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After mosque attacks, New Zealand quickly bans assault weapons

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I totally applaud this ban. Very good! Smart people in New Zealand elected smart politicians!!

I wish US does not have so many morons that elect useless incompetent politicians...

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This is how it's done 'Merica.

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I wish US does not have so many morons that elect useless incompetent politicians...

We have no more morons than any other country. And our politicians aren't incompetent either. They're corrupt.

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*You rock New Zealand!

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One of New Zealand's largest gun retailers, Hunting & Fishing New Zealand, said it supports "any government measure to permanently ban such weapons." Regardless of the ban, the company would no longer stock any assault-style firearms of any category and would also stop selling firearms online, he said.

Hats off to this business and all New Zealanders responsible for taking action.

New Zealand must not have a lobbying organization like the US's NRA which cares jack for public safety, only for increasing the profits of the guns and ammo industries.

New Zealand also must not have politicians who get huge sums of money from the guns and ammo industries.

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Getting rid of assault weapons seems to be a good idea.

Is there any reason for members of the public to own these weapons?

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These weapons should never be in public hands anyway, so well done NZ PM... America take note.

It's a small step towards a gun-free society, but a step in the right direction all the same.

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Every semi-automatic weapon used in the terrorist attack on Friday will be banned.

Good first step, but why not ban all semi-autos?

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New Zealand's reaction to this tragedy is what true leaders should do. Instead of thoughts and prayers, they are actually doing something to help curb the violence. A lesson our leaders should take heed of when they address this same issue here. New Zealand's leadership have shown true compassion and moral courage in their responses. 

I'm so envious, I wish we had a leader that would be this eloquent and classy. Instead we have the orange monster.

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@Jimizo

Is there any reason for members of the public to own these weapons?

If it is legal to own them, they want to own them, and only own them for defense, yes. And it's none of your business. If you don't want 'members of the public' to have firearms, don't live in the US or any of the other many countries that allow gun ownership. Not every country needs to have the same laws.

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Good first step, but why not ban all semi-autos

" Ardern's challenge was in striking a balance between the more lethal and MSSA weapons, and the types of shotguns popular among duckshooters and hunters, which the tide of public opinion could have easily swept into the list of guns that should be banned"

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111465391/jacinda-arderns-gun-reforms-needed-to-strike-a-delicate-balance--and-they-do

I think those mentioned in the above quote argue that semi autos are needed for some kinds of pest control, culls or hunting. Also, she needed cross party and popular support. NZ does have pro-gun groups.

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A true world leader, bound for villification by those who cannot lead, show bravery or dignity.

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Nobody needs to justify owning something that's legal to own.

Coincidentally a common argument made by slave owners.

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Agree with the assault weapon ban. Question is can NZ actually prevent crazies/terrorists from getting them illegally?

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Question is can NZ actually prevent crazies/terrorists from getting them illegally?

Australia has shown they can, at least greatly reduce the amount of massacre and gun violence. The main reason the Australian gunman choose Christchurch is Australians dont need a visas to live and work in NZ and viseversa and assault weapons have been banned in Australia since 1996, the gunman was able to get them legally in NZ .

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Ban guns and Ban the death penalty= Really dumb

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Its a good beginning but there’s still way to go. They have to define exactly what weapons are banned or ok, and there will be opposition, when more details of the law get known. I hope they are careful.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/21-03-2019/define-firearms-ban-carefully-to-defeat-gun-lobby-expert-warns/

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Founding father Benjamin Franklin once said, “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” 

Founder Thomas Jefferson added, “Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day.”

Amen

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New Zealand doesn't have a Second Amendment. Different country. It ain't never goin away.

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 If you don't want 'members of the public' to have firearms, don't live in the US 

Fine by me. But this happened in NZ and the PM has acted accordingly.

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Ban guns and Ban the death penalty= Really dumb

I won't get shot and I won't be executed for a crime I didn't commit. I can't complain about that.

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Good job NZ! Now only criminals in NZ will have semiautomatic weapons...

For what it is worth, the reason Americans generally support gun ownership is because we do not trust our government (think Trump), and of course we do not trust other governments either. There are also many Jewish and Armenian genocide survivors or ancestors of survivors in the US, and they know that disarming a population is the first step. The next world war could be right around the corner.

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@Reckless

Good job NZ! Now only criminals in NZ will have semiautomatic weapons...

For what it is worth, the reason Americans generally support gun ownership is because we do not trust our government (think Trump), and of course we do not trust other governments either. There are also many Jewish and Armenian genocide survivors or ancestors of survivors in the US, and they know that disarming a population is the first step. The next world war could be right around the corner.

That's right. And I keep telling gun-grabbers not all countries need to have the same laws. Seems those that are anti-gun are pro-government. So it's actually a pro vs anti-government issue.

