Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

Well if it 3 women then it must be true?? Yeah right! I wonder how much $$$ they are being payed to go and spread malicious rumors about this old dude, but since RUSH Limbaugh likes him, and I hate this idiot Rush and the republican party, well I hope they just keep fight like cats and dogs and just make way for 4 more years of my beloved PRESIDENT OBAMA!! Yes we can!!

A third former employee considered filing a workplace complaint against Herman Cain ...

Just show her where she can pick up her settlement check! It's all about getting a share of the cash now.

The Cain camp today put forward their speculation that the revelations about sexual harassment were given to Politico by the Perry camp.

Not a "liberal" operation folks, just your typical conservative infighting.

Jennifer Flowers all over again?

Ha. Okay, so he created a working environment uncomfortable for some of his female staffers: that really is not such a big deal. He's a funny and charismatic guy, and if he'd apologized for it, said that it'd been a learning experienced, and vowed not to let it happen again, it would have sunk as quickly as an Obama proposal in the House.

But noooo. He had to deny, to stonewall, to blame the victims - yes, Wolfpack, these women were the victims. Now he's toast. I predict he'll drop out of the race before the first caucus, and that's too bad because it was so unnecessary.

What do we have? Invited to his apartment and told she was attractive. These are the sexually suggestive and aggressive remarks?

His actions “were inappropriate, and it made me feel uncomfortable,” she said.

Of course they were. Unless you wanted him. In which case it would have been completely appropriate and made you feel grand.

If this woman cannot come up with something sinister, I suggest she be legally required to wear a scarlet letter "B" pinned to her chest as a warning to other men of what she is.

he stepped close to her to make a reference to her height and told her she was the same height as his wife.

Its the only other specific example I can find, but its from another accuser.

If this is what constitutes sexual harrassment to certain women, I suggest those certain women not be permitted to work amongst males. Women who imagine sexual harrassment are just as much trouble as males who actually dish it out. Probably more trouble actually, because you can spot the harrasser and avoid him. But you can't see crazy charges coming until its too late.

Conservatives will natually scream 'conspiracy!' or claim Cain is being attacked because of his skin color, or...or...anything but face up to the fact that like the rest of the GOP presidential candidates, Herman Cain is a go-nowhere, no-ideas joke, which is precisely why conservatives identify so closely with them..

"he stepped close to her to make a reference to her height and told her she was the same height as his wife"

Well if that's not sexual harrassment, I don't know what is!

Bill must be laughing his ass off.

The women who accused Cain of sexual harrassment - isn't one of them his wife?

somebody wants their free paycheck!!!

The Perry camp is now saying, no, it wasn't us, it was Romney's fault... Now this is getting fun.

If this is what constitutes sexual harrassment to certain women, I suggest those certain women not be permitted to work amongst males. Women who imagine sexual harrassment are just as much trouble as males who actually dish it out. Probably more trouble actually, because you can spot the harrasser and avoid him. But you can't see crazy charges coming until its too late.

The trouble with this type of allegation, is that as you point out, there is no way to defend against it. Given the right scenario, anything could potentially be construed as harassment by someone. And indeed, could actually be harassment. What it eventually comes down to is a he said/she said type of thing, in which the accused always loses. And frequently the only way to deal with this is termination. Either the accused, or if they are senior enough, the accuser, with a nice fat paycheck. The problem of course is, those of us who know people who have been accused of things like this, who know the details start to wonder whenever we hear of another example, if the accuser is just looking for a paycheck. Or perhaps trying to get someone fired. I've seen both happen where I work.

The only difference here is the media. If a democrat candidate is faced with this, they attack the women. If a republican candidate is faced with them, they suddenly discover their investigative duties and leave no accusation unturned.

Just imagine they had shown this zeal in investigating Obamas background.

Nail on the Head!!! Doesnt matter what the topic, subject or person, the media is the X Factor; + for DEMS & - for REPS!

Poor, poor Republican candidates, gettin' beaten up by that mean, mean media - so terrible that it publishes facts (and they are facts) and goes so far as to ask for elaboration. Imagine! - like it's even any of their business that Cain created an environment so hostile to women that several quit or thought of doing so!

Cry me a freakin' river, oh Party of Fastboating. At least the Democrats don't have to fabricate; they can just sit back and watch Republicans tear themselves to pieces. This will be fun, though I'll miss Cain when he's gone: He was, at least, entertaining.

Sorry - should have read "oh Party of Swiftboating." Funny how most words coined to describe political despicability originate with the Republicans.

The employee described in conversations with the AP over several days situations in which she said Cain told her that he had confided to colleagues how attractive she was

He paid compliments about her to his colleagues without her knowledge and then told her that he did at a later time? This is it?? Well at least it took several days of intense grilling by A.P to get that juicy morsel out.

I'm glad the U.S. media is giving more airtime to Cain's alleged misdeeds with a few women a decade or so ago rather than highlighting the fact that he was until this week completely unaware that China has possessed nuclear weapons for the last 5 decades.

"In an interview with Forbes, Cain said he believes a consultant to Texas Gov. Rick Perry, one of his GOP rivals, gave information about the allegations to Politico for the original report."

Well well well... and weren't Moliner and WilliB screaming about Democratic plotting just yesterday while I stated it was far more likely to be a GOP rival?

How's that crow taste, fellas?

Well, that's a funny thing, Sushi. See, Cain first said he had no recollection whatever of the allegations; 36 hours later, he suddenly clearly remembered discussing them with Curt Anderson, his campaign manager while he was running for U.S. Senate from Georgia in 2003. Anderson now works for the Perry campaign. So in effect, he doesn't remember the incidents themselves; he just remembers describing them to a third party.

