Thousands protest COVID mandates and restrictions in Ottawa

Exactly. Trudeau needs to be removed from office before he erodes our freedom any more than he already has.

Bronco

This is about Freedom and Canadians are taking their country back.

At what cost? Currently Canada have around 170 covid deaths a day, which is close to what is was in the initial outbreak. The vast majority of these deaths are among the unvaccinated.

Vaccine mandates and restrictions save lives.

Vaccine mandates and restrictions save lives

Ssssh, nothing is more important than our freedom!

@2020hingsights, you don't quote any proofs.

And as a 68-year-old fifth-generation Canadian who got Covid 18 months ago, and managed to stay out of the hospital, AND has since been vaxxed thrice, I doubt you have any relevant comment to make.

And just to make it plain - I hate wearing a mask and I hate being told I can't travel without mindless mandates like expensive compulsory tests before I come back home and the forced imprisonment, at my expense, that they call 'quarantine' or 'self-isolation'. I've lived alone for twenty years. I'm quarantined enough, thank you very much.

But I'm no sheep. Screw 'herd immunity'.

TrevorPeace

@2020hingsights, you don't quote any proofs.

Sure. Here you go:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?sc_lang=en

If you read the report, since you are 68 and boosted, an unvaccinated person is 23 times more likely of going to hospital and 28 times more likely to die of covid than you.

As the vaccine doesn't work as they tried to make us believe it would, the Canadian government must immediately withdraw all mandates and rules that discriminate against the unvaccinated, and Justin Trudeau must compensate them for the tens of thousands of dollars of lost because he prevented them from going to work.

Jay

As the vaccine doesn't work as they tried to make us believe it would, the Canadian government must immediately withdraw all mandates and rules that discriminate against the unvaccinated, and Justin Trudeau must compensate them for the tens of thousands of dollars of lost because he prevented them from going to work.

The vaccines clearly overwhelmingly work. Check out the report I posted above. Vaccine mandates and restrictions save lives.

they tried to make us believe it would

Once again the term 'they' is used, In this case, I assume 'they' is being used to refer to this individual's own personal and often imaginary demons. And 'us' is being used to refer to others in the poster's Q-type group, who also imagine similar demons.

Joseph Campbell wrote several books in which he talked about historical quests like The Odyssey in which the main character would go out looking for monsters and demons to slay, but in reality the heroes were slaying the monsters they imagined within themselves. Far rightists and other kooks slay the dragons and demons within yourself and stop putting those who do not share your delusions at further risk. For the religious, "Physician heal thyself' is another way to say it, and stop making others sick while spreading your venom.

Far rightists and other kooks slay the dragons and demons within yourself and stop putting those who do not share your delusions at further risk.

And even after that fantasy Lord of the Rings diatribe the people are unwavering and refuse to allow the government to continue with this madness, people are saying to the government, we did what we were told and you still give us more restrictions after 2 years? It’s enough! Doesn’t have anything to do with right or left or goblins, it has to do with taking away the rights and freedoms of the people.

For the religious, "Physician heal thyself' is another way to say it, and stop making others sick while spreading your venom.

Hmmm…Like I said, the ploy of pushing and limiting the rights of the people is coming to it’s much needed end.

Bronco

*If you read the report, since you are 68 and boosted, an unvaccinated person is 23 times more likely of going to hospital and 28 times more likely to die of covid than you.*

Check the date of the data.

They include all the deaths from the start of the pandemic.

Wrong. The dates are just the last year when the vaccine was available. It isn't from the start of the pandemic at all. The dates are December 14, 2020 to January 16, 2022.

Intentional manipulation of data to fit a narrative.

I'm not sure your manipulations were intentional. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Obese Canadians want to blame other people for their health problems. Forcing 6 year olds to get vaccinated to reduce the risk of a 45 year old who has lived an unhealthy lifestyle for 25 years is outrageous.

Trudeau has called people who have chosen not to get vaccinated racists. He has driven this wedge issue so far it may permanently create divisions that will not heal. He is a bad man.

A convoy of trucks, cars, and people supporting them all across Canada are converging and now surrounding the capital bldg in the city of Ottawa, where Trudeau & his family have escaped to another location.