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BTW, I live in Japan and enjoy not having guns around, and I don't try to change Japan's gun laws. BUT I also value the US's 2nd-Amendment. Different countries, different laws.

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That's right. And I keep telling gun-grabbers not all countries need to have the same laws. Seems those that are anti-gun are pro-government. So it's actually a pro vs anti-government issue.

I actually find the US Democratic Party's leadership in cities such as NY, SF and Chicago to be racist and paternalistic. They have passed strict gun laws in such large cities, and guess who live there? Blacks and other minorities. So blacks and other minorities who live in high crime and underpoliced big cities in the US will be severely punished if they own a firearm and carry it for self-protection. I can tell you based on many stories of blacks being targeted by racists (think Trump again), I would definitely consider carrying a firearm when I ventured into conservative areas.

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After mosque attacks, New Zealand quickly bans assault weapons

Okay, what's an assault weapon? Did this ban just say, "Okay, guys, no more assault weapons!" or did they spell out what they meant by "assault weapons"?

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Now only criminals in NZ will have semiautomatic weapons...

True, like Japan right? Not much gun violence here though. Comparing to america

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Bugle Boy,

Okay, what's an assault weapon? Did this ban just say, "Okay, guys, no more assault weapons!" or did they spell out what they meant by "assault weapons"?

"In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."[3] The origin of the term has been attributed to legislators, gun control groups, the media and the firearms industry.[1][4][5][6][7] It is sometimes conflated with the term "assault rifle", which refers to selective-fire military rifles that can fire in automatic or burst mode.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

But yeah, they got to define it propely.

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BTW, I live in Japan and enjoy not having guns around, ...... BUT I also value the US's 2nd-Amendment.

So you enjoy not having guns around in Japan, but value having guns around in the US? Does that mean that you enjoy Japan's lack of gun crime but don't mind it when you go home?

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Founding father Benjamin Franklin once said, “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” 

and yet many democratic countries that ban guns are considerable safer to live than in the US and their democracies arguably better represent their people. America's founding fathers may be all and end all for many Americans but their views certainly dont hold true for the many other democratic societies of the world. The world has changed considerably in the last 2~300yrs and many countries have adapted their constitutions and basic democratic principles as a result, many but not all.

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Actually, NZ has chosen to stand up to far right extremists and misinformationists. Their hatred will not divide.

I was thinking the same thing. But Left wing identitarianism and environmental extremists like the New Zealand shooter will continue to cause divisions until we all can begin to treat each other by the content of our character instead of by the color of our skin (or any other demographic grouping). In his manifesto the terrorist specifically stated that he did not support Trump but instead

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When you own a weapon and can defend yourself and your rights, you are a citizen. When you do not, you are a subject.

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When you own a weapon and can defend yourself and your rights, you are a citizen. When you do not, you are a subject.

Didn't bode well in America where gunshot deaths are a major killer. Running into the hundreds of thousands while here in Japan it's very difficult to own a gun, the number of gunshot deaths rates nearer to zero. So I guess better to be living subject than a death citizen.

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Hang your heads in shame, America -- you are now officially "The Country That Cannot Get Things Done."

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Criminals: "Oh, ok! We know we don't obey laws, but we'll totally comply with this one."

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Hang your heads in shame, America -- you are now officially "The Country That Cannot Get Things Done."

That statement has no basis in reality.

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Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot and countless other socialist and communist despots banned guns, before slaughtering 100 million of their own people.

Thinking criminals will obey laws is lunacy. It is the belief of irrational children.

Murder is illegal, but it didn't stop this subhuman from shooting up a Mosque.

All you do is disarm law-abiding people who want to protect themselves or their family.

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Good.

Someday we'll do the same in in my country.

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Criminals: "Oh, ok! We know we don't obey laws, but we'll totally comply with this one."

By your straw man logic no laws or punishments are effective as criminals aren't concerned by either.

All you do is disarm law-abiding people who want to protect themselves or their family.

Not all countries want America's murder rate or disregard for human life no matter how much you want a partner in misery.

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Founding father Benjamin Franklin once said, “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

I definitely agree with that.

Hang your heads in shame, America -- you are now officially "The Country That Cannot Get Things Done."

Never, no reason to. I keep mine high. Every country has their own rules. I love ours and others might like theirs and that’s all there is to it.

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The fact that he has some environmental leanings makes him no more left-wing than Hitler's vegetarianism did.

Ok, you missed the point I was trying to make that it isn’t easy to label people Right or Left because in reality human beings are more complex than simple answers can describe. Along with being an environmental nut the shooter also wants to ban guns. These are Leftists positions. In addition, the shooter is a racial identitarian, a point of view rejected by the Right and part of the mainstream Left. The difference being of course is that among the Left, Whites are on the bottom and for the shooter they are on top.