So perhaps he did know that China has had nuclear weapons for quite some time but didn't know directly; perhaps he just remembered describing to someone how China had nuclear weapons, not that China had nuclear weapons itself.

Someday "Cain" may well become a verb, and a strange, strange meaning it will denote.

Seriously, I'm loving this! The GOP presidential candidates are killing themselves while the rest of us are killing ourselves laughing watching them do it.

When the smoke finally clears, I'm betting there'll be....no one, nothing left standing on the GOP side except Mitt Romney's smoke-filled wig. :-)

Heh, so all the conservatives that recently had DSK judged and hanged before his arraignment are going to cry "honey-trap" and claim the alleged victims were just in it for the money. Some in fact already are. Heh, it's too much.

See, Cain first said he had no recollection whatever of the allegations; 36 hours later, he suddenly clearly remembered discussing them with Curt Anderson, his campaign manager while he was running for U.S. Senate from Georgia in 2003. Anderson now works for the Perry campaign. So in effect, he doesn't remember the incidents themselves; he just remembers describing them to a third party.

Actually if one can put their personal politics aside and not act like usefull partisan hacks to repeat the smears just to score political points the actual allegations made against Mr. Cain 11 or 12 years ago are pretty lame and trivial. We aren't talking anything really than someones elses perception as to what constituted bad or unwanted behavior on his part while at the NRA. Following Mr. Cain these past months it should be obvious to anyone that he is a very outgoing human being who is not afraid to have fun and lighten things up. The recent you tube video of him while he was CEO at Godfathers in Nebraska showing him singing a parody to John Lennon's "Imagine" as in "Imagine there is no Pizza" to the local Business Chamber of Commerce dinner in Omaha. To almost every article I've read that have folks go on the record with their actual names who have ever worked for him male and female, even the original Politico one that started this whole thing have nothing but praise and kind words for the man. I also noted that he never had a complaint ever at anyone of his many positions in his corporate life except at the NRA. This is just my opinion though I believe this to be true and the whole underlying premise behind all of this occurring at the NRA and only his stint at the NRA is this. When he became head of the NRA in Washington D.C he brought his Godfather's style of management with him. Personable, funny and a bit over the top. Many of the stuff shirts types that live and work in the beltway and at the NRA at the time weren't able to adjust to his style and felt "uncomfortable" with his management style, after all the man is prone to start singing when he wants to lighten things up. It would not be beyond the realm of possibility or even more likely that in fact he did think his behavior there and any compliants lodged were so trivial that he wouldn't remember them in detail 11 or 12 years later. I think the same Mr. Cain that we are seeing on the campaign trial is the same Mr. Cain that headed the NRA in his core personality. Some folks really like him and some folks well they are complaining also about his campaign behavior (he made an Ad of a guy smoking!...the horror).

I cant stand how they go back in time to 15 and 20 years ago and try to apply TODAY's standards to something that happened back then.Back when he supposedly did this, asking a woman back to your apartment was how you hooked up or found out you weren't gonna hook up. It wasn't sexual harassment, it was how you either failed or succeeded in getting laid. Now you get with sexual harassment without even doing anything sexual. (what did he actually DO that was bad? just asked her back to his place which she could decline and which she did)

Just imagine they had shown this zeal in investigating Obamas background.

Come on now, if the media wasn't in the tank for the loons, no one would ever vote for a Dem, and where would be the fun in politics then?

Well well well... and weren't Moliner and WilliB screaming about Democratic plotting just yesterday while I stated it was far more likely to be a GOP rival?

All I can say is, that the story becomes more interesting all the time. Particularly as its now being suggested that Rahmbo himself might have been involved. So now we have links to Perry, to Romney, and to the Dems attack dog in chief. The Godfather Rahm Emmanuel.

Cry me a freakin' river, oh Party of Fastboating. At least the Democrats don't have to fabricate; they can just sit back and watch Republicans tear themselves to pieces.

Sorry, this made me laugh. The party of lies and hypocrisy saying this? So funny.

Heh, so all the conservatives that recently had DSK judged and hanged before his arraignment are going to cry "honey-trap" and claim the alleged victims were just in it for the money. Some in fact already are. Heh, it's too much.

Wait, conservatives did that? Methinks you forget where it all took place. New York is owned almost entirely by Libs. And while I don't doubt there were those who prejudged him on both sides, the attacks against him were primarily made by those same libs. Guess this kind of reaction is pretty typical. A loon says or does something moronic, then blames conservatives for their actions.

Molenir: "the attacks against him were primarily made by those same libs."

Here we go again. Apparently it only takes a few minutes to forget how wrong you've been for days (if not for life). And when it comes to light that it was in fact other GOP rivals Molenir will find ways to blame it on the Democrats.

Seriously, I'm loving this!

Sushisake must imagine himself as an American 'progressive' of some sort. Nothing seems to thrill them these days more than the high tech lynching of a black American who has dared to leave the Plantation - and wants to help others do the same. Can't have that! What would Dems do without their demagoguery, race-baiting and perpetual grievance mongering? They'd actually have to address the issues. That would mean doing so with facts, with reason and clarity.

Heh, so all the conservatives that recently had DSK judged and hanged before his arraignment are going to cry "honey-trap" and claim the alleged victims were just in it for the money. Some in fact already are. Heh, it's too much.