He’s afraid to confront “the small fringe” that demand mandates end; and freedom to work, choose medical care, and live, resumes.

Bronco

The dates are December 14, 2020 to 

On December 14, 2020 everybody was unvaccinated, the vaccines weren’t available to the general public.

Why does the dataset start before the vaccines were released?

Let's check the report, shall we:

Since the COVID-19 vaccination program began on December 14, 2020 and up to January 16, 2022, a total of 11,500,870 individuals in Ontario have completed their primary vaccine series and 5,585,965 individuals have received their first booster dose. 

So that's why that particular date was chosen. It starts on the first day of the vaccine rollout.

I would encourage you to actually read the report. They have graphs that span the entire timeline that show the progress of the vaccine rollout. They even highlight the period of Omicron, so you can see the story there.

So Trudeau bugged out, he's not even in Ottawa anymore. The CBC actually stated that, he left this morning when it was clear the protest might end up being the biggest ever held anywhere, in any country.

They shut down the roads going into Ottawa to try to stifle the protest and as the drone flew around people had gotten out of cars on the highways for as far as the eye could see and walked in (live feed). I don't know how many cars don't even have a driver anymore. Those walking in from the highway were approaching in numbers so dense that even they looked like an ant swarm as they approached.

It’s seems illogical that people can fly without vaccination, but with a negative PCR test, but the truckers must be vaccinated to cross the border.

This is great to see. The international media has been trying to ignore it for days, but can't do it anymore. Now they're just trying to downplay the numbers to support Trudeau's lie about them being extremists. And, yep, the coward himself has bugged out of town.

I'd like to see the truckers and their supporters blockade Ottawa until the vaccine mandates are overturned and Trudeau is thrown out. Fingers crossed. The tide is turning, and a similar trucker convoy is assembling in Australia too.

A bunch of idiots who think that being loud somehow makes them special. Poor Canada is obviously facing some bleedover from the inanity happening south of their border. I have such a high image of Canadians, but I guess there will always be some losers in any group. These ones are just loud.

Canadians have overwhelmingly embraced the vaccines and done the right thing.

Not like they had a choice when their governments have coerced them into it.

A protest is not a 'threat against democracy'. It is a sign that democracy is working.

A bunch of idiots who think that being loud somehow makes them special.

Being quiet and submissive doesn’t either.

Poor Canada is obviously facing some bleedover from the inanity happening south of their border.

Why would it not. Even Canadians love freedom.

I have such a high image of Canadians, but I guess there will always be some losers in any group. These ones are just loud.

Yeah, I guess that statement sure showed them.

The sounds of honking horns echoed around Ottawa’s downtown core. A convoy of trucks and cars parked in around Parliament Hill with some parking on the grounds of the National War Memorial before police asked them to move.

They are noisy no doubt, but then barking dogs……

What is hilarious is that fake videos are being shared on social media claiming to show Canadian truckers whereas a lot of them are not even in Canada.

But then if they are right wing you don’t need to make any effort to fool them, they are already there halfway !!!

Whatever noise the rabid minority make cannot drown out the majority of Canadians who support the vaccination measures.

There are idiots everywhere so no surprise a minority of Canadians are in this stupid rally!!!

Peaceful protest is good, right?

Way of the road boys

Whatever noise the rabid minority make cannot drown out the majority of Canadians who support the vaccination measures.

Not so sure of that, if it were the resistance wouldn’t be growing the way it is.

There are idiots everywhere so no surprise a minority of Canadians are in this stupid rally!!!

The minority often have the loudest voices.

Not so sure of that, if it were the resistance wouldn’t be growing the way it is.

I am sure of that honorable sir, and the resistance is not growing.

The minority often have the loudest voices.

Except when they are racial minorities, then the right wing wants to silence them!!!!

When I read this about this group of morons, I'm ashamed to be a Canadian. But I know we have a very high vaccination rate in most of Canada. In British Columbia we are over 90% vaccinated. What this small group of idiots is doing is wildly unpopular.

But I know we have a very high vaccination rate in most of Canada.

And the virus is still ripping through the population. Beginning to see the problem?

Hello Viviane

Right on!

Some messed up folks we have on here that would help thumbs down this.

