invading...
As pathetic as Russia's military is, Javelins and training are not an actual or potential military attack.
burgers and beers
Nobody believes this kind of NATO misinformation.
burgers and beers
Donald Trump tells us millions have died in Ukraine. That would easily make it the most deadly war in the last 70 years and all on Putin. Is he right?
The Trump obsessed are back. Next they'll tell us Putin weaponized Trump, facepalm.
Antiquesaving
Ok Lincoln.
No problem, you can't answer the simplest questions without deflecting, got it.
You make claims and accusations but then cannot back them up, so more deflecting.
Got it.
The topic was weapons, you don't like the facts on how poorly the west supplies are going and how Russia and the other 3 are doing a better job, so you insult, invent and deflect by trying to change the subject.
The topic and your original post was on weapons and ammunition supplies, which once you realised your mistake of trying to make fun of Russia and that the west is doing worse, you again tried changing the subject.
Why not reply to your original comment instead of trying to change the subject?
TaiwanIsNotChina
NATO has been and is still enjoying the peace dividend. Russia has been investing in eliminating it's young men.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Just like how Chechnya is legally the property of Chechnya? Not how international law works.
TaiwanIsNotChina
In a real war, you won't be dealing with untrained pilots flying F-16s.
JJE
False equivalency. Chechnya has really pulled its weight in the SVO zone.
Donbass is a bit like Kosovo. They both broke away (Crimea too).
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Taiwan belongs to the Taiwanese then :)
JJE
Nope, it doesn't.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Just because you say so?
JJE
No, because Beijing says so.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Washington says no. Should there be ww3 over it, or let people live in peace?
starpunk
Man, things just ain't the same after the USSR ended. During the Cold War they build all their weapons themselves.
Now the rump state of Russia is buying drones and missiles from Little Old Iran, whose regime has long chanted
Death to America
Death to Great Britain
Death to the Soviet Union.
Things have changed.
lincolnman
Good self-assessment...
Got owned....
Nonsense...
Nonsense X2....
Corruption or disloyalty? Third time and no answer... Got it....