Hilarious. This guy apparently thinks New York is some kind of Repub stronghold, where the folks all have it out for 'socialists'. Too funny. I bet he thinks Obama is the one who has had the authentic Black American experience and Cain is the gilded, affirmative action fraud, a product of machine politics who has zero executive experience.

Nothing seems to thrill them these days more than the high tech lynching of a black American who has dared to leave the Plantation - and wants to help others do the same. Can't have that! What would Dems do without their demagoguery, race-baiting and perpetual grievance mongering? They'd actually have to address the issues. That would mean doing so with facts, with reason and clarity.

There was nothing high-tech about this, and it was not lynching: facts regarding Cain's previous managerial practices came to light, and he was questioned about it. No more, no less. Do not bring the Democrats into it; it would be in their best interest to maintain a strong Cain through the primaries - bringing him down now would be like taking out Iraq to spite Iran; e.g., crazily counterproductive. And please, let's let off with this "off the plantation" business: Racist dogwhistles are loud enough without boldly proclaiming that blacks who vote Democrat only do so because they are not able to think.

I agree somewhat with Sailwind, which you'd understand if you'd read my previous posts: the incidents themselves are a tempest in a teacup - they happened long ago and are not of a particularly serious nature. It is the attempted coverup that has doomed Cain. And if he's allowed himself to be taken down so easily, he really does not deserve to be president. Survival is a great part of the nature of the position.

I would like you all to know that I was harrassed by Cain. Where do I sign up for $$$$?!

unreconstructed: "Nothing seems to thrill them these days more than the high tech lynching of a black American who has dared to leave the Plantation - and wants to help others do the same."

Clearly, unreconstructed, what sushisake is talking about is how the GOP morons are destroying each other, not a 'black man getting off the plantation', as you put it. The smear campaign tactics that Republicans always end up depending on are getting downright hilarious.

We aren't talking anything really than someones elses perception as to what constituted bad or unwanted behavior on his part while at the NRA.

Ya just don't get it, do you?

We're talking about a lot more here: Mainly Cain's twisting and turning and his overall inability to properly communicate and otherwise handle this situation. Every step of the way, he has looked ever more creepy and untrustworthy.

the high tech lynching of a black American who has dared to leave the Plantation

"Our blacks are better than their blacks." -- Ann Coulter

The 40 years climbing the corporate ladder speaks by itself! Lol. That means he screwed many woman on working his way to the top.

“He has never acted in the way alleged by inside-the-Beltway media, and his distinguished record over 40 years spent climbing the corporate ladder speaks for itself.”

Senator Harry Reid begs to differ ! -- Barack Obama is well suited to be president because,well, he is a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Ah, Reid is saying that Obama could pick up some conservative votes since he appears more like the "good ones" that Coulter refers to.

The bus that Cain is about to get thrown under has G.O.P. written all over it. (Built in Canada, too. Just like the "Straight-Talk Express!)

Being one of the conservatives' "better blacks" just didn't cut it for him. (Thank you, Ann Coulter.)

unreconstructed - "Sushisake must imagine himself as an American 'progressive' of some sort. Nothing seems to thrill them these days more than the high tech lynching of a black American who has dared to leave the Plantation - and wants to help others do the same. Can't have that! What would Dems do without their demagoguery, race-baiting and perpetual grievance mongering? They'd actually have to address the issues. That would mean doing so with facts, with reason and clarity.2

Excuse me, this is 2011, not 1950.

@yabits

We know you can't stand conservatives, nothing new here, but if you think that your president will be a shoe in win next year, you better take another look. The anti-Obama sentiment is growing and although the GOP are divided and some of them have gaffs do not think that the Dems are a United bunch (except when destroying the country), they are tighter than a can of sardines. Pelosi recently complained that her and Reid were often left out of serious WH conversations and that for the most part, Obama is mostly recently with Axelrod and leaving his fellow Dems out in the cold, trying to save his job. Politics have gotten ugly within the last decade, I just wan a strong leader to fix our country and sadly that person is not the current occupant in the WH! I know deep in your soul you can't possibly believe that this President has done his best. Cain is not perfect, there is a lot for home to learn, but to bring this up now about something that happened years ago is seriously over the top and we all know this is to discredit the man. So why should Cain be counted out. Why not do a background on all the candidates, my God, I can assure you every single one has a bone they would cough up out of their closets. If they want to make this relevant, then they should make it fair across the board and dig the dirt on all the candidates instead of singling out Cain, but the liberal media is eating this up, because to see a black conservtive, nope, we can't have that now can we?

bass4unk - "but the liberal media is eating this up, because to see a black conservtive, nope, we can't have that now can we?"

It's really sad to see conservatives time and time again bring up the race card. It's like they can't think up any other coherent argument but to bring up the lamest one in the book

Get over it. The Dems shows the world how to elect a man of color.

It seems to me that the only ones who are turning this Cain issue into one of race are conservatives who – deep down – simply cannot accept having a black president.

Actually, that would go a long way to explain their intense hatred of Obama.

Can conservatives see beyond the color of a person's skin? It would seem not.

Incredible in this day and age....

We know you can't stand conservatives, nothing new here

I can respect principled conservatives, like Jon Huntsman -- a highly popular former governor of one of the most conservative states in the union. It's liars, hypocrites and character assassins I can't stand -- and I can't tell those apart from many of today's modern conservatives and right-wingers.

but if you think that your president will be a shoe in win next year, you better take another look.

I think next year's race will be very tight. Which is why the conservatives are working overtime trying to make it as difficult as possible for young and lower-income people to vote.

Obama is mostly recently with Axelrod and leaving his fellow Dems out in the cold, trying to save his job.