I am writing from Montréal,Quebec,Canada. It is good day today in Canada! I am against any kind of discrimination etcétéra…. It has been like this for 22 months, the politicians here have been using some words towards people that are very judgemental. Even though I miss my son who has been working in Japan for 4 years, I am grateful that he is in a country that don’t manipulate people’s mind and ❤️, be Kind ,love from Montréal,

Doesn’t have anything to do with right or left or goblins, it has to do with taking away the rights and freedoms of the people.

Indeed. It's about your freedom to infect yourself and others, then take up an ICU bed depriving people with similar serious medical conditions of health care...

I'm sure the anti-vaxers here are for freedom and FAIR PLAY - and would agree that if they became deathly sick from COVID, they wouldn't seek care at a hospital....

Your body, your choice, right?

If you have a medical or religious issue with the vaccine, fine, don't take it.

Otherwise you are just a selfish, belligerent prat. Look at the photos. Nary a mask to be seen.

The main reason this pandemic continues to spread is because of such people.

The main reason this pandemic continues to spread is because of such people

The CDC disagrees with you. Talk about misinformation.

As I write this the temperature in Ottawa is -17°C, dropping to -23°C by morning. Wind chill between -30°C to -35°C. Perhaps dancing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was their way of keeping warm.

Meanwhile 1000 people have died from COVID so far in January 2022. These right wingers are just going to spread it around even further and then demand their healthcare on top . I at least live in Ontario, where this is occurring.

Trudeau will come out of this stronger than ever because the right wing threatened his family and threatened all of us who got the vaccine. Their wallet is more important than public safety. Truckers literally had months to prepare and more did. This is a right wing minority that can't follow rules as is the case like the USA. Hence the Trump and Confederate flags at a Canadian rally.

Otherwise where is the protest on the USA border, where the actual vaccine requirement is issued?

We're stronger than this no matter their media coverage

1000 people died from COVID in Ontario so far in January 2022. These professional agitators are just milking the right wing media

These truckers are libertarian freedom fighters!

Sure, that's what they all say....until they say this;

Shortly before dying of Covid-19, a father in Los Angeles texted family members to express his regret over not getting vaccinated. Christian Cabrera, 40, tested positive for the coronavirus around Christmas. “I can’t breathe again,” he texted his brother, according to KTLA. “I really regret not getting my vaccine. If I can do it all over again I would do it in a heartbeat to save my life. I’m fighting for my life here and I wish I [had] gotten vaccinated.”

https://news.yahoo.com/father-dying-covid-regrets-not-230143683.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

And the virus is still ripping through the population. Beginning to see the problem?

Yes the the unvaccinated are spreading the virus!!!

Glad you see the light now!!!

the vaccinated simply want a mandate to force everyone to have to get what they got. So that they don’t feel stupid for being misled by the “get vaccinated you won’t get Covid” falsehoods.

do you notice “anti vaxxer” now includes vaccinated people who don’t support a mandate?

kind of like the guy who said a “breakthrough” case also includes unvaccinated people.

prionking

Canadians have overwhelmingly embraced the vaccines and done the right thing.

Not like they had a choice when their governments have coerced them into it.

This is an excellent argument for mandates and restrictions. People who would otherwise not have gotten vaccinated have and for some, that has saved their life.

The CDC disagrees with you. Talk about misinformation.

False. Here's what the CDC says, from their website, in plain English:

All currently approved or authorized COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective and reduce your risk of severe illness. Vaccination can reduce the spread of disease, which helps protect those who get vaccinated and the people around them.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/work.html

In short, the more people get vaccinated, the slower the virus will spread, the fewer people will die, the fewer new variants will pop up, the sooner we'll be done with the pandemic. I just can't believe how this doesn't sink in with some people.

But I know we have a very high vaccination rate in most of Canada.

So the idea was that Covid cases would decrease as vaccination rates went up. Should have been only 10% remaining who can get or transmit Covid if 90% are vaccinated.

no one expected vaccinated people to also be transmitting and getting Covid 2 years later. That makes vaccination rate useless as a measurement.