It is interesting that you mention Hitler because even though he was fascist, the core of fascism is within the modern Social Democrat Lefts’ playbook. Democratic socialism, racial identity politics and social policy, control by centralized experts, and heavy regulation on the private sector with the intention of utilizing private companies for the greater good of society.

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Ban all automatic and semi automatic weapons.

Ban all magazines with more than 10 bullets.

Ban them now.

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Ok, you missed the point I was trying to make that it isn’t easy to label people Right or Left because in reality human beings are more complex than simple answers can describe.

Then goes on to label people Left or Right. Everyone must be one or the other. You can't help yourself, can you?

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Then goes on to label people Left or Right. Everyone must be one or the other. You can't help yourself, can you?

Actually I used the commonly understood meaning of the words Left and Right and pointed out that the shooter didn’t fit neatly into either category. If by people you mean the shooter then yes, I did label him based on my understanding of how he labeled himself in his own manifesto. But I guess you couldn’t help asserting a non sequitor, could you?

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....Louis Farrakhan from the public

I don't recall any black mass shooters praising Louis Farrakhan like the NZ shooter. In fact I don't hear about him at all, except for Trump2AWhiteKKKWeThePeopleEvangelicalChristian people who obsess over Farrakhan and who think this NZ shooting was 100% Obama/Hillary's fault. Trump voters say that all mass shooting are the result of "Crooked Hillary"

I guess Farrakhan has a big mouth, but when blacks start mass shooting white evangelical Trump churches while referring to Farrakhan then I will start agreeing with you. Who cares what Farrakhan (who does not hold public office) is saying. But Trump (who is the leader of the world) is making people shoot other people like this NZ shooter.

PROOF

The 74-page dossier, which has been described by Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison as a "work of hate", hailed Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose".

(news source)

Proof that Trump promotes hate and his White evangelical Christian followers are listening and acting on it.

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How about the Bernie supporter who shot and wounded all those Republicans playing baseball a few years ago?

Didn't they have security? Sounds like it was security's fault if they could not even fight off a Bernie Liberal with a gun. They need better security people.

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But Left wing identitarianism and environmental extremists like the New Zealand shooter will continue to cause divisions 

The terrorist is a right wing white nationalist, though. Blaming the left is dishonest.

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It's sad that a debate of this importance focuses so much on the means and so little on the motivation, Human insanity instilled by ignorance and political manipulation.There are countries where many people own guns (e.g. Switzerland) and do not shoot each other. There are countries where people don't own guns and who find other means such as knife attacks against grammar schools or vehicle attacks against pedestrians or ... The gun debate is a red herring which obscures the real issue, very sick cultures who continually produce members pushed to the extreme edges of behavior by the fear and hatred induced in them by psychopaths seeking gain in power, wealth, position in their imagined hierarchy. It is not the guns, it is US. We hide behind "The Guns" as CAUSE (?) and no deficiency in the efficiency of gun, knife, rock to the head will stop the real causes until we look our own species wide cultural insanity in the face. But, that will be for the future archaeologists of some other species to do, I guess. We no longer have the cranial capacity for such self honesty.

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There were no so called assault weapons involved, there were semi auto rifles. An Assault weapon is a machine gun and are outlawed everywhere except for military and police. Anti gun people use the term to make semi auto rifles sound more menacing. Anyplace guns are outlawed the crime rate is higher. Except for some large Democrat run cities like New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Washington, D.C., and especially Chicago in the USA the crime rates are very low compared to most countries. Those are areas where most citizens are not armed to protect themselves.

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there were semi auto rifles.

OK, sorry, we stand corrected, he violently assaulted and killed a Mosque full of worshipers with a Rapid fire rifle that can hold many more bullets than a handgun whose bullets tear up the body much more than a handgun bullet. (reference by US trauma surgeons who are medical doctors).

Again, we apologize for calling them assault rifles. From now on they will be referred to as a:

Rapid fire rifle that can hold many more bullets than a handgun whose bullets tear up the body much more than a handgun bullet.

those are areas where most citizens are not armed to protect themselves.

How well did this work in the Orlando nighclub shooting? Because there were armed security there - REALLY!!. Maybe those armed security need to be armed with ASSAULT RIFLES to take on the Rapid fire rifle that can hold many more bullets than a handgun whose bullets tear up the body much more than a handgun bullet. that he possessed. Please do tell.

An Assault weapon is a machine gun and are outlawed everywhere except for military and police. 

Then these ASSAULT RIFLES should be legalized in order to fight against a Rapid fire rifle that can hold many more bullets than a handgun whose bullets tear up the body much more than a handgun bullet.

Don't you think? School teachers included?

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The terrorist is a right wing white nationalist, though. Blaming the left is dishonest.

Proof from the shooters own manifesto:

,“Conservatism is dead. Thank god. Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth.”

when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist.

He also condemns capitalism and states that his views are closest to communist China. Yet the Left is obsessed with tying this confused nut to Conservatives but especially Trump. What’s the point?

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