Obama continually demonstrates he has what it takes to win people back over to his side. An all-too-rare quality.

I know deep in your soul you can't possibly believe that this President has done his best.

What I know is that the Republicans never accepted the results of the 2008 election and were on the president from Day One. I believe that President Obama has done his best, faced with some of the most difficult foreign and domestic problems in our nation's history. Problems mainly caused by the decisions and policies of the Republican and Democrat who preceded him. (Yes, Bill Clinton went too far along with the conservative penchant for deregulation.)

So why should Cain be counted out.

That's really for the Republicans to decide at this point. They have to find the best candidate they can to face an incumbent president who is a pretty tough campaigner. The anti-immigrant, anti-Hispanic rhetoric and proposals of the right-wing of the party have disaffected that crucial segment of the voting public. Actually, I believe the Republicans have an excellent chance of winning the White House if they could put up Huntsman and then stand behind him.

but the liberal media is eating this up, because to see a black conservtive, nope, we can't have that now can we?

Conservatives used to say that about Colin Powell. Until they were confronted with a black conservative who came out in support of Barack Obama.

She "was harrassed" back in the 1990s....but she didn't file anything back then? Why now.....I really "want to know" her motives...

She "was harrassed" back in the 1990s....but she didn't file anything back then? Why now.....I really "want to know" her motives...

She might have thought he was just a smarmy letch of a Restaurant Association head who wasn't going to get much higher in life, and decided that a confrontation and/or lawsuit wasn't worth the trouble.

ICBM: Because other Republican contenders released the information now to smear the man.

I agree somewhat with Sailwind, which you'd understand if you'd read my previous posts: the incidents themselves are a tempest in a teacup - they happened long ago and are not of a particularly serious nature. It is the attempted coverup that has doomed Cain. And if he's allowed himself to be taken down so easily, he really does not deserve to be president. Survival is a great part of the nature of the position.

Agreed and concur. Let's see how he will handle this further if he really is Presidential timber.

@sushi

Hardly, liberals are almost always evoking race for any and I mean ANY thing, if you don't pass this legislature, you are a bigot, if you disagree with Obama, you are a racist, but if you want to demonize Cain or more importantly, a black conservative, it's ok, then the rules don't apply to you because liberals are totally immune from all forms of racism. You guys are running out of excuses and me being a conservative, calling me a racist towards blacks is funny, if you only knew.....

The only difference here is the media. If a democrat candidate is faced with this, they attack the women.

Really? I call B.S. on that one. Did they attack the woman when John Edwards had his scandal? NO. You are making stuff up.

Did the media attack the woman when Gary Hart had his scandal? NO. Again, you are making stuff up.

Making stuff up is easy but it is also easily refuted.

Taka

bass4funk: "We know you can't stand conservatives, nothing new here, but if you think that your president will be a shoe in win next year, you better take another look."

Take another look at.... whom? A serial woman assaulter? A man who takes people hunting at his land, which is called "Ni$$erhead"? Should we be taking a better look at ultra-right Christians like Romney, who alienate his own nationals with his religious views? I guess we can't look at some of the female candidates anymore after their disastrous campaign attempts and witchcraft or what have you. Will it be a shoe-in victory for Obama again next year? given how things are going now with the GOP candidates, absolutely. People may be disillusioned with Obama given that the party of 'no' has blocked him every step of the way, but while voters will be united on Obama they'll be torn with whatever of the GOP fools is chosen to represent the shattered party.

The only difference here is the media. If a democrat candidate is faced with this, they attack the women.

Really? I call B.S. on that one. Did they attack the woman when John Edwards had his scandal? NO. You are making stuff up.

Did the media attack the woman when Gary Hart had his scandal? NO. Again, you are making stuff up.

Taka, The media that called them out first was the National Enquirer, they seem to have a lack of stories on Mr. Cain.

Yabits - "What I know is that the Republicans never accepted the results of the 2008 election and were on the president from Day One. I believe that President Obama has done his best, faced with some of the most difficult foreign and domestic problems in our nation's history. Problems mainly caused by the decisions and policies of the Republican and Democrat who preceded him."

I agree.

What really baffles me is how people can continue to support these Republicans when they've made it clear over and over again that their main goal isn't to create jobs, isn't to fix healthcare, isn't to to fix education, isn't to fight terrorism.

No, their main goals are to make President Obama a "one-term president" and to rob the have-nots to give to the haves.

They sit in congress and rail against the president for hurting the people and wasteful spending yet for 8 years they had no problem funding a war in Iraq that was not necessary meanwhile getting 5,000 of our men and women in uniform killed for no reason.

And what about the tax breaks for the "job creators" that are supposed to help big companies create jobs? Well, they created jobs, in India, Asia, and everywhere else but in America. In fact, America was losing 750,000 jobs a month under Bush until America gave him the boot and vted Obama in.

The Republicans rail against against Obama for attacking businesses and stifling them with regulation, of course ignoring the fact that deregulation is one of the reasons America is in the economic mess it is in now. You can't just let big companies run wild and do whatever they want because as they've shown, they will abuse it.

She "was harrassed" back in the 1990s....but she didn't file anything back then? Why now.....I really "want to know" her motives...

ICBM, you don't seem to understand what is going on. The women in question did not raise this history; it was raised by some leak to Politico. The women in question do not seek anything; it is a fact that one was paid a year's severance long ago - long ago. The women in question thus far do not even want to be identified; ironically, the confidentiality agreements that accompanied two of their terminations also prevent the NRA from identifying them.