In short, the more people get vaccinated, the slower the virus will spread, 

then why do we have more cases now than ever? With the highest number of vaccinated ever?

and Fizzbit, regarding mask use, also from the CDC:

Masking is a critical public health tool to prevent the spread of COVID-19, and it is important to remember that any mask is better than no mask. 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s-0114-mask-protection-fit.html

A maskless, unvaccinated mob of "freedom fighters" is just plain irresponsible. People have a responsibility to each other, you know.

What percentage of unvaccinated unmasked people can get or transmit Covid? 100%

what percentage of vaccinated and boosted people wearing masks and face shields can get or transmit Covid? 100%

so here we are, nothing changed.

then why do we have more cases now than ever? With the highest number of vaccinated ever?

Because the virus has been around longer and new variants have come up. You're still on that same kick about "since vaccines are not 100% effective they are of no use". Believe me, if nobody had gotten the vaccine the world would be in an unbelievably worse condition.

Blacklabel

In short, the more people get vaccinated, the slower the virus will spread, 

then why do we have more cases now than ever? With the highest number of vaccinated ever?

It's not as if it's a mystery. We have a new variant. It's called Omicron. It spreads much more easily. That said, the above statement is still correct, the vaccine slows the spread and significantly reduces hospitalisations and deaths.

Sure, that's what they all say....until they say this;

Shortly before dying of Covid-19, a father in Los Angeles texted family members to express his regret over not getting vaccinated.

So what?

Very compassionate response....pretty much summarizes the entire anti-vax attitude towards public health..."It's only abut me"....

In any case, most of the se truckers are vaccinated; their argument is that vaccination should not be mandatory.

Really? Wonder why this was included in the article....

“I’m locked into my own country right now,” said Tom Pappin, an unvaccinated man who came from just outside Ottawa. “I can’t go on a holiday. I can’t go to a restaurant, I can’t go bowling. I can’t go to a movie. You know, these are things that it’s just gotten out of control.”

Can't go to a restaurant, bowling alley, or movie,,,,but definitely will go to the ICU...

How is the spread slower if omicron been around a shorter period of time and more people have it?

that’s called…..”faster”

What percentage of unvaccinated unmasked people can get or transmit Covid? 100% 

what percentage of vaccinated and boosted people wearing masks and face shields can get or transmit Covid? 100%

You're playing games with statistics here. It's misleading and in bad faith.

How about this? What percentage of drivers not wearing seatbelts can die in a crash? 100%. What percentage of drivers wearing seatbelts can die in a crash? 100%. Therefore, seatbelts are utterly useless and the government should not mandate their use.

People make all these untrue statements and then say “well it’s just because of omicron that makes my statement untrue”.

so why don’t you make a statement that includes omicron? As omicron IS Covid now. So what is a true statement that includes omicron?

“the vaccine works! Just not against omicron!” Well we are talking about omicron, right?

Therefore, seatbelts are utterly useless and the government should not mandate their use.

Absent you actually being in a car crash, seatbelts are useless. They don’t prevent a crash either.

Blacklabel

How is the spread slower if omicron been around a shorter period of time and more people have it?

Imagine how fast it would be, if people weren't vaccinated.

“the vaccine works! Just not against omicron!”

It does work against Omicron.

Bungle

Case in point: un-jabbed Sweden

Sweden un-jabbed? Sweden has a higher vaccination rate than the US or the UK.

Vaccine mandates and restrictions save lives.

No, they don't. Or are you willfully ignoring the fact that we now know more have died after being vaccinated than have not? Or are you just another whiny liberal who readily believes whatever the man on the TV tells you to?

Viva la choice!

So much hate and distrust of the COVID vaccines - all developed from that failed, worthless Operation Warp Speed experiment....

Trump says get vaccinated, Hannity says get vaccinated, Scalise says get vaccinated, Trump's former physician now Congressman Ronny Jackson says get vaccinated....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/growing-number-of-republicans-urge-vaccinations-amid-delta-surge/2021/07/20/52a06e9c-e999-11eb-8950-d73b3e93ff7f_story.html

Dem scion RFK Jr says the vaccine poison....

Looks like MAGA-world has found their new Messiah...

Bungle

There is scant evidence to prove that the vaccines are effective at anything other than increasing big pharma's shareholder dividends.

Incorrect. There is ample evidence that vaccinations are effective:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?sc_lang=en