Get your head on straight, man. This is not a take-down by these women. These women are not seeking anything. They did not initiate this. They do not even want to be identified. They most likely wish it had never happened. All this is is an exposure of established history.

SmithinJapan - " I guess we can't look at some of the female candidates anymore after their disastrous campaign attempts and witchcraft..."

LOL! I forgot about her. Was that Sharon Angle? And there were actually thousands of conservatives who supported her.

Unreal.

SmithinJapan - "Will it be a shoe-in victory for Obama again next year? given how things are going now with the GOP candidates, absolutely. People may be disillusioned with Obama given that the party of 'no' has blocked him every step of the way, but while voters will be united on Obama they'll be torn with whatever of the GOP fools is chosen to represent the shattered party."

Funny thing is, Obama is benefitting hugely by having no opposition. Meanwhile the GOP candidates are attacking each other and being attacked by Right Wing talkshow hosts, conservatives and their own kingpins.

Must be tough being a conservative politician when you're being smashed on all sides by people who are supposed to be on your side.

For that, I think Americans must give thanks to the Tea Party for splintering the right and making an extreme party even more extreme and what were formerly electable policies to be seen as unsupportable.

I think if Sarah Palin joined the competition at this stage, liberal heads would begin exploding all over at the total hilarity of it all. :-)

OMG, watching the Right implode is awesome. :-)

Cain doesn't need this aggravation.

Serrano - it's a bit late, considering Cain himsel appears to bebehind it all.

Sushi, ever hear of the expression "Appearances can be deceiving"?

Serrano, yes, I have.

And your point is?

I can respect principled conservatives, like Jon Huntsman -- a highly popular former governor of one of the most conservative states in the union.

Whose fluency in Mandarin - a big selling point for progs - is a lie. Slate took a look:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2011/10/is_jon _huntsman_fluent

Sushi, are you saying it's not possible that Cain never sexually harrassed these women?

At least admit that you have no proof that he did.

Cain doesn't need this aggravation.

There, serrano, you've hit the nail on the head. The Cain campaign was never about becoming president; it was about raising his status so that he could market himself. This seems to be some unique right-wing thing - A person seemingly embodies something desired by a segment of the populace, and then milks it in books, personal appearances, and TV anchor slots for years to come. Gingrich, Palin, Trump - Cain is part of their ilk.

What is ironic is that Cain has blown it all now. His mystique as a successful if down-to-earth businessman with answers to questions that work has been blown, and thus his whole strategy of turning from candidate to conservative pop star has also vanished.

In the immortal words of Willy Wonka: "Nothing! You get nothing!"

unreconstructed, nice to see that at least some conservatives can be half civil after getting a verbal beat-down. :-)

Try and stay on topic old lad. Here's a hint, it isn't John Hunstman.

I can respect principled conservatives, like Jon Huntsman -- a highly popular former governor of one of the most conservative states in the union.

Heh, Huntsman is far, far from being conservative. Nor is he particularly principled. When Obama and the Dems swept into power, he began supporting Cap and Tax. He accepted Porkulus money over the vehement objections of his state. Give it up Yabits, Huntsman is unelectable, by both his words and actions. Were he to run for Governor of Utah again, he wouldn't even make it out of the gate. He knows it as well as everyone else.

Give it up, will you? It's attitudes like yours that are dragging America down and have been for years.

It amuses me to hear libs come out with lines like this. Essentially he has said, if you don't agree with him, then you are dragging America down. However what he stands for is a cradle to grave nanny state. And since most Americans disagree with him, by his own words he is saying that most Americans are dragging down the country. Sad and Pathetic, typical lib.

Heh, 3 thumbs down and not on rebuke for my earlier post. Yup, there's a lot of people that can't defend Mr Cain after their views on DSK!

Serrano - "Sushi, are you saying it's not possible that Cain never sexually harrassed these women? At least admit that you have no proof that he did."

Are you sure you're replying to the right person's post??

Molenir - "Give it up Yabits, Huntsman is unelectable."

Heh, finally, possibly the first conservative on JT to realize the ugly truth - that it's all over for the GOP even before it starts.

I'll give you that one. Smart you are. :-)

bass4funk: " You guys are running out of excuses and me being a conservative, calling me a racist towards blacks is funny, if you only knew....."

Umm... the only people I've heard crying the race card on this thread are the GOP fans who can't retort to logical arguments for the life of them.

Molenir: "Sad and Pathetic, typical lib."

And theeeeeeere's Molenir! Once again forgetting that this is a thread about a GOP candidate being smeared by other equally pathetic GOP candidates and trying to somehow blame this on Obama.

Sushi: "Are you sure you're replying to the right person's post??"

Clearly Serrano has spun his own argument so much it's gone 360 and he's merely making a comment he can spin 180 degrees again later. Watching these candidates tear each other to shreds is indeed comical. Watching their fans implode and try to spin things is equally as funny.

Um, Sushi, when you say, "It's a bit late, considering Cain himself appears to be behind it all," you appear to believe Cain is guilty, no? So you're NOT saying it's not possible he's innocent?

bass4funk: "This is exactly my point that I have been telling liberals for years to do just that! "

The "I'm rubber you're glue..." response stopped being effective at about six years of age, in the school yard. And 'ants diving off cliffs'? that doesn't even make sense -- physics-wise or otherwise.

Laguna @11:45pm - That's some imagination you've got there!

Serrano - "So you're NOT saying it's not possible he's innocent?"

No, what I'm not saying is that I'm not saying that he might not be guilty.

Um, Sushi, when you say, "It's a bit late, considering Cain himself appears to be behind it all," you appear to believe Cain is guilty, no? So you're NOT saying it's not possible he's innocent?

I know it's difficult to keep up with allegations as they accumulate, but please clarify: are you discussing Cain's culpability towards harassment, or his culpability towards exposing this harassment? The former is a matter of record, unless you believe the NRA would simply pay a staffer a year's severance just for the heck of it. The latter - well, c'mon, use your imagination!

Laguna, sorry pal, you lost me like Serrano did.

I read that a Chris Wilson from OK City was behind the 3rd women. He is a well known supporter of Rick Perry.

There you go, Yuri! Not at all Obama, is he? Some will try to suggest he is, though.

I thought this was An Evil Liberal Plot?

You mean it's not???? :-)

Unreconstructed has four posts on a thread about Herman Cain in which he complains about the left but fails to even mention Herman Cain in a single one of them.

Anyone else think he may be a little fixated?

Taka

smithinjapan, mine really likes him! I did hear him on TV and he seems an intelligent person and does not need a teleprompter. My guess is members of his own Republican party are worried and have made this all up or used a minor incident to discredit him. You are right he is not like President Obama.

I thought this was An Evil Liberal Plot?

Who knows. At this point, it there are links to 3 campaigns. Obamas, Perry's, and Romneys. All of them could be guilty of this to some extent.

So, now there are 5 accusations.

False accusations of sexual harrasment are pretty easy to make (and it's usually easier just to settle rather than to fight them)... but 5?

Things aren't looking good for Herman at this point.

Triumvere and not one of their names is known. Slander the threat to Romney and Perry and they can get on with their fight. It would not surprise me if these "women" have not just received large amounts of money.

Sushi: "No, what I'm not saying is that I'm not saying that he might not be guilty."

Translation into normal English - Cain might be innocent.

Is that really what you're trying to say, Sushi? Just a yes or no will suffice, lol.

Triumvere and not one of their names is known.

Yuri, this isn't true. Taking just the first two cases - the ones that were settled - the names of both women are known... to Herman Cain and the NRA. Both women are under confidentiality agreements as part of their settlement. They apparently want to talk (according to their lawyers) but they can't unless Cain and the NRA release them from the confidentialiy agreements.

"They apparently want to talk"

Woman #1: He was standing right next to me and he put his hand up to his chin and he said, "You're the same height as my wife."

Woman #2: Why, the dirty ol' goat!

Did they attack the woman when John Edwards had his scandal? NO. You are making stuff up. Did the media attack the woman when Gary Hart had his scandal? NO.

Why would they attack the women? They were not working for the politicians at the time of the affairs. Sex is not automatically harrassment.

Your comparison is a non sequitur, Sailwind.

Nessie,

Really? I call B.S. on that one. Did they attack the woman when John Edwards had his scandal? NO. You are making stuff up.

Did the media attack the woman when Gary Hart had his scandal? NO. Again, you are making stuff up.

Those were Taka's quotes not mine. My response to them was,

Taka, The media that called them out first was the National Enquirer, they seem to have a lack of stories on Mr. Cain.

The point being made that our Main Stream Media at least in the past in United States usually doesn't go after gossip and leaves it to the Tabloids to publish innuendo and smears. Now our main stream media has sunk to the level of tabloids in publishing stories with anonymous sources that has even puts rags like the National Enquirer to shame.

Just for the record this is about the most boring sex scandal I have ever seen. I mean really a compliant filed against a boss by a female in a corporate office that was duly handled by their procedures and their HR department 12 years ago is the best our main stream media can do to bring down a politician or public figure they don't like?

Shoot, I still remember back in the days of Tammy Faye and Jim Baker, at least that guy payed actual under the table hush money to Jessica Hahn. Clinton well we all know about that one.

I think some folks might be on the right track here. Cain isn't ready for the big leagues yet at all in the scandal department, heck he can't even get a woman to come to his apartment for goodness sakes to see his private etchings but darn it seems it is sure is worth reporting on though.

I mean really a compliant filed against a boss by a female in a corporate office that was duly handled by their procedures and their HR department 12 years ago is the best our main stream media can do to bring down a politician or public figure they don't like?

There are three women involved. Two of whom were paid off. Certainly smoke, if not fire (yet).

Now our main stream media has sunk to the level of tabloids in publishing stories with anonymous sources that has even puts rags like the National Enquirer to shame.

Do you think the AP is making it up?

PS to Sailwind - I see now that the quotes were from Taka. They were not posted as you quoting him, so it looked like you were saying them. I want to acknowledge this here out of respect to you, while adding that you can see how it looks like you were making those statements.

Nessie,

Do you think the AP is making it up?

Not at all. I think A.P and the mainstream media overall journalistic standards have sunk so low over the past years that a large part of the general public itself has lost a lot of respect for what once was a very honorable profession. For example this article starts off with a woman who thought about filing a complaint but did not after all. I understand the desire of the Media to dig anywhere they can to bolster the dirt after Politico started the ball rolling though and that is what gives the A.P cover to call this newsworthy. But in effect A.P and others like it will now just be conduits for anyone in Mr. Cain's past to air their complaints or grudges over the years as the bar has been set so low by the Media that any body with a grudge can be assured they can do under the cover of anonymity. That is what I mean by the lowering of journalistic standards down to the tabloid level. I also think Mr. Cain has just learned a very hard lesson about our media and since he is not really a politician and doesn't have those slick answers down when confronted with the "ever had a sexual harrassment suit?" questions thrown at him, (he didn't it was an internal compliant that was found to have no basis) that was only asked to try get him on the record prior to Politico publishing. That is what has hurt him. This whole thing would have been a big nothing if he had just responded "No I have not but there was an allegation of it on my part during my time as head of the NRA back in 1997 that was resolved years ago." And that would have been that. I really do not think this will hurt him in the long run though. The media does not have the sterling reputation it once had with the general American public after the way they covered the last two election cycles and the general public has responded in kind to their coverage of Mr. Cain by giving the Cain campaign the largest amount of cash donations it has received since this story broke and the latest poll after the story came out shows him still climbing as the number one choice.

Cain is claiming Perry camp released the information on the sexual harassment. The Perry camp is now saying the Romney camp released the information. And the Romney camp is connected to the knee bone.

The only way this could get better, is by sarah palin chiming in.

Taka

Compare the following:

This whole thing would have been a big nothing if he had just responded "No I have not but there was an allegation of it on my part during my time..."

With

He said he was only aware of one allegation.

There is a profound difference between asserting there was AN (as in: only one) allegation and saying "I am aware of only one." A profound difference, and everyone knows it. Had Cain initial came out and told the "truth" as you put it in your latest post, it would have sounded like this: "No, I have not, but I am aware of one allegation of improper behavior." (Which is exactly how a liar would answer -- with partial truths.)

Ok, Mr. Cain, tell us about it. Only one? You sure? Oh, you can't remember any others, and so we'll have to check to see just how accurate your memory is about this. What's that? You say that you forced yourself to forget about any of the other potential instances with women who may have been able to make allegations? Well isn't that convenient?

Tell you what, Mr. Cain. We're going to give you over a week before we run with this story. (During that time, you may want to contact anyone you may need to at NRA to help you get the facts about what allegedly occurred absolutely as straight as possible. And we'll get back to you again on this.) Someone who wanted to show they were being honest and forthright would have taken every advantage of that lead time to come out with something better than, "I was aware of one allegation" -- which, although not a reflection of the actual reality, was far better than what Cain initially said, but is still not honest.

The rank dishonesty and hypocrisy here is that Cain himself, if he was a decent CEO, would have never accepted the kind of lack of candor he himself displays from an applicant to an executive position in his company. And his defenders prove they are of the same, sorry ilk. When people who act in a fundamentally dishonest way dare to accuse journalism of coming down to their level, it just makes me laugh.

During that time, you may want to contact anyone you may need to at NRA to help you get the facts about what allegedly occurred absolutely as straight as possible.

The problem for Cain -- and he knows it -- is that if he contacted folks at NRA to check the records, he certainly would have learned that there was more than one allegation against him. He wouldn't have been able to assume the "ignorant liar's" stance of saying he was aware of only one.

"I did not, but I am aware of two allegations that resulted in women having to receive payments for my alleged misconduct, rather than choosing to defend my character twice in a court of law," starts to sound pretty bad.

Politico has run 90 stories in 5 days about Cain. it seems like a lot, given that he stands accused of basically saying something someone didn't like, but I am sure Politico ran at least twice as many stories about John Edwards cheating on his dying wife and fathering a child with new age Phish groupie , Raelle Hunter.

Politico has run 90 stories in 5 days about Cain.

Gee, that's nearly on par with how many times Cain has changed his.

The political graveyard is fully integrated. There is plenty of room for Cain alongside Edwards, Packwood, Foley, et. al. Funny, I don't seem to recall liberals and Dems defending Edwards behavior the way conservatives defended Packwood's and now Cain's.

No 4th woman yet? Pathetic!

"that's nearly on par with how many times Cain has changed his"

Sure, yabits, just make up stuff and post it, sheesh.

Serrano: "Sure, yabits, just make up stuff and post it, sheesh."

Truth hurts, eh, my friend? The fact of the matter is yabits is correct -- Cain has changed his story a number of times.

To Cain himself: “What part of ‘no’ don’t people understand?”

Is this meant to be ironic, given what you're being accused of? :)

smith, Cain hasn't changed his story 9 times as yabits claimed, and are you sure Cain harrassed these women? There's no proof of this.

The fact of the matter is yabits is correct...

Cain hasn't changed his story 9 times as yabits claimed

The fact of the matter is I never gave a specific number of the times Cain changed his story. I said the number of updates given by one poster was on a par with Cain's story changes. serrano doesn't know what "on a par with" means.

First of all, I think in these days of the blogosphere and instant updating, putting out a number of 90 or whatever updates to the story is more an indication of Cain's miserable failure to control the story. Every less-than-accurate statement that Cain makes is going to be fact-checked with officials at NRA as well as the legal counsel for Cain's victims -- as well as with anyone who worked at NRA during Cain's tenure who may have witnessed his creepy behavior. (And there are one or two of those discovered thus far.)

Therefore, every misstatement or failure to "remember properly" is going to generate between five to ten updates as the stuff gets sifted out. This is how the internet handles stories like this today.

yabits: "I said the number of updates given by one poster was on a par with Cain's story changes"

Yeah, and since the number of updates was 9, you are insinuating that Cain changed his story 9 times. Don't you see that?

"Cain's miserable failure to control the story"

Yeah, as if Cain or anyone else could keep these ankle-biting poodles quiet.

"Cain's victims"

Any chance Cain is the victim here? Nah...

Yeah, and since the number of updates was 9, you are insinuating that Cain changed his story 9 times. Don't you see that?

Yes, I see how it could look like an insinuation to someone who did not grasp the meaning of "on a par with."

Yeah, as if Cain or anyone else could keep these ankle-biting poodles quiet.

Cain should have taken a lesson from President Obama. He handled the controversy surrounding his former pastor masterfully. Of course, President Obama is one of those inferior, non-conservative blacks that Coulter refers to.

Any chance Cain is the victim here?

Yes, he's a victim of himself. By choosing to have his organization pay off the women rather than take them to court, he himself created the murkiness and ambiguity that his defenders are now using to try to prop him up. If a person levels an untrue accusation of the degree of seriousness of the women's allegations, we will definitely meet in court and the accusing party will be looking at a defamation lawsuit on top of it.

If the NRA -- the organization that Cain headed -- would not defend Cain's reputation, honor, and good name, what is the basis for anyone else to do so in this matter?

One of these women said Cain sexually harrassed her in 1999. And this is only coming to light now, after several months of campaigning? What took Politico so long? And Bill Clinton must be hoarse by now.

"Yes, I could see how it could look like an insinuation to someone who did not grasp the meaning of "on a par with"

Gosh, I'm sorry, I thought "on a par with" meant about the same level", which in this case would be that Cain changed his story about 9 times, which isn't really even close, is it, yabits?

"He's a victim of himself"

You're confusing Herman Cain with Bill Clinton.

Gosh, I'm sorry, I thought "on a par with" meant about the same level", which in this case would be that Cain changed his story about 9 times, which isn't really even close, is it,

I have lost track of the number of times Cain's story has shifted. However, if a public figure makes a statement that generates 20 stories on average, then 100 stories would be on a par with five statements. Ratios can also express equality as in 20:1 is equal to 100:5. Only a fool would think that there would be a 1:1 ratio from a statement to a story, especially in today's blogosphere where updates come hourly.

One of these women said Cain sexually harrassed her in 1999. And this is only coming to light now, after several months of campaigning? What took Politico so long?

The questions themselves betray a lack of understanding of the world of adults.

You know why Obama is so well received? It's because he made it to the top without a white woman on his side.

Too bad such racists organization never figured this out. Women are a black man's kryptonite. Some the best and brightest African-Americans have all been brought down by a woman. I'm talking about men who were exceptional at what they did and yet somehow a woman sought out to undo them. Feel free to submit in anytime.

Mike Tyson - Destroyed Tiger Woods - Destroyed Kobe Bryant - Saved by DNA O.J Simpson - Idiot, Destroyed 15% of all NFL Players - Idiots, Easily Destroyed Marion Barry - Fool, Destroyed himself

I could go on but I suspect some of you will fill in the blanks.

They say that behind every great man is a great woman. This is true, just waiting to crush him. Where are these women? They are not even front and center. Stand up and be counted. Herman Cain is no mobster. I don't think they're worried about Herman Cain retaliating. I think they're more worried about those around them being disgusted that they would make false accusations to get paid.

For African-American men, the timing is almost always the same. When they are about to make that big step, the one that puts them at the top that the other crabs in the bucket see that you are almost out of the bucket. They pull you down. It can happen to anyone, even the best of men. it's legal slander that cannot be repaired and alters the course of your life. There must be some punitive measures that can be taken to protect men from such women.

Life truly is a game of chess. The opposition almost always using the Queen to checkmate the King.

@sailwind

This whole thing would have been a big nothing if he had just responded "No I have not but there was an allegation of it on my part during my time as head of the NRA back in 1997 that was resolved years ago."

Are you suggesting the media was out of line for wanting to know how it was "resolved" (with payoffs) years ago? Or should they just take Cain's word for it?

yabits @11:04pm - Ha ha ha! I'm laughing at the superior intellect.

yabits, what will you do if no proof arises that Cain ever sexually harrassed anyone? Pull your hair out?

If proof does arise, even if it was more than a decade ago, I will not support him.

yabits, what will you do if no proof arises that Cain ever sexually harrassed anyone?

There will never be any proof that Cain didn't make overtures of a sexual nature to women who worked for the organization he headed. He's already said that he was aware of at least one allegation made against him at the time.

Two women were paid off to buy their silence. I don't see how Cain can come off as presidential material after all that.

Will this "lady" have to pay back the money? She broke her part of the agreement. Can anyone check to see if someone is now giving her a large amount of money?

Now that they accuser(s) have come out of the woodwork it's 'Game On'. Right now it's 'he said she said'. Like with Bill Clinton however, it doesn't look good for Cain. He says he is innocent but let's get real, now that Bialek has come out from hiding and standing in front of the public stated that Cain put his hand up her dress and tried to pull her head towards his crotch, his reputation is done (unless for some reason she recants). This is politics and the accusation is enough for a conservative to be knocked off. Given the woman's track record of financial and legal troubles, it isn't out of the realm of possibilities that she is an opportunist that is hoping to secure a big payday by becoming the next Anita Hill. People will do just about anything for money. She knows that she can expect sympathetic treatment from the press.

As the accuser, she is just as much on trial as Cain is. She should have to prove what she did is true. But not in politics - that's just in court. Unless you are a Democrat (Clinton/Edwards), there has to be proof that you are innocent or else your political career is over. There is no presumption of innocence. The media hates Black conservatives and this just gives them the green light to pile on whether he is innocent or not.

The most obvious question that Sharon Bialek must answer is why she attend a very recent political rally where she was seen embracing Cain if she is still so angry by his actions over a decade ago? Conversely, why did Cain say recently that he didn't remember her? That's the part I don't get. Someone is lying based on more than just a 'he said she said' accusation. I wouldn't be surprised if these two had an affair and she is getting back at him for some reason. OK, not likely but I wouldn't be surprised.